Korea: Same problems, different solutions

[gaijinpunch]

Nowhere in the article do they mention Japan, but anyone that is familiar w/ the Juku fuck fest here (anyone w/ kids basically) will relate. Seems Korea is at least trying to do what Japan should have done 20 years ago.

On a wet Wednesday evening in Seoul, six government employees gather at the office to prepare for a late-night patrol. The mission is as simple as it is counterintuitive: to find children who are studying after 10 p.m. And stop them.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2094427,00.html#ixzz1f3iZZGa7

[Taro Toporific]

No dark sarcasm in the classroom.
Teachers, leave those kids alone.
Hey, Teacher, leave those kids alone!
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.


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[tone]

very nice link man. forgot how much of a nice jam that tune is

in all seriousness - it would be interesting to see how much of that juku crammed knowledge remains and is still useful. all that drilling in math and almost no one can write a line of code, fix a car, be a decent leader or planmaker. its like the number of people who studied an instrument compared to how many still enjoy playing music for fun

over here i just see a lot of modern servants, basically servicing their workplace masters. did it require cram school for that?

[Samurai_Jerk]

No dark sarcasm in the classroom.

I haven't done this at karaoke in a long time but I remember that back in the day every place has that line as "no dog sarcasm in the classroom".

Oh, and for the record ...

[gaijinpunch]

Haha -- WTF?
I just bought a Time on the god damn Newstand for $5 to read on a plane, and the article was available for free months before? Good job, internet!

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Haha -- WTF?
I just bought a Time on the god damn Newstand for $5 to read on a plane, and the article was available for free months before? Good job, internet!

You can at least console yourself by not having bought it in Japan, where (from unreliable memory), the stand price was 840 yen...

[6810]

very nice link man. forgot how much of a nice jam that tune is

in all seriousness - it would be interesting to see how much of that juku crammed knowledge remains and is still useful. all that drilling in math and almost no one can write a line of code, fix a car, be a decent leader or planmaker. its like the number of people who studied an instrument compared to how many still enjoy playing music for fun

over here i just see a lot of modern servants, basically servicing their workplace masters. did it require cram school for that?

Really? Japanese math scores routinely thrash the fuck out of Anglo countries... Can't fix a car but high level quality control has seen Toyota dominate... and as for leaders, well point me in the direction of a "good one" then?

And exactly how much of your schooling was/is useful? Outside of basic arithmetic and the odd encounter with pi, I haven't once, since graduation used any of the advanced math I learned at school... Hey, it takes all kinds, right?

[maraboutslim]

I figure the point of juku ain't learning: it's just to prove that the kid can "gaman" enough to finish high school and (after a four year break called college) go on to a life of suffering for japan inc.

[Russell]

Really? Japanese math scores routinely thrash the fuck out of Anglo countries... Can't fix a car but high level quality control has seen Toyota dominate... and as for leaders, well point me in the direction of a "good one" then?

And exactly how much of your schooling was/is useful? Outside of basic arithmetic and the odd encounter with pi, I haven't once, since graduation used any of the advanced math I learned at school... Hey, it takes all kinds, right?

The whole point of learning math at school is to teach systematic and logic thinking, as well as problem solving skills. The problem with Korean education (and I also think Japanese education) is that they teach the students a bag of tricks to solve problems, without the students necessarily understanding what is going on. That makes it more difficult for them to solve problems that require some innovative thinking.

[xenomorph42]

I figure the point of juku ain't learning: it's just to prove that the kid can "gaman" enough to finish high school and (after a four year break called college) go on to a life of suffering for japan inc.

Stupid system!

Kids studying at Jukus all night are studying shit that they should be studying throughout the day!:rolleyes:

[GomiGirl]

Stupid system!

Kids studying at Jukus all night are studying shit that they should be studying throughout the day!:rolleyes:

Totally agree. When I was at high school, I didn't have Juku but I did sports after school, or just hung out with friends and just was a kid.

Still managed to get into a great university and have done two undergrad degrees and a post-grad certificate.

Juku's are stoooopid. There is no way my kid will ever go to one.

[tone]

and its training them to just sit there and take arbitrary orders...

and so what if they kick americas ass at math tests - america is basically a 3rd world country. we have people living in literal and cultural poverty dragging those scores waaay down.

[IparryU]

Really? Japanese math scores routinely thrash the fuck out of Anglo countries... Can't fix a car but high level quality control has seen Toyota dominate... and as for leaders, well point me in the direction of a "good one" then?

And exactly how much of your schooling was/is useful? Outside of basic arithmetic and the odd encounter with pi, I haven't once, since graduation used any of the advanced math I learned at school... Hey, it takes all kinds, right?

My brother in law and father in law try to rag on 'mericans and math... then i ask them to go 2 against me with any math problem/logic/etc. and they cant come up with something to stump me... a waseda grad and a preparatory uni grad... BS.

Then they tried to call me out on history... epic fail on their side. First question was where Japanese people came from. I said the china area and my proof was that bruze on their ass when they were born. They said that there were people on the island of Japan before they came over. I said they came over from china... just like they (supposedly) went to america hence the Native Americans...

I may be wrong on the history part... but one thing that japanese people cannot do is debate. even if they are right, it is hard for them to prove themselves right...

I'm'erican... fuck off

[tone]

whats crazy about the history thing is - i read samurais were still chasing off and killing off Ainu or other indigenous people from Honshu as late as the 1800's

but you have a good point - the idea of lifelong learning. its like all these kids that study hard and play sports hard here, then many turn into squishy tv watching non athletic, barely thinking, non-difference makers.

of course many americans are fat and stupid - i know this. thats its own, related, issue.

[Coligny]

What are those "good at math" japanjin you be speaking of ? Maybe up to highschool level, anything where the job can also be made by a calculator. But In the internationnal list of statisticians, probabilist or even amateur mathematicians I don't see much japandjinz...

Beside, I don't remember having a single 'drone' math teachers (i mean, on those that were obliged to throttle down in order to teach us, not those who took the job for the vacations). They were all characters out of an Hemingway biography... 1 was also a painter, I don't remember seing her once with clean clothes or without random color spots in her hairs, always with a gigantic drawing notebook hidden somewhere near her desk. another one was always her hands burried in some clay project (she was into art nouveau big time) a 3rd one was paying for his tities bars addiction by playing the lottery with help of his statistics training...
Don't see that much with them japandjinz...

[IparryU]

What are those "good at math" japanjin you be speaking of ? Maybe up to highschool level, anything where the job can also be made by a calculator. But In the internationnal list of statisticians, probabilist or even amateur mathematicians I don't see much japandjinz...

Beside, I don't remember having a single 'drone' math teachers (i mean, on those that were obliged to throttle down in order to teach us, not those who took the job for the vacations). They were all characters out of an Hemingway biography... 1 was also a painter, I don't remember seing her once with clean clothes or without random color spots in her hairs, always with a gigantic drawing notebook hidden somewhere near her desk. another one was always her hands burried in some clay project (she was into art nouveau big time) a 3rd one was paying for his tities bars addiction by playing the lottery with help of his statistics training...
Don't see that much with them japandjinz...

when i went to school i was lucky and had some great math teachers... dont know why they quit their "real" job. rocket scientists, chief engineers, etc.

[Mike Oxlong]

I guess I'd be like learning chemistry from this guy...



We had hippies, alkies, burn-outs, and one or two out of the cast of Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

[Coligny]

Famous words from one of my chemistry teacher: Don't put too much of this in the test tube. It can be hazardous.

But in case you do so anyway, their is a nice little deflagration and you get a bit of smoke too.

The nurserie was always on alert during her lecture. (I think it was some acid against aluminum powder)

(her codename was 'facetious skunk' I don't think she ever took a shower... ever...)

[james]

when i went to school i was lucky and had some great math teachers... dont know why they quit their "real" job. rocket scientists, chief engineers, etc.

yeah, that boggles my mind, too. my grade 12/13 chem teacher was recruited by nasa or some such yet for some reason he preferred to spend his days teaching the likes of me and my cohort.

also, what is it with the piss-poor geography and basic astronomy abilities? i've taught 13 year olds who honestly didn't know that the sun was larger or hotter than the moon or why japan has four seasons.

[Samurai_Jerk]

People can talk all the shit they want about creativity or real world application of concepts but there is no denying that Koreans and Japanese (not to mention Taiwanese and Russians) are a lot better at math than at least your average American. When I was teaching at a test prep school in the States we would give practice tests for the GRE and GMAT that are actually harder than the real thing. The math part of those tests are pretty much made up of word problems and even so, people with a failry basic command of English would score in the 90th or higher percentile pretty regularly. We almost never saw that with the American students there.

Not to mention my friend's story about how shocked he was when he was an ALT attending a junior high undo kai and the English teachers were calculating team scores by hand using some kind of derivative formula. There's no way your average Spanish or French teacher at a US junior high could do that.

[Coligny]

Not to mention my friend's story about how shocked he was when he was an ALT attending a junior high undo kai and the English teachers were calculating team scores by hand using some kind of derivative formula. There's no way your average Spanish or French teacher at a US junior high could do that.

Bad luck for everyone... those same english teachers were also unable to hold a conversation at the grocery store in english...

[IparryU]

There's no way your average Spanish or French teacher at a US junior high could do that.

my spanish/french teacher could... she wasn't a yank

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I admire the fuck out of anybody who can do math...I'm utterly fucked once you get into double figures. Still managed to get a postgraduate degree from the University of Tokyo, though....

[Coligny]

I admire the fuck out of anybody who can do math...

Me, i'm also a bit scared... like with people who eat oysters in fact...

[plaid_knight]

I think the flat salaries are not making it easy to have a girlfriend or get married. Wages are low, and expectations are way too high. I won't get into people being bitter because that's a different topic altogether.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I think the flat salaries are not making it easy to have a girlfriend or get married. Wages are low, and expectations are way too high. I won't get into people being bitter because that's a different topic altogether.

WTF are you talking about?

[plaid_knight]

I responded to the wrong thread. My bad.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I responded to the wrong thread. My bad.

No worries, mate. I was on your wavelength and knew exactly what you were talking about.

[Buraku]

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