Russell wrote:Kurogane, just go to Europe coming summer for your holidays and enjoy.
Nothing to worry about.
I'm just fucking around man

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Russell wrote:Kurogane, just go to Europe coming summer for your holidays and enjoy.
Nothing to worry about.
My wife and I made the mistake of getting hooked on the Netflix series, Making A Murderer, this weekend. Never watch sausage being made, and never take a look inside what the police do to make a case. It will ruin your trust in the system.
There were a couple of things that just infuriated me.
•There were two clear cases of scientific dishonesty that ought to have simply been thrown out, or never even been presented to the jury.
--->They tested a bullet for blood, and announced that it was from the victim. But the lab tech also disclosed that the negative control was contaminated! My jaw dropped at that. You don’t get to make that claim when your test was invalidated by error.
--->To disprove that the accused’s blood at the crime scene was not planted from a sample in police custody, they declared that the FBI, using a new test, had found no preservatives in the blood, therefore the sample couldn’t have been planted. Again, you can’t do that. What were the limits of detection? The best you can do is say that the test failed, and without a lot of evaluation of the samples and the procedure, you can’t state how likely their answer was.
Outrageous.
•One of the prosecutor’s tools was this horrifically detailed story of the murder, which they claim to have gotten from a confession by the accused’s nephew. But we have the recording of the “confession”, and it’s appalling. The nephew is this lost, confused, slow-witted teenager, and the police lead him through the story. He didn’t provide any of the purported details. They did.
The prosecutors didn’t exhibit a speck of shame at going on and on about knifings and stranglings and shooting and torture, with the only evidence being a fable fed to a not very bright kid. Is that a general character trait of prosecutors? I wouldn’t know.
Just to counterbalance the dismaying unprofessionalism, incompetence, and corruption of the police, though, I have to say I hope that if ever I’m accused of a crime, I want the defense attorneys, Dean Strang and Jerry Buting, on my side. They, at least, seemed to be well aware of the inconsistencies and falsehoods in the prosecution’s case. I don’t know whether the prosecutors weren’t very bright or were just doing their job to paper over the failings of their arguments.
I don’t know whether it’s the charitable assumption to guess that the prosecutors just didn’t care about the truth.
It’s also a shame because the victim was murdered, and my impression is that the Manitowoc police were more interested in pinning the blame on the accused than in actually figuring out what happened.
Mike Oxlong wrote:This PZ Myers blog post reminded me of the discussion of the Dutch case.
Fast losing all confidence in the justice systemMy wife and I made the mistake of getting hooked on the Netflix series, Making A Murderer, this weekend. Never watch sausage being made, and never take a look inside what the police do to make a case. It will ruin your trust in the system.
There were a couple of things that just infuriated me.
•There were two clear cases of scientific dishonesty that ought to have simply been thrown out, or never even been presented to the jury.
--->They tested a bullet for blood, and announced that it was from the victim. But the lab tech also disclosed that the negative control was contaminated! My jaw dropped at that. You don’t get to make that claim when your test was invalidated by error.
--->To disprove that the accused’s blood at the crime scene was not planted from a sample in police custody, they declared that the FBI, using a new test, had found no preservatives in the blood, therefore the sample couldn’t have been planted. Again, you can’t do that. What were the limits of detection? The best you can do is say that the test failed, and without a lot of evaluation of the samples and the procedure, you can’t state how likely their answer was.
Outrageous.
•One of the prosecutor’s tools was this horrifically detailed story of the murder, which they claim to have gotten from a confession by the accused’s nephew. But we have the recording of the “confession”, and it’s appalling. The nephew is this lost, confused, slow-witted teenager, and the police lead him through the story. He didn’t provide any of the purported details. They did.
The prosecutors didn’t exhibit a speck of shame at going on and on about knifings and stranglings and shooting and torture, with the only evidence being a fable fed to a not very bright kid. Is that a general character trait of prosecutors? I wouldn’t know.
Just to counterbalance the dismaying unprofessionalism, incompetence, and corruption of the police, though, I have to say I hope that if ever I’m accused of a crime, I want the defense attorneys, Dean Strang and Jerry Buting, on my side. They, at least, seemed to be well aware of the inconsistencies and falsehoods in the prosecution’s case. I don’t know whether the prosecutors weren’t very bright or were just doing their job to paper over the failings of their arguments.
I don’t know whether it’s the charitable assumption to guess that the prosecutors just didn’t care about the truth.
It’s also a shame because the victim was murdered, and my impression is that the Manitowoc police were more interested in pinning the blame on the accused than in actually figuring out what happened.
Cologne, Germany, was again the site of violent clashes Saturday, when authorities resorted to water cannons as a means of dispersing anti-Islam protesters, who reportedly fought back with firecrackers and bottles.
Coordinated by members of the xenophobic Pegida movement — Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the West — Saturday's demonstration of 1,700 people took place at Cologne's main train station; according to Deutsche Welle, "half of those attending the Pegida rally were football hooligans and right-wing extremists." Hundreds of police were dispatched to maintain order as some 1,300 counter-protesters converged on the anti-Muslim rally, where Chancellor Angela Merkel came under fire for her open-door policy on Middle Eastern refugees seeking asylum in Germany.
"Merkel has become a danger to our country," a Pegida protester reportedly told the demonstrators. "Merkel must go!"
The Dresden-based Pegida movement opposes the spread of Islam within Europe; it claims to stand against "hatemongers, regardless of which religion they belong to" and "radicalism, whether religiously or politically motivated." Yet, Merkel herself has condemned the group's racist ideology, saying they have "coldness, prejudice and hatred in their hearts." Pegida has loudly decried the influx of asylum seekers into Germany, and the attacks that swept Cologne's New Year's Eve celebrations have only added fuel to the fire.
kurogane wrote:Those guys sound scary to me, but at the very least that shitsow and all this ruckus over the NYE sexual assaults might help drive the discussion and discourse back from the edge of Charity/NGO driven hysterical sympathy and into the realm of the possible and the practical, like renting Turkey and Jordan and making some decent camps for them to stay in until they can go home, and leaving Europe to those who belong there: Europeans and First World tourists.
Wage Slave wrote:kurogane wrote:Those guys sound scary to me, but at the very least that shitsow and all this ruckus over the NYE sexual assaults might help drive the discussion and discourse back from the edge of Charity/NGO driven hysterical sympathy and into the realm of the possible and the practical, like renting Turkey and Jordan and making some decent camps for them to stay in until they can go home, and leaving Europe to those who belong there: Europeans and First World tourists.
Yep. I hated admitting it but Cameron got this one pretty much right at the time. Spend money on temporary camps, send money to maintain them but only offer residence to the most vulnerable. Small children who have lost their parents etc. And they travel normally and safely without the good offices of criminal gangs.
kurogane wrote:Which part did you hate, the part about putting up camps and them in them or having to grit your teeth and admit that Little Lord Porkapig got it right?
Samurai_Jerk wrote:EDIT: Just remembered the first episode is available on Youtube for free and it's not region blocked.
wagyl wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:EDIT: Just remembered the first episode is available on Youtube for free and it's not region blocked.
Fuck you again Jerk! Fuck you! You've got me hooked onto a story and I don't have access to the follow up!
While I was watching that, I thought "they are using all their material in the first episode, what will they have to say next time?" and then, Wham!!!!
I was just having a conversation with a friend back home about how crap free-to-air TV is even outside of Japan, with reality TV crud, and she said that it is really now a Golden Age of Television, except nowadays you have to pay for it. This is a prime (although not Amazon Prime) example.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:wagyl wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:EDIT: Just remembered the first episode is available on Youtube for free and it's not region blocked.
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Fuck you again Jerk! Fuck you! You've got me hooked onto a story and I don't have access to the follow up!
While I was watching that, I thought "they are using all their material in the first episode, what will they have to say next time?" and then, Wham!!!!
I was just having a conversation with a friend back home about how crap free-to-air TV is even outside of Japan, with reality TV crud, and she said that it is really now a Golden Age of Television, except nowadays you have to pay for it. This is a prime (although not Amazon Prime) example.
Well, I wouldn't say it's impossible for you to watch the rest of the series.
Yes, TV is now better than movies now but not regular broadcast television.
kurogane wrote:Allowing for differences in taste, this Golden Age of Television cheerleading just reminds me that people have lost their minds. Mad Men? Breaking Bald? Angry Fat WHite Girls farting and burping? Cookie cutter fashion/celeb magazine driven drivel in MYHOMO. I think the main reason that gets so much purchase is because the media has said it is so. To disagree is a sign that one is not In on the latest Twattering. Again, allowing for taste in TV. There's still some good stuff out there, but it's usually British or Brit-Cdn, and it can be hard to get at.
wagyl wrote:kurogane wrote:Allowing for differences in taste, this Golden Age of Television cheerleading just reminds me that people have lost their minds. Mad Men? Breaking Bald? Angry Fat WHite Girls farting and burping? Cookie cutter fashion/celeb magazine driven drivel in MYHOMO. I think the main reason that gets so much purchase is because the media has said it is so. To disagree is a sign that one is not In on the latest Twattering. Again, allowing for taste in TV. There's still some good stuff out there, but it's usually British or Brit-Cdn, and it can be hard to get at.
Are you telling me that Mad Men and Breaking Bad are not good productions worthy of viewership, when the free-to-air offer two episodes of Gold Coast Cops back to back followed by a rerun of Territory Cops?
wagyl wrote:
Are you telling me that Mad Men and Breaking Bad are not good productions worthy of viewership, when the free-to-air offer two episodes of Gold Coast Cops back to back followed by a rerun of Territory Cops?
Samurai_Jerk wrote: I knew kurogane was a hipster.
Wage Slave wrote:The racists are predictably using this an an excuse to do all the things they are itching to do all the time. So, one very bad piece of policing leads to a much bigger policing headache. What did you say Russell about the importance of remaining rational?
Russell wrote:Kristallnacht...
In the aftermath of the New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Cologne, Germany's parliament debated new legal measures on Wednesday which would make it easier for crime-committing asylum seekers to be deported. Some opponents cautioned against mixing the Cologne attacks with the refugee debate.
Lawmakers in Merkel's center-right Christian Democrats party (CDU) and its Bavarian sister party the Christian Social Democrats (CSU) proposed measures which would facilitate faster deportation. CSU General Secretary Andreas called for North African countries like Morocco and Algeria to be reclassified as so-called "safe countries of origin," making deportation easier.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has endorsed these proposals.
If the proposed changes go into effect, asylum seekers would be deported for crimes like bodily harm, homicide, rape, and sexual assault - even in the event of a suspended sentence. Sentences of more than one year would significantly increase the possibility of deportation.
According to authorities, 561 police complaints - around 45 percent of them were connected to sexual violence - have been filed in the wake of the Cologne attacks, where groups of mainly North African and Arabian men surrounded, sexually assaulted and robbed women near the main train station.
"There is no justification and no excuse for sexual assaults against women, and cultural background excuses nothing. On the contrary, it is not even acceptable as an explanation," Justice Minister Heiko Maas, a member of the Social Democratic Party (SPD), told German lawmakers during the debates.
Better protection for women
Although the ruling and opposition parties differed when it came to deportation proposals, all parties called for stronger sexual assault laws and for better protection for victims. Moves to update the country's rape laws have been underway since last year - months before the New Year's Eve attacks.
Left party leader Katja Kipping criticized lawmakers for narrowing the sexual assault debate to just foreign perpetrators, saying: "the oppression of women is a permanent fixture in all cultures, including the West."
The Green party parliamentary group leader Katrin Goering-Eckardt also accused Justice Minister Maas of dismissing the Green's proposed sexual assault law update last year and for calling it unnecessary.
The debate and public outcry have raised tensions over the mass influx of refugees in Germany. Around 1.1 million migrants entered the country in 2015 with thousands crossing the country's southern border every day.
Clashes erupted late Monday in a small Dutch town during violent protests against the planned opening of a centre for asylum seekers, Dutch media and officials said.
In a repeat of scenes seen in several Dutch towns and villages since late last year amid growing tensions over record numbers of migrants, police intervened to disperse about 1,000 people who rallied in central Heesch.
It was not immediately clear from police how many people had been arrested and whether anyone was injured.
The riot came only hours after populist far-right politician Geert Wilders called for Islamic male refugees to be kept locked up in asylum centres, saying such a move was needed to protect Dutch women after the New Year's Eve assaults in Cologne, Germany.
In 2013, then-Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt lashed out at some nurseries after they started serving halal-butchered meat instead of pork because Muslim children had refused to eat it.
kurogane wrote:The Danish are getting even more pigheaded!!!
Danish town makes pork mandatory in public institutions
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 685557.cms
Hysteric as it sounds, there is a precedent of acceding to heathen rebellion, which only encourages them to think they matter:In 2013, then-Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt lashed out at some nurseries after they started serving halal-butchered meat instead of pork because Muslim children had refused to eat it.
I kind of like the psychological warfare aspect ("Welcome......and BTW, fuck your primitive beliefs and customs"), but since there were already menu alternatives available this seems so childish it would satisfy a Quebecois separatist.
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