Environmentalists pursue Japan's whalers

[Samurai_Jerk]

Sea Shepherd has agreed to stop messing with Japanese whalers after a long legal battle in the US but ...

... the mediated settlement, between the group and Japan's whaling body, is expected to do little to end confrontations in the Southern Ocean.
Those operations are conducted by Sea Shepherd Australia, which said it was not affected by the court ruling.
Japan's whaling has been ruled illegal by the Australian Federal Court.

[Wage Slave]

Sea Shepherd has agreed to stop messing with Japanese whalers after a long legal battle in the US but ...

... the mediated settlement, between the group and Japan's whaling body, is expected to do little to end confrontations in the Southern Ocean.
Those operations are conducted by Sea Shepherd Australia, which said it was not affected by the court ruling.
Japan's whaling has been ruled illegal by the Australian Federal Court.

5 years and god knows how much in lawyers' fees for that. What a waste. Incidentally this paint job is called Dazzle Camouflage. It was a UK WW1 invention and was also known as Razzle Dazzle in the US.

[Takechanpoo]

i would say again and again.
protecting only certain animals, in spite of the fact that its not endangered, is NOT AT ALL related to environmental protection.
it is also invalid even as animal welfare. its a contemporary version eugenics which the target is just changed from humans to the other animals. anti-whalers are very emotional, superstitious and unilateral. they are evil. but they dont notice they are. blind cultists.

[Russell]

i would say again and again.
protecting only certain animals, in spite of the fact that its not endangered, is NOT AT ALL related to environmental protection.
it is also invalid even as animal welfare. its a contemporary version eugenics which the target is just changed from humans to the other animals. anti-whalers are very emotional, superstitious and unilateral. they are evil. but they dont notice they are. blind cultists.

How do you make the mental step to eugenics?

[matsuki]

i would say again and again.
protecting only certain animals, in spite of the fact that its not endangered, is NOT AT ALL related to environmental protection.
it is also invalid even as animal welfare. its a contemporary version eugenics which the target is just changed from humans to the other animals. anti-whalers are very emotional, superstitious and unilateral. they are evil. but they dont notice they are. blind cultists.

How do you make the mental step to eugenics?

I think he's saying he's proof that Eugenics wasn't very effective

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

i would say again and again.
protecting only certain animals, in spite of the fact that its not endangered, is NOT AT ALL related to environmental protection.
it is also invalid even as animal welfare. its a contemporary version eugenics which the target is just changed from humans to the other animals. anti-whalers are very emotional, superstitious and unilateral. they are evil. but they dont notice they are. blind cultists.

How do you make the mental step to eugenics?

I think he's saying he's proof that Eugenics wasn't very effective

No? Look at the Olympics medal table.

[matsuki]

i would say again and again.
protecting only certain animals, in spite of the fact that its not endangered, is NOT AT ALL related to environmental protection.
it is also invalid even as animal welfare. its a contemporary version eugenics which the target is just changed from humans to the other animals. anti-whalers are very emotional, superstitious and unilateral. they are evil. but they dont notice they are. blind cultists.

How do you make the mental step to eugenics?

I think he's saying he's proof that Eugenics wasn't very effective

No? Look at the Olympics medal table.

Country with most diverse population on top by a significant margin?

[wagyl]

More diverse than the host country?

I am surprised.

(I wonder if they still have the signs on Copacabana Beach giving recommendations for which Sun Protection Factor sunscreen to apply, based on four different racial mix categories.)

[matsuki]

More diverse than the host country?

I am surprised.

(I wonder if they still have the signs on Copacabana Beach giving recommendations for which Sun Protection Factor sunscreen to apply, based on four different racial mix categories.)

I think so, not that i'm discounting Brazil's diversity or that every place in the US is a shining example of it.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Country with most diverse population on top by a significant margin?

The bulk of American medals were won by the descendants of genetically modified people.

[wagyl]

More diverse than the host country?

I am surprised.

(I wonder if they still have the signs on Copacabana Beach giving recommendations for which Sun Protection Factor sunscreen to apply, based on four different racial mix categories.)

I think so, not that i'm discounting Brazil's diversity or that every place in the US is a shining example of it.

You know little of which you speak, grasshopper.
A starting point for further research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ ... _in_Brazil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ ... ted_States

[legion]

Origin 1904–1913 1914–1923 1924–1933
Japanese 11,868 20,398 110,191

I wonder why people decided to emigrate, must be some fascinating stories.

[matsuki]

Not trying to discount Brazil's diversity or downplay white-ville US as there is no denying they both exist....but (yes, anecdotal but LA is a pretty big city/county) the cuntry wide census % never reflected the diversity I saw growing up or was able to tackle people like me of -Gasp!- mixed race.

2013 data for LA:

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[wagyl]

Image isn't rendering for me -- may be my adblock or my do-not-track tools getting in the way -- but I am guessing that it is typical US "count everyone twice, once for colour, once for "Hispanity" and then record the fact that there are no Jewish Pacific Islander Hispanics in the neighbourhood, and can we exceed 0.6% "multi-racial" this time??!! results.

My basic point is that you can't say "most diverse" unless you have assessed every single other country by the same standards (i.e. ignore the national result, cherry-pick your favourite community) and found the one which is more diverse than any other. There is nothing ambiguous about "most."

My other point is that there is more in the world than just your personal experiences. but you have been told that many times before, so I don't expect that message to sink in any further this time either. This is another example of you failing to escape the concept of US exceptionalism, but I blame the education system during your impressionable years for that.

[wagyl]

Origin 1904–1913 1914–1923 1924–1933
Japanese 11,868 20,398 110,191

I wonder why people decided to emigrate, must be some fascinating stories.

Short answer is with the abolition of slavery there was a huge demand for agricultural labour in Brazil, at a time when agricultural incomes in Japan were intensely depressed. For some disadvantaged communities -- principally Okinawans -- it was a chance to escape those disadvantages and reinvent yourself.

The National Diet Library's online museum exhibit. The English has some occasional Portuguese spice.

[matsuki]

Image isn't rendering for me -- may be my adblock or my do-not-track tools getting in the way -- but I am guessing that it is typical US "count everyone twice, once for colour, once for "Hispanity" and then record the fact that there are no Jewish Pacific Islander Hispanics in the neighbourhood, and can we exceed 0.6% "multi-racial" this time??!! results.

Just added, quite the opposite...

Other points understood with but lets get back to the Olympic performance....do you think the Brazillian Olympic team is the most diverse?

[wagyl]

Other points understood with but lets get back to the Olympic performance....do you think the Brazillian Olympic team is the most diverse?

Two points.

1. When comparing two, one is more diverse than the other. Most is used for more than two.

2. Are you changing the goalposts again? Instead of your favourite city, we now are limited to athletes? We were talking about most diverse nation before. Get solid with what you are talking about, and then we can talk.

Even so, if we are talking about more diverse, I would say potentially yes. However, I see continued difficulty discussing this with someone who presents data listing "Hispanic" as a race. No one else does it (or understands what a Hispanic is), so your data is incompatible with any other data in the world. But that is OK, you are an exceptional country. You even count medal tallies differently from anywhere else in the world, giving no weight to the type metal.

[Samurai_Jerk]

The bulk of American medals were won by the descendants of genetically modified people.

Not to mention Japan's silver in the relay.

[matsuki]

I don't like the term "Hispanic" any more than you do but what am I to do when that is what's being used there? My original point was diversity is a major factor in athletic performance of a country's olympic athletes, not that the US is exceptional. I would have said the same of Brazil, had they topped the medal counts.

I still "see" more diversity on team USA than Team Brazil. (unless we actually know each and every athletes background, we're just guessing) More team USA athletes come from California than any other state and you can guess the majority of them are from LA....so while I apologize for my muddled response to your country-specific diversity questions and my anecdotal views, consider California is the most populous state in the union, LA the second most populous city, and for better/worse (usually worse) Hollywood has some influence on the rest of the country/world, it's not like I'm in a small bubble in a podunk midwest city, trying to extrapolate that experience.

Here's more hispanic for you...a lot more with Latino also thrown in for good measure

2010 California Populations with multiracial identifiers
Group 2010 Population[33] Percentage of Total Population
White, not Hispanic or Latino 15,763,625 42.3%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 14,013,719 37.6%
Mexican 11,423,146 30.6%
Salvadoran 573,956 1.5%
Guatemalan 332,737 0.8%
Puerto Rican 189,945 0.5%
Colombian 164,416 0.4%
Spaniard 142,194 0.3%
Nicaraguan 100,790 0.2%
Peruvian 91,511 0.2%
Cuban 88,607 0.2%
Honduran 72,795 0.1%
Argentinean 44,410 0.1%
Ecuadorian 35,750 0.09%
Chilean 24,006 0.06%
Costa Rican 22,469 0.06%
Panamanian 17,768 0.04%
Bolivian 13,351 0.03%
Dominican 11,455 0.03%
Venezuelan 11,100 0.02%
Uruguayan 4,110 0.01%
Paraguayan 1,228 0.003%
Asian 5,556,592 14.9%
Filipino 1,474,707 3.9%
Chinese (except Taiwanese) 1,349,111 3.6%
Vietnamese 647,589 1.7%
Indian 590,445 1.5%
Korean 505,225 1.3%
Japanese 428,014 1.1%
Okinawan 1,377 0.003%
Taiwanese 109,928 0.2%
Cambodian 102,317 0.2%
Hmong 91,224 0.2%
Laotian 69,303 0.2%
Thai 67,707 0.1%
Pakistani 53,474 0.1%
Indonesian 39,506 0.1%
Sri Lankan 11,929 0.03%
Bangladeshi 10,494 0.02%
Nepalese 6,231 0.01%
Malaysian 5,595 0.01%
Mongolian 4,993 0.01%
Singaporean 1,513 0.004%
Black or African American 2,683,914 7.2%
Multiracial (two or more races) 1,815,384 4.8%
American Indian and Alaska Native 723,225 1.9%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander 286,145 0.7%
Polynesian 157,104 0.4%
Native Hawaiian 74,932 0.2%
Samoan 60,876 0.1%
Tongan 22,893 0.06%
Micronesian 49,197 0.1%
Guamanian or Chamorro 44,425 0.1%
Melanesian 24,203 0.06%
Fijian 24,059 0.06%
Total 37,253,956 100%

[Samurai_Jerk]

Is diversity a huge factor? It seems you're basing this claim on the number of medals the US has won overall in the modern Olympics. Yes, the US is diverse but it's also a massive country with a huge populations and a lot of resources.

[matsuki]

Is diversity a huge factor? It seems you're basing this claim on the number of medals the US has won overall in the modern Olympics. Yes, the US is diverse but it's also a massive country with a huge populations and a lot of resources.

Major factor but definitely not the only one or largest.

[Wage Slave]

What? You mean that having quality facilities, quality coaches, extensive back up teams and funding so that your athletes can effectively devote all their time to their sport for years wins medals? Gosh.

[Grumpy Gramps]

What? You mean that having quality facilities, quality coaches, extensive back up teams and funding so that your athletes can effectively devote all their time to their sport for years wins medals? Gosh.

A cumbersome way, though. A bit of chemistry would be cheaper and more effective

Diversity surely helps. I see it in my dogs. Mixed breeds are usually stronger, healthier and live longer than purebreds. Shouldn't be much different in humans.

[Coligny]

What? You mean that having quality facilities, quality coaches, extensive back up teams and funding so that your athletes can effectively devote all their time to their sport for years wins medals? Gosh.

A cumbersome way, though. A bit of chemistry would be cheaper and more effective

Diversity surely helps. I see it in my dogs. Mixed breeds are usually stronger, healthier and live longer than purebreds. Shouldn't be much different in humans.

god damned sang bleu...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haemophil ... an_royalty

[matsuki]

Diversity surely helps. I see it in my dogs. Mixed breeds are usually stronger, healthier and live longer than purebreds. Shouldn't be much different in humans.

It definitely helps in general but in more recent years, they've been able to identify many of the problem genes that are magnified in specific purebreds, develop tests for them, and there is this whole doggie neg. eugenic drive to "improve the breed" by sterilizing the ones that carry the problem genes and limit inbreeding with doggie koseki. Getting a pup of unknown mix/history from the local shelter can turn out to be really great and used to have better odds with it than even the most expensive purebred but I'm not so sure that's true anymore.

[Samurai_Jerk]

If diversity and mixing are so important in producing great Olympic athletes, shouldn't certain Latin American countries be a lot more dominant?

Anyway, we're back to the problem that Wagyl mentioned earlier: defining diversity. If you go by the number of languages spoken, ethnic groups, cultures, and religions, India is a very diverse place. By American standards it's not though because it's full of Indians. Even if you only count the Han in China you've still got a very diverse group of people who speak different languages and have different regional cultural practices. But in American they're not diverse because they're all Asian or maybe Chinese if you're being particularly careful.

[Samurai_Jerk]

However, I see continued difficulty discussing this with someone who presents data listing "Hispanic" as a race.

You're right about that. We should be more specifc. Here are some famous members of the Mexican race.

Salma.jpg

Lupita.jpg

Canelo.jpg

Katsuji.jpg

[matsuki]

If diversity and mixing are so important in producing great Olympic athletes, shouldn't certain Latin American countries be a lot more dominant?

Anyway, we're back to the problem that Wagyl mentioned earlier: defining diversity. If you go by the number of languages spoken, ethnic groups, cultures, and religions, India is a very diverse place. By American standards it's not though because it's full of Indians. Even if you only count the Han in China you've still got a very diverse group of people who speak different languages and have different regional cultural practices. But in American they're not diverse because they're all Asian or maybe Chinese if you're being particularly careful.

I meant diverse in the racial sense but considering genetic diversity varies more within each race than between them, it's more of a social factor than a genetic one.

[Grumpy Gramps]

...there is this whole doggie neg. eugenic drive to "improve the breed" by sterilizing the ones that carry the problem genes and limit inbreeding with doggie koseki. Getting a pup of unknown mix/history from the local shelter can turn out to be really great and used to have better odds with it than even the most expensive purebred but I'm not so sure that's true anymore.

The message well I hear, my faith alone is weak, so to speak Anyways, from your lips to $[guru]'s ears.

[Takechanpoo]

it seems like anti-whalers are being pushed into an inferior position recently.
its a kind of unfortunate. well...the world ppl are always eventually fair...
https://www.facebook.com/cnn/posts/10155242045031509

hey, wipe away your tears, whalecultists.