'Auslander raus!'

[kurogane]

Oooh!! That could be fun. Do let's remember they aren't saying Muslims have to eat pork, as there are alternative menu options available already. Which is why this measure is so childish, or Quebec-ish. It was never a problem anyways. I've only met 2 Muslims that objected to the presence of pork on school menus, and they were both raging A'holes long before religious practice came into it. The real problem came when the Vancouver cat ladies suggested their opinions mattered.

[TennoChinko]

The Danish are getting even more pigheaded!!!

Danish town makes pork mandatory in public institutions
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 685557.cms

Hysteric as it sounds, there is a precedent of acceding to heathen rebellion, which only encourages them to think they matter:

In 2013, then-Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt lashed out at some nurseries after they started serving halal-butchered meat instead of pork because Muslim children had refused to eat it.

I kind of like the psychological warfare aspect ("Welcome......and BTW, fuck your primitive beliefs and customs"), but since there were already menu alternatives available this seems so childish it would satisfy a Quebecois separatist.

Here's the funny thing ... many people forget -just for a moment- that eating pork is also forbidden for observants Jews. However, perhaps that's also because Danish Jews (and they do exist .. about 6 or 7 thousand or just over 0.1% of the population) aren't freaking out screaming bloody murder, accusing the Danes of anti-Semitism & declaring Jewish Jihad. And, same goes with countries where there a lot more Jews in both absolute & relative numbers w/r total population ... the UK and Australia where a significant number of their Jihadistani cousins (several degree removed) demand Halal menus at fast food restaurants ("Love Ali, Serve Only Allah") and even attempts to get Sharia law in countries like Canada (failed though it appears - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Islamic_Congress ) ...

Jimmy Carr on 'offensive jokes' and 'taking offense' ...plus other funny shit.

[kurogane]

Yup. I grew up as a token goy, and never heard a word about my bacon habit. To be fair to the sand monkeys, freaky Jews have been making noises lately in Canada, but they get shouted down by the normal ones. I put it down to the presumption of multiculturalism. They have been led to believe that I and others give a shit about heathen BS.

[Coligny]

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Here's the funny thing ... many people forget -just for a moment- that eating pork is also forbidden for observants Jews.
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Ehhhh...

Nope... But you need to actually hang out with them jews instead of white knighting against "antisemaiiiiiite" everytime someone say 'israel ' within earshot to make you feel good...

[Samurai_Jerk]

Refugees Arriving in the UK Are Being Forced to Wear Red Wristbands at All Times

Authorities have issued refugees in the city of Cardiff, the capital of Wales, mandatory red wristbands that "they must wear at all times," reports the Guardian.

According to the Guardian's report, asylum-seekers being resettled in the region by a contract company named Clearsprings Ready Homes are told taking off the wristbands will result in them being denied food.

Much like a similar controversy that emerged in recent weeks after asylum-seekers in the English town of Middlesborough complained a subcontractor painted each of their homes' doors red, the migrants told the Guardian the wristbands exposed them to harassment and abuse by Cardiff's less welcoming citizens.

"On the road we had to walk down there is often heavy traffic," Eric Ngalle, a former resident at the city's Lynx House for new arrivals, told the paper. "Sometimes drivers would see our wristbands, start honking their horns and shout out of the window, 'Go back to your country.' Some people made terrible remarks to us."

Another person who lived at Lynx House, Sudanese human rights activist Mogdad Abdeen, told the Guardian, "We are made to feel that we are second-class humans. People in Lynx House are scared of meeting new people in case they see the wristband and give them problems."

[Coligny]

well not too creative them Brittz...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I realize this story emanates from the Grauniad, but surely it has to be the Onion? This is fucking ludicrous.

[Wage Slave]

It sort of is and isn't. The same is done at concerts and festivals to easily and cheaply control/account for who has access to what, where and when. I can see that that is necessary if you are in the process of providing free food, clothes, shelter and other goods to people.

In true private enterprise fashion though they didn't consider or value that wearing a non-removable band at a festival is a badge of status whereas in this situation it is a mark of stigma. Chalk up another victory for the private sector and outsourcing.

[Samurai_Jerk]

If only there were some way to issue a card or something that easily fit in a person's wallet and could be shown to prove their identity when necessary.

[Yokohammer]

If only there were some way to issue a card or something that easily fit in a person's wallet and could be shown to prove their identity when necessary.

Get real SJ.
These outlandish, futuristic ideas of yours will never catch on.

[Wage Slave]

If only there were some way to issue a card or something that easily fit in a person's wallet and could be shown to prove their identity when necessary.

Get real SJ.
These outlandish, futuristic ideas of yours will never catch on.

Indeed. However, their thinking was no doubt that:

1. An ID card takes time and costs money to create.
2. They take time (and therefore money) to check someone other than the holder isn't using it.
3. Unless it's an expensive card they are easily forged and a forgery will pass anything but a thorough check.
4. People will say they have forgotten/lost/had their card stolen when asked to present it. Do you still give them their meal?

I can see why some manager thought it was an ideal and cheap solution - as long as you ignore the stigma attached to it.

[Yokohammer]

If only there were some way to issue a card or something that easily fit in a person's wallet and could be shown to prove their identity when necessary.

Get real SJ.
These outlandish, futuristic ideas of yours will never catch on.

Indeed. However, their thinking was no doubt that:

1. An ID card takes time and costs money to create.
2. They take time (and therefore money) to check someone other than the holder isn't using it.
3. Unless it's an expensive card they are easily forged and a forgery will pass anything but a thorough check.
4. People will say they have forgotten/lost/had their card stolen when asked to present it. Do you still give them their meal?

I can see why some manager thought it was an ideal and cheap solution - as long as you ignore the stigma attached to it.

I wonder if anyone suggested tattooing a number on their wrists ...

[Wage Slave]

If only there were some way to issue a card or something that easily fit in a person's wallet and could be shown to prove their identity when necessary.

Get real SJ.
These outlandish, futuristic ideas of yours will never catch on.

Indeed. However, their thinking was no doubt that:

1. An ID card takes time and costs money to create.
2. They take time (and therefore money) to check someone other than the holder isn't using it.
3. Unless it's an expensive card they are easily forged and a forgery will pass anything but a thorough check.
4. People will say they have forgotten/lost/had their card stolen when asked to present it. Do you still give them their meal?

I can see why some manager thought it was an ideal and cheap solution - as long as you ignore the stigma attached to it.

I wonder if anyone suggested tattooing a number on their wrists ...

Point taken. The trouble with private enterprise culture is that it exists in a bit of a moral vacuum. Unless there is a specific law against something or something can be priced and found too expensive there is no strong reason not to do that thing. In fact, even if there is a law or regulation against something, if there is a way to skirt it or a way to test the limits of it then a manager will be rewarded for doing it if it either reduces costs or brings in income.

[Samurai_Jerk]

If only there were some way to issue a card or something that easily fit in a person's wallet and could be shown to prove their identity when necessary.

Get real SJ.
These outlandish, futuristic ideas of yours will never catch on.

Indeed. However, their thinking was no doubt that:

1. An ID card takes time and costs money to create.
2. They take time (and therefore money) to check someone other than the holder isn't using it.
3. Unless it's an expensive card they are easily forged and a forgery will pass anything but a thorough check.
4. People will say they have forgotten/lost/had their card stolen when asked to present it. Do you still give them their meal?

I can see why some manager thought it was an ideal and cheap solution - as long as you ignore the stigma attached to it.

I wonder if anyone suggested tattooing a number on their wrists ...

Point taken. The trouble with private enterprise culture is that it exists in a bit of a moral vacuum. Unless there is a specific law against something or something can be priced and found too expensive there is no strong reason not to do that thing. In fact, even if there is a law or regulation against something, if there is a way to skirt it or a way to test the limits of it then a manager will be rewarded for doing it if it either reduces costs or brings in income.

Is the government of the UK not requiring refugees to have some form of ID?

[Yokohammer]

Point taken. The trouble with private enterprise culture is that it exists in a bit of a moral vacuum. Unless there is a specific law against something or something can be priced and found too expensive there is no strong reason not to do that thing. In fact, even if there is a law or regulation against something, if there is a way to skirt it or a way to test the limits of it then a manager will be rewarded for doing it if it either reduces costs or brings in income.

Yeah, I actually understand (or think I understand) how things like this happen. There's a huge, sudden rush of immigrants, some of who are causing problems, and you have to figure out how to deal with it, like now. You're spending public money on it too. No time for leisurely thought or discussion. Fix it now.

Half-baked measures are pretty much inevitable.

[Russell]

If only there were some way to issue a card or something that easily fit in a person's wallet and could be shown to prove their identity when necessary.

Get real SJ.
These outlandish, futuristic ideas of yours will never catch on.

Indeed. However, their thinking was no doubt that:

1. An ID card takes time and costs money to create.
2. They take time (and therefore money) to check someone other than the holder isn't using it.
3. Unless it's an expensive card they are easily forged and a forgery will pass anything but a thorough check.
4. People will say they have forgotten/lost/had their card stolen when asked to present it. Do you still give them their meal?

I can see why some manager thought it was an ideal and cheap solution - as long as you ignore the stigma attached to it.

I wonder if anyone suggested tattooing a number on their wrists ...

Or chipping them...

[Wage Slave]

If only there were some way to issue a card or something that easily fit in a person's wallet and could be shown to prove their identity when necessary.

Get real SJ.
These outlandish, futuristic ideas of yours will never catch on.

Indeed. However, their thinking was no doubt that:

1. An ID card takes time and costs money to create.
2. They take time (and therefore money) to check someone other than the holder isn't using it.
3. Unless it's an expensive card they are easily forged and a forgery will pass anything but a thorough check.
4. People will say they have forgotten/lost/had their card stolen when asked to present it. Do you still give them their meal?

I can see why some manager thought it was an ideal and cheap solution - as long as you ignore the stigma attached to it.

I wonder if anyone suggested tattooing a number on their wrists ...

Point taken. The trouble with private enterprise culture is that it exists in a bit of a moral vacuum. Unless there is a specific law against something or something can be priced and found too expensive there is no strong reason not to do that thing. In fact, even if there is a law or regulation against something, if there is a way to skirt it or a way to test the limits of it then a manager will be rewarded for doing it if it either reduces costs or brings in income.

Is the government of the UK not requiring refugees to have some form of ID?

No. HMG is not in the business of issuing ID cards or documents. Even passports are formally a travel document rather than an ID document even though they are widely accepted as such. Asylum seekers have either a national passport stamped/endorsed with their status or sometimes just a document showing their name and that they have claimed asylum. If someone is accepted as a refugee they may have a UN passport, may have a national passport endorsed with their status or may have a British passport if they have had time to complete Naturalisation formalities. Those formalities are more strict and take longer than in the past.

There is a strong aversion to the government requiring people to register for ID cards and a strong aversion to being required to carry them and produce them on demand. Rightly or wrongly it is seen as an important civil liberties issue, a defense against dictatorship and something that smacks of wartime exigency. Various government ministers from both main parties have tried to introduce ID cards in various guises to the system and they have all failed in the face of strong opposition from many quarters.

Personally I think it is a bit irrational and that the simple absence of an ID card doesn't guarantee any freedoms - However I am in a minority. Anyway, even if refugees had official ID cards, requiring them to take it out, show it and inspecting it many times a day is an imposition in itself and terribly time consuming. Companies solve the problem by requiring all employees to wear their ID round their neck at all times, festival organisers use non removable coloured bracelets. There is no issue with this because there is no stigma.

[Wage Slave]

Point taken. The trouble with private enterprise culture is that it exists in a bit of a moral vacuum. Unless there is a specific law against something or something can be priced and found too expensive there is no strong reason not to do that thing. In fact, even if there is a law or regulation against something, if there is a way to skirt it or a way to test the limits of it then a manager will be rewarded for doing it if it either reduces costs or brings in income.

Yeah, I actually understand (or think I understand) how things like this happen. There's a huge, sudden rush of immigrants, some of who are causing problems, and you have to figure out how to deal with it, like now. You're spending public money on it too. No time for leisurely thought or discussion. Fix it now.

Half-baked measures are pretty much inevitable.

Yep exactly. Except of course that the managers doing this weren't really under pressure to be careful with public money - they were under pressure to be careful with their company's money. The government contracts a price per refugee, per day and that's what they pay. Any costs avoided/controlled or money spent goes directly to the company's profit margin.

[Wage Slave]

And predictably Katie can't see what all the fuss is about ..

If Britain is prepared to provide an all-inclusive resort service for asylum seekers, the least they can do is wear a bloody wristband

....

The Great British Asylum seekers have landed on their feet here in the land of plenty – El Dorado – because all they need to do to get hold of free food and drink throughout the day is show a red band. Just as with any holiday booking they can even choose between self-catering options, with a supermarket cash card thrown in for free, or full board – served just a short stroll from their accommodation. All they have to do is show their wristband. And it's theirs for the taking.

More here if you must..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3416052/KATIE-HOPKINS-Britain-prepared-provide-inclusive-resort-service-asylum-seekers-wear-bloody-wristband.html

[kurogane]

I don't think there should be any complaints at all about making refugees comply with management procedures and protocols that ensure they are what they claim, and as a happy effect may even discourage the whinier entitlement junkies from coming in the first place. The problem here is they are being stigmatised in public, which I think is downright ungracious, wot wot. The key to successfuly managing this horde is to promote rapid and peacable integration into normal life wherever they might happen to be kept, and giving them the Scarlet Letter routine cannot help.

Good points there, WS, about the relentless bureaucratic logic that was probably behind this idiotic arrangement: never assume malice where blind stupidity is more probable.

[Mike Oxlong]

Sweden prepares to deport 80,000 of last year's migrants
The Latest: Dutch Working on Plan to Accept 250,000 Refugees

[Russell]

Sweden prepares to deport 80,000 of last year's migrants
The Latest: Dutch Working on Plan to Accept 250,000 Refugees

Headlines sound more radical than they are.

Many asylum seekers are not refugees, like Moroccans, so nothing special the Swedes do. The Dutch and other countries in the EU do the same.

Dutch working on plan to accept 250,000 refugees... into a core group of EU countries.

[Mike Oxlong]

[Mike Oxlong]

Angela Merkel Diagnosed by Psychoanalyst as ‘Narcissistic’, Verging on ‘Mental Breakdown’

One of Germany’s most celebrated psychoanalysts has said the refusal of Chancellor Angela Merkel to reverse her “completely irrational” migrant policy is evidence of a potential “mental breakdown” that endangers society.

Hans-Joachim Maaz, a German psychiatrist, psychoanalyst and best-selling author, was speaking with Huffington Post Germany when he suggested a “stubborn” Angela Merkel has “lost touch with reality”.

According to Mr. Maaz, the German Chancellor suffers from “narcissism” brought on by people lauding her position as ‘mother of the nation’ and most powerful woman in the world, and calling for her to have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. He says the “artificially inflated self-image” she labours under leads to the “stubborn attitude” on display by her during the ongoing migrant crisis.

Mr. Maaz claimed that Mrs. Merkel has not, in fact, taken any difficult decisions or displayed genuine leadership. In his opinion she reacts to situations rather than leads, something which testifies to her uncertainty and an underlying lack of self-worth.

The result of this, he says, is that she tends to make “emotional” decisions which meet immediate popular approval instead of making difficult but rational moves. By way of example he cites first Mrs. Merkel policy of phasing out nuclear power after the Fukushima nuclear disaster, a decision she took knowing most Germans backed the move.

The second “emotional” decision she took was to open Germany’s borders to Syrian migrants. Although met with worldwide approval as a “great humanitarian gesture” it was actually poorly thought through, as hindsight confirms. Now her refusal to move represents a danger to Germany.

Mr. Maaz confirmed that overachievers such as Mrs. Merkel, often suffer from “self-esteem deficit, inferiority and insecurity”.

That is not a problem when sufferers enjoy success and recognition, but it does lead to hubris and immunity to criticism which means that when things go wrong people can become prone to “loneliness” and “mental breakdown”. He sees no reason why Mrs. Merkel would react any differently, adding “a psychological or psychosomatic collapse is imminent.”

With ever more defiant reactions to criticism seeing the Chancellor “digging her heels in” rather than change course, Mr. Maaz diagnoses a very real risk to Germany, saying that by insisting on sticking with policies which no longer enjoy the support of a majority, she contributes to the breakdown of German society.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01 ... breakdown/

[Mike Oxlong]

Rapefugees invade Japan

[Tsuru]

But we have rapists too!*

(*a familiar, unironic argument used very frequently over here in Yurop by people who should know better)

At least in this case they can be sure of a speedily return to their native lands, and/or time in a Japanese prison. In Europe the first is usually subject to a incredible and unrelenting amount of handwringing and then a whole lot of nothing, and time in a western European prison is considered to be the easiest time in the world. Oh well... I guess Japan will never be a hot destination for handout-seekers.

[Takechanpoo]

when i see some westerners hate muslims and lump them together by selective abstraction or begging the question, i understand what j-netouyos are considered by non-japanese. actually whats the difference between them? eh?

[Samurai_Jerk]

But we have rapists too!

The question is should you keep out all or most refugees because some commit crimes. In other words it depends on whether this is a trend among refugees or this is the type of isolated incident that will happen among any population. Both sides tend to oversimplify the situation.

[Wage Slave]

when i see some westerners hate muslims and lump them together by selective abstraction or begging the question, i understand what j-netouyos are considered by non-japanese. actually whats the difference between them? eh?

Yes, exactly right. The only thing that baffles me is if you have this kind of insight, why do you talk such nonsense on other occasions?

Tsuru, when you find yourself getting told off by Tacky for spouting racist garbage then it's time for a little reflection.

[Samurai_Jerk]

It reminds me of this argument between Bill O'Reilly and Geraldo about an illegal alien that killed someone in a drunk driving accident.