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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby matsuki » Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:07 am

This is like a screenplay writing itself....so how far must he go before China does a "preemptive strike" on Japan?
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Coligny » Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:55 am

How Shinzo Abe Became Postwar Japan's Most Consequential Leader


So much words for soo little meaning...

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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:35 pm

As long as the experts agree ....

Japan's 'Abenomics' experiment is on the rocks

Abenomics Is Working
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby kurogane » Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:47 pm

If nothing else, that should help validate the oft disputed probity of professional economics. I remember reading about that sort of stuff when we used to discuss the accuracy of Azande Shamans diagnosing withcraft. Amongst the Azande. They were unfailingly accurate: if the dead body floated back to the surface after the drowning she was considered innocent of all charges. Economics is similar: when they find themselves deep in a wet, dark hole of their own construction they simply assume a ladder. Anthropology has a lot to learn from those magical underpant wearing wonder mens.

Much as I hate Abe, I hope this flavour of voodoo works. Japan has been in recession since my Japan Year 5 or 6, and I am pushing Japan Year 30. Feck................OOOoook. Gve those poor feckers a break already. Could you imagine how much fun life in the states would be if they'd been in recession for 25 years!???? :shock:
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Yokohammer » Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:22 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:As long as the experts agree ....

Japan's 'Abenomics' experiment is on the rocks

Abenomics Is Working

The comments following that "Abenomics is Working" article are worth a read too.

Funny ... as in "what on earth has this author been drinking?"
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Takechanpoo » Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:14 pm

in my personal opinion, i wanted to see what happened in abenomics if no consumption tax increase.
they carried out consumption tax increase JUST FOR the bureaucrats of ministry of finance just because its the ministrys long-run policy.
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Wage Slave » Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:36 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:they carried out consumption tax increase JUST FOR the bureaucrats of ministry of finance just because its the ministrys long-run policy.


And that's just because the MoF has a responsibility for the whopping debt successive governments have run up. What's it now about 230% of GDP? That's more like a mortgage than a bloody debt. It's not a question of whether taxes need to rise, it's a question of which taxes are going to rise.

So which taxes would you put up instead, bearing in mind sales tax increases produce a lot of revenue?
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Yokohammer » Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:43 pm

Wage Slave wrote:
Takechanpoo wrote:they carried out consumption tax increase JUST FOR the bureaucrats of ministry of finance just because its the ministrys long-run policy.


And that's just because the MoF has a responsibility for the whopping debt successive governments have run up. What's it now about 230% of GDP? That's more like a mortgage than a bloody debt. It's not a question of whether taxes need to rise, it's a question of which taxes are going to rise.

So which taxes would you put up instead, bearing in mind sales tax increases produce a lot of revenue?

I vote for raising the tax on politicians' income and assets by about 500%. Retroactive to about 6 generations.
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Wage Slave » Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:58 pm

Yokohammer wrote:
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Takechanpoo wrote:they carried out consumption tax increase JUST FOR the bureaucrats of ministry of finance just because its the ministrys long-run policy.


And that's just because the MoF has a responsibility for the whopping debt successive governments have run up. What's it now about 230% of GDP? That's more like a mortgage than a bloody debt. It's not a question of whether taxes need to rise, it's a question of which taxes are going to rise.

So which taxes would you put up instead, bearing in mind sales tax increases produce a lot of revenue?

I vote for raising the tax on politicians' income and assets by about 500%. Retroactive to about 6 generations.


Excellent idea. I fear though that it wouldn't really raise very much - in comparison with the debt they have run up.
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Yokohammer » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:09 pm

Wage Slave wrote:
Yokohammer wrote:I vote for raising the tax on politicians' income and assets by about 500%. Retroactive to about 6 generations.


Excellent idea. I fear though that it wouldn't really raise very much - in comparison with the debt they have run up.

Yeah, but at least if they did that the general populace wouldn't feel like they're being ass-raped to pay someone else's debt. As much.


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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:19 pm

Wage Slave wrote:
Yokohammer wrote:
Wage Slave wrote:
Takechanpoo wrote:they carried out consumption tax increase JUST FOR the bureaucrats of ministry of finance just because its the ministrys long-run policy.


And that's just because the MoF has a responsibility for the whopping debt successive governments have run up. What's it now about 230% of GDP? That's more like a mortgage than a bloody debt. It's not a question of whether taxes need to rise, it's a question of which taxes are going to rise.

So which taxes would you put up instead, bearing in mind sales tax increases produce a lot of revenue?

I vote for raising the tax on politicians' income and assets by about 500%. Retroactive to about 6 generations.


Excellent idea. I fear though that it wouldn't really raise very much - in comparison with the debt they have run up.


The problem is the regressive nature of sales tax. Fucking the poor to pay down the national debt isn't very nice.
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Postby Wage Slave » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:28 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
Wage Slave wrote:
Yokohammer wrote:
Wage Slave wrote:
Takechanpoo wrote:they carried out consumption tax increase JUST FOR the bureaucrats of ministry of finance just because its the ministrys long-run policy.


And that's just because the MoF has a responsibility for the whopping debt successive governments have run up. What's it now about 230% of GDP? That's more like a mortgage than a bloody debt. It's not a question of whether taxes need to rise, it's a question of which taxes are going to rise.

So which taxes would you put up instead, bearing in mind sales tax increases produce a lot of revenue?

I vote for raising the tax on politicians' income and assets by about 500%. Retroactive to about 6 generations.


Excellent idea. I fear though that it wouldn't really raise very much - in comparison with the debt they have run up.


The problem is the regressive nature of sales tax. Fucking the poor to pay down the national debt isn't very nice.


That's very true. But luckily most people are ignorant of that, so they tend to accept it more readily than other taxes. Collection is fairly easy and the sums raised are enormous. And if you are a right wing government you don't care about regressive taxation - In fact you think it is more moral than progressive taxes as everyone pays the same marginal rate and striving/working harder isn't disincentivised.
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby dimwit » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:31 pm

So our new Education Minister is a pro wrestler. Glad to know we are going to have someone like that around to eliminate the humanities programmes at universities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshi_Hase

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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Takechanpoo » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:03 pm

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as for him, he is ex-high school japanese teacher.

if all human science departments are abolished in national univs, it will just save a drop in the bucket of the budget.
what truely they should first is to eliminate useless low-level universities which eat far more subsidies every year.
the faculties of humanities in natinal univs are the last stronghold of liberals/leftwingers in this country.
abe admins real aim is to sweep them away all.
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Russell » Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:35 am

Japan to honor 89 foreign nationals including Rumsfeld

The Japanese government will bestow decorations this autumn on 3,964 of the country’s most distinguished citizens and separately confer orders on a record 89 foreigners from 38 countries and territories including former U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, the government said Tuesday.

Rumsfeld, 83, and former European Council President Herman Van Rompuy, 68, will receive the Grand Cordon of the Order of the Rising Sun.

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The award ceremony will be held on Nov 5 at the Imperial Palace, with Emperor Akihito and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in attendance.

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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Takechanpoo » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:25 pm

cant find enlgish version

Krugman lose confidence in BOJ's inflation accelerated ability
Paul Krugman is seems to have changed his mind now become.

Krugman when Mr. you lecture at a meeting of IMF sponsored by six days to 11, 2011, "forward guidance there are only very limited participants in economy
It showed the view that "to function only in the case. If promise further in a form that can be trusted that it "is an irresponsible,
After the idea that can solve the problem automatically is too optimistic. It is the case that he said is not "to be so (WSJ).

Krugman said has been advocated that it is necessary "to get credit to take irresponsible behavior in the future" up to now.
That is for the market, the Bank of Japan is bold monetary easing, more carefully to it shall not, it is had claimed that they should give a surprise, such as into believing the move to inflation accelerated.

"Krugman in 1998 to build a theoretical model for the non-traditional monetary policy, we have presented the prescription to the liquidity trap.
Specifically, in terms of the Japanese economy at that time was pointed out that based on lack of demand in the zero interest rate, in order to overcome deflation,
By monetary policy, the money supply significantly increased, it was argued that there is no way other than to negatively enough real interest rates by increasing the inflation expectations. "

The above is part of the lecture contents of the Bank of Japan President Kuroda of June 2014. On top of that, the introduction of "quantitative and qualitative monetary easing" is,
It has a "Krugman is what was practice a mechanism that is common to the theory by Mr. Professor and Woodford professors and Egatoson".
That Krugman has become a bold monetary easing idea source, it referred to as another dimension relaxation,
The idea has become dressed admitted that an error themselves. This can be said also as the incident for the Bank of Japan

Background people can call also the guru the idea of ​​reflation faction in the abenomics is was questioned.
This Krugman's change of heart is, and that the impact on prices by different dimension relaxation of the Bank of Japan did not appear,
QE of FRB also that it was no prompting a rise in prices, or will the results the results of the grand social experiment has admitted that did not out.
However, FRB has already started to proceed towards the exit, it's trying to Hakaro to repair the excessive part by experiment.
In contrast the Bank of Japan is in the situation that you are no longer hamstrung. Here, the Bank of Japan the question remains of whether leave is achievement even if the further easing, but
If you want to take the next action of thinking impact on the at least the market, more than a person has changed the way of thinking that said that the guru of reflation faction,
Bank of Japan also I think that should change the reflation specific policy. Of the one I would not have the time has come to be changed to a flexible monetary policy to expand it 'return policy objectives in interest rates.

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http://jp.wsj.com/articles/SB1102194244 ... 2400283544

Abe=Krugnomics got buried by the exponent........
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby wagyl » Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:10 pm

And the English got buried by a paywall (as did the Japanese) http://www.wsj.com/articles/krugman-los ... 1447050252
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby kurogane » Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:41 am

Russell wrote:
Yet another war criminal honored by the emperor.


I aqgree, but how much information about this is truly a known known. There may be some known unknowns and some unknown knowns that have influenced the decision in ways that cannot be known. I kind of feel for the Emperor himself having to pander to scum like that.
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Yokohammer » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:15 am

Abenomics not working so well after all ...

Japan plunges into recession, in defeat for Abe’s growth efforts

The economy contracted in the third quarter on sluggish business investment, confirming what many economists had predicted: The nation fell into its second recession since Prime Minister Shinzo Abe took office in December 2012.

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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby kurogane » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:23 am

Yeah, just read that. I wonder if rather prescient concerns like that were not a part of his motivation for the snap election call last year. That gave him 4 more years to go, but not so many arrows left there, Shin-chan............ :cry2: It really is a monumental task, so I am happy to give him 3 or so years to work at it, but probably like you I don't actually think he is up to the task, or even truly sincere about achieving it. I think he and his quite like it the way it is, not a lot unlike the US, UK, or even Canada until last month (we got a shiny new PM at the election). I am assuming here that "sluggish business investment" is a fancy way of saying corporate cash hoarding? Whomever could that possibly benefit? :roll:

Anyways, condolences to all concerned
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Takechanpoo » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:38 pm

after all japan was used as a guinea pig to test Kurgmans economic theory.
does not this jewish dude take any responsibility for it?
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Postby Wage Slave » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:32 pm

Stop trying to blame foreigners you dummy. And change.
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby dimwit » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:18 am

Okay, so let's take stock of the last six years annual GDP figures for Japan:

2009 -5.5%
2010 4.7%
2011 -0.5%
2012 1.8%
2013 1.6%
2014 -0.1%
2015 0.1 (so far)

So during the adminstration of the DPJ from August 2009 to December 2012 growth averaged about 1.2% despite having the worst natural disaster to hit Japan during the past half century. The LDP since 2012 has averaged a growth rate of 0.4% despite having no opposition and no major problems. So why is it that I keep on hearing hamsters claiming that the LDP is running the economy so much better than the DPJ did?
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Takechanpoo » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:36 pm

Front National wanna be LDP and make France something like Japan :lol:
- In Japan, you can not get the nationality just because he only was born in the country. Dual citizenship is also illegal.

"What we seek is exactly such a system. This is the abolition of the birthplace principle.
French, either born from French parent, only or naturalized in France
Naturalization itself does not deny, but it's necessary to have the mind not to commit a sin for it, to respect a
regulation and the values, to share French culture and to do destiny together"

"Previously Front National was likened to right-wing organizations in Japan.
But the partys policy is close to the Liberal Democratic Party of Mr. Abe Shinzo now"

http://www.asahi.com/articles/DA3S11571312.html
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby Russell » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:21 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:Front National wanna be LDP and make France something like Japan :lol:
- In Japan, you can not get the nationality just because he only was born in the country. Dual citizenship is also illegal.

"What we seek is exactly such a system. This is the abolition of the birthplace principle.
French, either born from French parent, only or naturalized in France
Naturalization itself does not deny, but it's necessary to have the mind not to commit a sin for it, to respect a
regulation and the values, to share French culture and to do destiny together"

"Previously Front National was likened to right-wing organizations in Japan.
But the partys policy is close to the Liberal Democratic Party of Mr. Abe Shinzo now"

http://www.asahi.com/articles/DA3S11571312.html

If double nationalities are not allowed, they cannot take away French nationality from extremists, because then they would become stateless, which is against international law.

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Postby Mock Cockpit » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:26 pm

As if individual countries can decide who is a dual citizen and who's not. The whole idea is absurd.
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Postby Wage Slave » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:59 pm

Mock Cockpit wrote:As if individual countries can decide who is a dual citizen and who's not. The whole idea is absurd.


Tell that to Havill. They can, somewhat imperfectly, by demanding that you relinquish any other citizenship if you want to remain a citizen. Of course, pretty much all countries grant you the right to reclaim your citizenship if you relinquished it for the purpose of gaining or retaining another citizenship so in the final analysis I agree with you.

According to Havill, a modern country rightly determined on maintaining a strictly monogamous relationship with its citizens can detect and police anyone who dares take up their right. Even if true, the right still exists of course and can be exercised at any time.
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Re: "Japan's Abe Is the World's Best Leader"

Postby wagyl » Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:58 am

Wage Slave wrote:
Mock Cockpit wrote:As if individual countries can decide who is a dual citizen and who's not. The whole idea is absurd.


Tell that to Havill. They can, somewhat imperfectly, by demanding that you relinquish any other citizenship if you want to remain a citizen. Of course, pretty much all countries grant you the right to reclaim your citizenship if you relinquished it for the purpose of gaining or retaining another citizenship so in the final analysis I agree with you.

According to Havill, a modern country rightly determined on maintaining a strictly monogamous relationship with its citizens can detect and police anyone who dares take up their right. Even if true, the right still exists of course and can be exercised at any time.

Surely the country making that rule is reserving the right to deny you your nationality of that country, if it discovers that you have another nationality. I do agree that it goes little deeper than that: I doubt that any country is actively investigating whether anyone has an alternative nationality, but if something comes up and they are made aware of it, they can demand that you hand back their passport.

The concept of multiple citizenship is very recent. Divided loyalties are rarely tolerated. At the very least it leads to issues of troubles in country C, where individual X has nationality of country A and country B, and the consulates of country A and country B have different diplomatic agendas and the question arises: which consulate has to look after individual X? Let alone the inability of country A to act in country B in relation to individual X. I think it is easier to say that the whole idea of multiple citizenship is absurd. Handy for some individuals, but a headache for nation states.

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Postby kurogane » Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:23 am

Mock Cockpit wrote:As if individual countries can decide who is a dual citizen and who's not. The whole idea is absurd.


Maybe I am not getting what you're getting at, but isn't that one of the things countries do? Japan does not recognise dual nationality, therefore if you are found to hold another citizenship you are in danger of not being considered Japanese. Or, according to the omniscient denizens of 2CH you instantly become no longer Japanese when you take another. FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which would be quite a surprise to my many friends that hold 2 passports. Or is this just Loveable Lefty Hands Across the Water in a World Without Borders (GUSH!) stuff?

I think we went over this once, with Havill, but if I surrender my Cdn passport there can't be many ways for the Jpn to determine if I am still considered a Cdn citizen, allowing that my Oath of Relinquishment would potentially be a fraud unless it means abandonment rather than active renunciation. I guess WS's idea of getting it back later is the preferable tactic.

Wagyl,
Well put. We just had tons of fun with that Cdn-Egyptian journalist with Al-Jazeera who got arrested while still an Egyptian then complained bitterly the Cdns don't protect their citizens while abroad. Even though he never should have been arreested and held anyways.
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Postby Yokohammer » Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:25 am

wagyl wrote:... I think it is easier to say that the whole idea of multiple citizenship is absurd. ...

I was always under the impression that it was a European thing, allowing a bit more mobility around Europe in the days before the EU. Makes sense too, because in that part of the world, particularly if you live near a border, you might need to pop back and forth between connected nations multiple times a day. As the world got "smaller" it sort of spread.

I don't remember learning that as fact, it's just the way I interpreted the situation.
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