Japan plans its defense against China

[Taro Toporific]

As this picture below shows, Japan is looking at its China defense plans.

Japan maps plan to defend southern islands against military attack
Channelnewsasia.com, 16 January 2005 1449 hrs
TOKYO : Japan has mapped out a plan to defend a chain of its southernmost islands in the East China Sea against invasion amid rising security concerns about China....The plan calls for the dispatch of 55,000 troops as well as warplanes, destroyers and submarines from Japan's main islands in the event of an attack on Okinawa and other remote islands...more...

[Marked Trail]

Meanwhile, after North Korea lobbed has
ballistic missile At it in 1998, Japan now wants to intercept
ballistic missiles targeting Japan and not any of its friends.
See:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/126534/1/.html
(With friends like this, who needs enemies?)

[Samurai_Jerk]

WW III baby! I can't wait. It'll give me something to do.

[DJEB]

WW III baby! I can't wait. It'll give me something to do.

For about 30 minutes.

[cstaylor]

WW III baby! I can't wait. It'll give me something to do.

For about 30 minutes.

30? That's a bit long for a missile launch. I'd say 5 minutes, tops.

[cstaylor]

Japan has mapped out a plan to defend a chain of its southernmost islands in the East China Sea against invasion amid rising security concerns about China....The plan calls for the dispatch of 55,000 troops as well as warplanes, destroyers and submarines from Japan's main islands in the event of an attack on Okinawa and other remote islands

Time to dust off those baka bombs, one-man torpedo subs, and start retraining the Sakura squadrons. I suggest that this time they man them with nenkin recipients to help take a load off the retirement system.

[goldenboy_ge]

Sad, where will this end?

China targets Taiwan and (Japan). North Korea will use the right moment to settle their unfinished business with South Korea and I think Russia wont watch any longer. I'm "glad" that our Russian comrades rearmed and renewed the nuke stock, this will ensure military ballance. Don't forget the Pakistan and India Kashmir issue.
While the war boom in the northern region in Asia, moslem and Islam groups will make their show in South East Asia. The ASEAN states will defend their territory from any aggressor at will.

China will have to think twice about an invasion in Taiwan and a possible Japan attack. The first thing would be the economical reason, why China have to really think clearly what they are doing. Therefore Taiwan has a higher priority than attacking the southern flank in Japan. Anyway, China will get the US on their asses, which makes it more complicated. Like in every war theater America will force the NATO or at least the war brothers (UK, Australia etc) to support them.

I doubt about a possible simultaneous war in Taiwan and in Japan at the same time. China will launch some conventional (non nuclear) missiles, and after that the hard task will come. The Chinese have to try to get their forces savely over the Taiwan strait sea. This is only possible if they bypass or even destroy the US fleet. Our yellow friends will get pretty busy to get into Taiwan. It would be very stupid to set up a second attack path to Japan at the same time. Meanwhile I can imagine about the North and South Korean war to be continued. Like I mentioned before, Russia will play a vital role in the Asia conflict and maybe it will be the next Cold war between West and East...

[Samurai_Jerk]

China will have to think twice about an invasion in Taiwan

Right now they'd have to think twice about invading Taiwan because their army of outdated military equipment and uncommitted conscripts would probably get it's ass handed to it by Taiwan's military. And I don't think they'd want to nuke Taiwan. Remember Taiwan is basically a small fortress that only has to successfully beat off a Chinese invasion. Of course China's military will probably be up to snuff before too long.

Anyway, I think China's economy is so intertwined with the rest of the world's right now that they really don't want to start pissing people off. Imagine the impact it would have if China did invade Taiwan or attack Japan and the US and Europe stopped all imports of Chinese goods.

[goldenboy_ge]

Armed Forces Overview


Chinese kick ass commi Army




















Aktive (Actives): ca. 2.270.000 <<oh oh......
Reservisten (Reserves): 500.000
Miliz (Primary Milizia): 10.000.000

Landstreitkraft (Army)
Soldaten (Soldiers) 1.600.000
Kampfpanzer (Main Battle Tanks) 8.400
Gepanzerte Fahrzeuge (Amored Vehicles) 7.500
Selbstfahrende Artillerie (Self propelled) 1.200
Raketenwerfer (Rocket Launcher) 2.500
Geschütze (Howitzers) 14.500
Hubschrauber (Helicopters) 243

Luftstreitkraft (Air Force)
Soldaten (Soldiers) 420.000
inkl. Soldaten Luftverteidigung (incl. Air Defence)
8.000
Kampfjets (Combat Aircrafts) 2.000
Bomber (Bombers) 120
Transportflugzeuge (Transport Aircrafts) 515
Hubschrauber (Helicopters) 204
Flak (Anti Aircrafts Artillery) 16.000

Seestreitkraft (Navy)
Soldaten (Soldiers) 250.000
inkl. (incl.) Marines 5.000
inkl. Marineflieger (incl. Airwing) 25.000
Zerstörer (Destroyers) 21
Fregatten (Frigates) 42
Schnellboote (Patrol Boats) 92
Landungsboote (Landing Crafts) 285
Amphibienschiffe (Amphibious Ships) 59
Uboote (Submarines) 29
Minenboote (Mine Warfare Vessles) 39
Versorger (Auxiliary Vessels) 159
Kampfjets (Combat Aircrafts) 188
Hubschrauber (Helicopters) 54


Strategische Kräfte (Strategic Missile Force)
Soldaten (Soldiers) 100.000
Marschflugkörper (ICBMs) ca. 150 (Cruise Missiles - the big ones!!!!)


30? That's a bit long for a missile launch. I'd say 5 minutes, tops. <<I say 5-10 minutes - activation and target programming (it's better when it's preset), console/missile configuration, picking up the key to open up the box for the launch button, activate the fuel system of the missile (take's a few min - depends on the missile), opening the launch bay/hatch and finally wait for the damn order to fire the nuke
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[goldenboy_ge]

China will have to think twice about an invasion in Taiwan

Right now they'd have to think twice about invading Taiwan because their army of outdated military equipment and uncommitted conscripts would probably get it's ass handed to it by Taiwan's military. And I don't think they'd want to nuke Taiwan. Remember Taiwan is basically a small fortress that only has to successfully beat off a Chinese invasion. Of course China's military will probably be up to snuff before too long.

Anyway, I think China's economy is so intertwined with the rest of the world's right now that they really don't want to start pissing people off. Imagine the impact it would have if China did invade Taiwan or attack Japan and the US and Europe stopped all imports of Chinese goods.

Their arms aren't that old nowadays. They've upgraded several missiles and tanks as well as ships. Check out http://www.sinodefence.com
I agree with the experts, who estimate that China could be in a military strenght power within in the next 10 to 20 years. Right now it's Quantity VS Quality.
The Chinese subs and a lot of other stuff really need maintenance and upgrade, but as I mentioned before they already began to upgrade the whole army and that's one of the reasons why Japan is worried about. They got the new Type 90 super tank, the Russian SU-30 and it ain't no cheap made in China stuff.

Of course they wont nuke Taiwan because they want the country back. They will throw only conventional ballisitc missiles with no nuke warhead.

[Samurai_Jerk]

+ = Japan's Answer

The Chinese Love the Colonel

China's relentless appetite for the colonel's chicken has KFC on a building boom in the world's most populous country, with 1,200 locations, soaring profits and a menu that mixes in bamboo shoots and lotus roots.
...KFC is dominating even rival McDonald's in China and turning the goateed visage of Kentucky Fried Chicken founder Colonel Harland Sanders into a ubiquitous symbol of America.
...Chinese fast-food consumers' preference for chicken has contributed to KFC's success

[ibiza]

China is a bit of a rogue nation in terms of it's sometimes odd commi policies. However, when you consider that the USA, Canada, the UK, Australia and Israel are all strong allies when it comes to hard war, I would have a hard time seeing china come out on top.

[goldenboy_ge]

+ = Japan's Answer

The Chinese Love the Colonel

China's relentless appetite for the colonel's chicken has KFC on a building boom in the world's most populous country, with 1,200 locations, soaring profits and a menu that mixes in bamboo shoots and lotus roots.
...KFC is dominating even rival McDonald's in China and turning the goateed visage of Kentucky Fried Chicken founder Colonel Harland Sanders into a ubiquitous symbol of America.
...Chinese fast-food consumers' preference for chicken has contributed to KFC's success

hehe

[blackcat]

" Tokyo has decided to use its missile defense system solely to intercept ballistic missiles targeting Japan, and will not act when it detects a threat to its allies, a report said"

NO SURPRISE THERE.

SELFISH CUNTS

[goldenboy_ge]

" Tokyo has decided to use its missile defense system solely to intercept ballistic missiles targeting Japan, and will not act when it detects a threat to its allies, a report said"

NO SURPRISE THERE.

SELFISH CUNTS

That's typical Japanese, I'm sorry to say that, but I experienced it in my private life too. Selfishness is an issue for Japanese.

And in case of the missile defence, I just want to add that it's pure egoism. Japan owns a high end missile defence system which not every country in Asia can have, therefore it is imperative to use such technology NOT only to protect themself, also for neighbors who really need such defence gear.

[cstaylor]

Japan owns a high end missile defence system which not every country in Asia can have

Would you pay millions for a system that has a success rate of 30%? NK is so close that by the time Japan verified an incoming bogey, it's curtains.

[goldenboy_ge]

I wanted to point out the ignorance and seflishness.

[blackcat]

"Would you pay millions for a system that has a success rate of 30%? NK is so close that by the time Japan verified an incoming bogey, it's curtains."

TRUE but this IS NOT defence, Japan HAVE NEVER BEEN A DEFENSIVE NATION always aggresive.

the so called pacifist japan now owes it to a FOREIGN policy!

this is alll about scaring the dumb arse public into a state of fear so when the inevitable "pre-emptive strike" comes the whole nation will say...oh yes we must.

they are at that point now anyway....such is their paranoid state...this is just how Japan started off not so long ago....but they havent learnt from that.

[goldenboy_ge]

TRUE but this IS NOT defence, Japan HAVE NEVER BEEN A DEFENSIVE NATION always aggresive.

^That's right. Many Japanese officals and high politicians pledged for a complete new Japanese Army which allowed them to interfere anywhere on the globe, and they wanted a new law which allows them to take their military outside of Japan.

Secondly it's no surprise that they want their old status as a military power back. Japan should "rise" like in the old days again. The truth is far beyond.
The Japanese Navy left it's teritorry to join military maneuvers- I can't admit we're talking about a casual exercise. Far more it's a demonstration of Japan's new world position.

[devicenull]

Well, this is a really stupid time for Japan to rattle sabers with it's soon to be largest trading partner. China is modernizing and as far as I am aware is still undecided on the number of old nukes it will be replacing with new long range nukes. They are only kept for deterrance as of right now, and everything long range relies on liquid fuel with the warhead stored about 10km away from the launch site. It takes half a day to fuel these things up and launch.

They only have a handful of them too. They are replacing them with solid fuel rockets and an attached warhead on mobile platforms. They just don't know how many to build.

On the Taiwan issue, the US supports the status quo, and as it is now, Taiwan will not be attacked. Taiwan WILL be attacked if they declare independance though. China is not going to attack Japan first, and if Japan attacked first, I'm pretty sure the US wouldn't stand for it, seeing as how much trade is conducted with China. Also, Japan would get nuked (again) pretty fast for that.

[goldenboy_ge]

Well, this is a really stupid time for Japan to rattle sabers with it's soon to be largest trading partner. China is modernizing and as far as I am aware is still undecided on the number of old nukes it will be replacing with new long range nukes. They are only kept for deterrance as of right now, and everything long range relies on liquid fuel with the warhead stored about 10km away from the launch site. It takes half a day to fuel these things up and launch.

They only have a handful of them too. They are replacing them with solid fuel rockets and an attached warhead on mobile platforms. They just don't know how many to build.

On the Taiwan issue, the US supports the status quo, and as it is now, Taiwan will not be attacked. Taiwan WILL be attacked if they declare independance though. China is not going to attack Japan first, and if Japan attacked first, I'm pretty sure the US wouldn't stand for it, seeing as how much trade is conducted with China. Also, Japan would get nuked (again) pretty fast for that.

Take a look to the previous page, the new equppiped H-xx are far more accurate and deadly as hell and ready to be launched. Look on the missile radius graphics and the large ballistic missile images. Everyone's talking about the "low-retarded" Chinese communistc Army. All I say again, they are upgrading and they are moving toward the line of quantity to quality. They own the new super class destroyers that could be a pain in the ass for the US Navy.
The defence budget is quite high, and the Chinese Army is trying to get the newest East and latest Russian toys (build under license). Check out the previous page and check out the website http://www.sinodefence.com

As I mentioned before, I really doubt a two war theatre at Taiwan and Japan simultaneously. Taiwan is the main focus and it has a bigger priority, therefore the Chinese has to go through the Taiwan straits sea first in order to drop their ground troops and heavy armor. It would be a hard task for both parties. I don't know how the outcome may look like and it's unsure if the Chinese will even reach the Taiwanese coasts. The US will mobilize their whole pacific fleet to the Taiwan straits and fill it up with subs, destroyers, carriers etc (if those forces reaches) the war zone at time. However the first attack wave will be an air strike with conventional, ballistic and cruise missiles shot out by carriers, war planes and eventually subs. Knocking down those hard tracking fast missiles ain't easy. There might be 30+ or more missiles in the air at the same time and they are heading toward strategic targets such military postions, power plants, bridges etc and choke points.

I am not confident about the US and Taiwanese forces that could intercept all incoming ballistic and cruise missiles. I'm more concerned about the water war that will show up when the whole US pacific fleet will arrive. As I said before the Chinese ground troops and heavy armory must be delivered by sea transport. Chinese paratroopers will be dropped over Taiwan if they can go through the Taiwan straits sea savley.
In fact, the US forces will try to prevent the attacks with a fast counter attack. I really don't know if US forces will peneptrate the Chinese territory in order to prevent the Chinese missile launches. If u want to dam up the enemy forces u need to beat them before they move. This requires the US to penetrate Chinese territory- this also means, that US forces are attacking Chinese mainland and are intruding the country. This will open a new dimension and it might be a new start up for WW3.
It is a difference if America is supporting Taiwan by setting up defensive position on the sea and at the coasts or they make a prevention war and destroy the missile platforms in the Chinese territory.

I think if China would plan to attack Japan first, then Nippon will get it's ass kicked at sea, air and land

[AssKissinger]

Japan is cruising for a bruising

TOKYO (AFP) - Japan said it had placed under state control a lighthouse built by nationalists on a disputed island in the East China Sea despite rival claims by China and Taiwan.

The 5.6-meter (18-foot) lighthouse was erected in 1988 by Japanese right-wing activists to mark a claim on Uotsuri-jima, the largest of the Senkaku Islands, known as Diaoyu in China, which lie between Taiwan and Japan.

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Japan declared the oil-rich but uninhabited islands were part of its territory in 1895, the same year it took over Taiwan.

This is such crap. Japan lost its right to its imperial claims from that era under the conditions of its surrender. In terms of territory they got off easy. They're lucky the Russians didn't take Hokkaido. But now they have territory disputes with Russia, China and South Korea. Japan could very well be in for a bitch slap.

[goldenboy_ge]

They're lucky the Russians didn't take Hokkaido. But now they have territory disputes with Russia, China and South Korea. Japan could very well be in for a bitch slap.

Indeed, many people don't notice that Japan is actually surrounded by "enemies" - Japan, is the 'Israel' in Asia.

[AssKissinger]

Fuck you, Adolf.


Here's an article about the Korean Island Tok Do.


S Korean province protests Shimane's TV ads about Takeshima


Wednesday, February 9, 2005 at 12:58 JST
MATSUE — The South Korean province of North Kyongsang has filed a protest with Japan's Shimane prefectural government over its television advertisement about an island in the Sea of Japan which is claimed both by Japan and South Korea, prefectural government officials said Wednesday.

"We are concerned about the advertisement," the province, which has a friendship arrangement with the prefecture, said in a protest letter, according to the officials. (Kyodo News)

[goldenboy_ge]

Fuck you, Adolf.

You got issues.