'Auslander raus!'

[Mike Oxlong]

when i see some westerners hate muslims and lump them together by selective abstraction or begging the question, i understand what j-netouyos are considered by non-japanese. actually whats the difference between them? eh?

Yes, exactly right. The only thing that baffles me is if you have this kind of insight, why do you talk such nonsense on other occasions?

Tsuru, when you find yourself getting told off by Tacky for spouting racist garbage then it's time for a little reflection.

I'm not sure being told off by the FG version of Lambchop is much of a good reason to suddenly start soul searching.

[Wage Slave]

Who or what is Lambchop?

[Mike Oxlong]

My sincere apologies for missing the open space between words.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_Chop_(puppet)

[Wage Slave]

Oh, I see. Thanks - actually a bit better with two words methinks. Anyway, you may well be right but it doesn't really matter. All of us on here are exercising a bit of an alter ego - Some much more than others.

[Mike Oxlong]

Certainly so, me no exception, but one of us has taken the liberty of using a sock puppet to argue the unpopular, then perhaps occasionally argue from the other side as an FG OB. More peevish than the "but I was drunk" shitck.

[Tsuru]

when i see some westerners hate muslims and lump them together by selective abstraction or begging the question, i understand what j-netouyos are considered by non-japanese. actually whats the difference between them? eh?

Yes, exactly right. The only thing that baffles me is if you have this kind of insight, why do you talk such nonsense on other occasions?

Tsuru, when you find yourself getting told off by Tacky for spouting racist garbage then it's time for a little reflection.

My biggest problem by a mile, is that when things like these happen, they are invariably accompanied with reports of absolutely no contrition on the part of the perpetrators. Quite the opposite. When you start reading into the reports about what happened in Europe on new years' day, the rape epidemic in Sweden, and even individual scandals like Rotherham, there is a clear and very disturbing pattern visible where some muslim men consider it perfectly OK to commit the most barbaric acts of sexual violence against non-muslim women. They even brag about it when they are amongst themselves and they think no outsiders are listening. Even the wives and the mothers of these men don't care if some white woman gets felt up or even raped. Think I am exaggerating? Just go read all the gory details about what happened in Rotherham, It will make your blood run cold.

We've tried the humane approach to help them fix their problems fitting in (joblessness, high crime, etc) for over 30 years, but as a group they are very determined to set themselves apart from the rest of society because they consider their ways to be vastly superior to ours. They make it abundantly clear that while they live here and were born here, there is a palpable undercurrent of hate and they wouldn't hesitate a second to finish the job their ancestors failed to complete centuries ago because we had the good sense at the time to stop them at Poitiers and Vienna. Except this time its done from within, street by street.
About 15 years ago there was a report from the CIA (?) where they called the islamisation (their words, not mine) of Europe the greatest single threat facing the continent this century. At the time I thought it was a load of horseshit.

For all of you who want to call people out for being "racist" against a particular religion (now go back and read that sentence one more time), move to any neighborhood in any European city where where white europeans are a minority (this isn't just the famous ghettos... far from it), preferably with a pretty wife and a few sweet, adorable kids and then report back to me. Hell, open a shop while you're at it. But of course, you would never do that.
I am not religious myself, nor are the people close to me. I have absolutely no problem with people anyone practicing any religion in the privacy or their own home or in their place of worship. I do have a problem with people trying to impose their personal beliefs on the people around them. It stinks of fascism.

[Russell]

when i see some westerners hate muslims and lump them together by selective abstraction or begging the question, i understand what j-netouyos are considered by non-japanese. actually whats the difference between them? eh?

Yes, exactly right. The only thing that baffles me is if you have this kind of insight, why do you talk such nonsense on other occasions?

Tsuru, when you find yourself getting told off by Tacky for spouting racist garbage then it's time for a little reflection.

My biggest problem by a mile, is that when things like these happen, they are invariably accompanied with reports of absolutely no contrition on the part of the perpetrators. Quite the opposite. When you start reading into the reports about what happened in Europe on new years' day, the rape epidemic in Sweden, and even individual scandals like Rotherham, there is a clear and very disturbing pattern visible where some muslim men consider it perfectly OK to commit the most barbaric acts of sexual violence against non-muslim women. They even brag about it when they are amongst themselves and they think no outsiders are listening. Even the wives and the mothers of these men don't care if some white woman gets felt up or even raped. Think I am exaggerating? Just go read all the gory details about what happened in Rotherham, It will make your blood run cold.

We've tried the humane approach to help them fix their problems fitting in (joblessness, high crime, etc) for over 30 years, but as a group they are very determined to set themselves apart from the rest of society because they consider their ways to be vastly superior to ours. They make it abundantly clear that while they live here and were born here, there is a palpable undercurrent of hate and they wouldn't hesitate a second to finish the job their ancestors failed to complete centuries ago because we had the good sense at the time to stop them at Poitiers and Vienna. Except this time its done from within, street by street.
About 15 years ago there was a report from the CIA (?) where they called the islamisation (their words, not mine) of Europe the greatest single threat facing the continent this century. At the time I thought it was a load of horseshit.

For all of you who want to call people out for being "racist" against a particular religion (now go back and read that sentence one more time), move to any neighborhood in any European city where where white europeans are a minority (this isn't just the famous ghettos... far from it), preferably with a pretty wife and a few sweet, adorable kids and then report back to me. Hell, open a shop while you're at it. But of course, you would never do that.
I am not religious myself, nor are the people close to me. I have absolutely no problem with people anyone practicing any religion in the privacy or their own home or in their place of worship. I do have a problem with people trying to impose their personal beliefs on the people around them. It stinks of fascism.

I am completely with you there.

But this religious intolerance does not only come from the people you are referring to.

I remember an Iranian friend living in a very-Christian village somewhere on the Veluwe (=part of the Dutch bible belt), who washed his car on a Sunday. Guess what? He was told to stop it because it was the day of the Lord. I am pretty sure if he wouldn't have obeyed their orders he would have gotten a brick through his window, or something similar, because that is the custom among those people.

So, I conclude that the Lord should abolish all religions...

[wagyl]

Good evening! Devil's Advocate here! I can't help reading these posts with a little devil on my shoulder whispering in my ear, and modifying them.

My biggest problem by a mile, is that when things like these happen, they are invariably accompanied with reports of absolutely no contrition on the part of the perpetrators. Quite the opposite. When you start reading into the reports Edit: in the more private corners of FG, there is a clear and very disturbing pattern visible where some gaijin men consider it perfectly OK to commit the most barbaric acts of sexual objectification of Japanese women. They even brag about it when they are amongst themselves and they think no outsiders are listening.


And back to the topic at hand...
...they consider their ways to be vastly superior to ours. When in truth, of course, our ways are vastly superior to theirs.

[Coligny]

Certainly so, me no exception, but one of us has taken the liberty of using a sock puppet to argue the unpopular, then perhaps occasionally argue from the other side as an FG OB. More peevish than the "but I was drunk" shitck.

Mistery deepens...

[Wage Slave]

But of course, you would never do that.

On the contrary. I lived and worked in several Muslim countries for well over 10 years. I worked in a college in London where they were the majority of the students were Muslims for many years. I lived, with a wife and daughter (not sure I'd call either pretty it just gives them ideas) just down the road from the Finsbury Park Mosque during its most radicalized period. There was no particular problem with Muslim men and sexual harassment or violence.

So you would have me believe that it is the merest co-incidence that the Muslims you fear so look different? You feel exactly the same way about Kosovars because it is the religion that makes them despicable not their ethnicity?

There is some evidence of a particular problem with the latest wave of refugees. I don't believe that that stems from their religious beliefs or that they are in fact particularly religious. I think it is far more likely that it stems from the brutality, trauma and dehumanization they have experienced. That has amplified certain crude cultural male norms which are to be found in other cultures but are normally held in some kind of check by social pressure and the rule of law. I follow a UK electricians group on Facebook out of interest - quite a lot of the so called banter there represents exactly the sort of attitudes you so rightly despise among some refugees. While they banter away with each other they are also convinced of their vast moral superiority over Muslim males. Or at least the ones with darker skin than them.

[Wage Slave]

Good evening! Devil's Advocate here! I can't help reading these posts with a little devil on my shoulder whispering in my ear, and modifying them.

My biggest problem by a mile, is that when things like these happen, they are invariably accompanied with reports of absolutely no contrition on the part of the perpetrators. Quite the opposite. When you start reading into the reports Edit: in the more private corners of FG, there is a clear and very disturbing pattern visible where some gaijin men consider it perfectly OK to commit the most barbaric acts of sexual objectification of Japanese women. They even brag about it when they are amongst themselves and they think no outsiders are listening.


And back to the topic at hand...
...they consider their ways to be vastly superior to ours. When in truth, of course, our ways are vastly superior to theirs.

Indeed - I tried in my long winded way to say the same thing, but you have said in in a nutshell. I have much more respect for the anti immigrant brigade when they are honest and just say outright, "I don't like them. I don't like anything about them. In fact I hate them and everything about them and that's that so why should I have to put up with them?"

Answer being:

1. Not everyone agrees with you - many of us quite like them and get bored with meat and two veg. Many more don't have strong opinions either way and will happily rub along with them.
2. They want to work, pay taxes, rescue the pension system and do a good job of bringing up and educating their kids. Contrast and compare with far too many of the natives.
3. Never mind religion or political ideology - humanitarianism and tolerance are more important and much more the marks of a moral and advanced society.

[wagyl]

Certainly so, me no exception, but one of us has taken the liberty of using a sock puppet to argue the unpopular, then perhaps occasionally argue from the other side as an FG OB. More peevish than the "but I was drunk" shitck.

Mistery deepens...

Ooh, I missed this without Coligny drawing it to our attention.

Do you care to tell us more?
Please show your workings.

[matsuki]

So, I conclude that the Lord should abolish all religions...

Now that's a "lord" I can get behind....no sky fairies, less suicide attacks, less resistance to social progress.

[Tsuru]

On the contrary. I lived and worked in several Muslim countries for well over 10 years. I worked in a college in London where they were the majority of the students were Muslims for many years. I lived, with a wife and daughter (not sure I'd call either pretty it just gives them ideas) just down the road from the Finsbury Park Mosque during its most radicalized period. There was no particular problem with Muslim men and sexual harassment or violence.

So you would have me believe that it is the merest co-incidence that the Muslims you fear so look different? You feel exactly the same way about Kosovars because it is the religion that makes them despicable not their ethnicity?

Let's say my daughter one day would have a boyfriend who happened to be of middle-eastern origin. I am from a multi-ethnic background myself, and as long as it's her choice I would be absolutely fine with it. The problem is, if it is a serious relationship and it would come to an eventual marriage and children, his family would probably pressure him into converting her and the kids to islam as well. Now, why is that? Why can't they accept other people's beliefs as different? Why do we always have to yield to them? Unsurprisingly, not a lot of these relationships are created to begin with, and even fewer survive. In this way religous intolerance is an ever higher barrier than racism in society. Which is a real shame, because religion is at its core, just a choice.

There is some evidence of a particular problem with the latest wave of refugees. I don't believe that that stems from their religious beliefs or that they are in fact particularly religious. I think it is far more likely that it stems from the brutality, trauma and dehumanization they have experienced. That has amplified certain crude cultural male norms which are to be found in other cultures but are normally held in some kind of check by social pressure and the rule of law.

Absolutely agree. So putting them in the same school with all the other kids right off the bat is probably a mistake. The way Dutch schools are organised are a little different from the UK. From people I know who have seen both, the UK's are lot more organised and of course, there are the uniforms and the school lunches. Dutch schools are lot more... anarchic by comparison.

My experience as a nerdy kid with glasses in the most elite grammar school Rotterdam of the 1990s, was that a lot ot the Turkic boys we had in that school always banded together cornering people for no reason other than to intimidate, and one time went at each other with wooden table legs. I mean it wasn't exactly a jungle or anything, it was just fucking weird. I remember thinking if stuff like this happens at our school, how does anyone survive at any of the normal high schools? And as their numbers grow, so does the stuff that goes on. Apparently during ramadan we now have groups of muslim kids in secular schools "patrolling" to check people's food, and good help you if you have a ham sandwich that day. I just mean, what the fuck? I firmly believe that if you knowningly send your pasty white atheist kid to a school where you know over half the kids are moroccan or Turkish, you are liable for child abuse. This is no way to be growing up... you should be able to feel safe and focus on getting your education, not worry about roaming gangs of thugs trying to start 5-on-1 fights. Fortunately the educators at my kids' school are way more up to speed on this issue than their colleagues were during the 1990s.

[kurogane]

Hope Amongst the Ruins? From Refugees to Refusees

Balkan Countries Completely Seal Off Migrant Trail
Blocking of path comes as Turkey and European Union work to finish deal to stem crisis

http://www.wsj.com/articles/macedonia-c ... 1457521754

While they took their sweet time to close the gate this might help stem the tide and restore some sanity to the handling of the problem.

[Takechanpoo]

My experience as a nerdy kid with glasses in the most elite grammar school Rotterdam of the 1990s, was that a lot ot the Turkic boys we had in that school always banded together cornering people for no reason other than to intimidate, and one time went at each other with wooden table legs. I mean it wasn't exactly a jungle or anything, it was just fucking weird. I remember thinking if stuff like this happens at our school, how does anyone survive at any of the normal high schools? And as their numbers grow, so does the stuff that goes on. Apparently during ramadan we now have groups of muslim kids in secular schools "patrolling" to check people's food, and good help you if you have a ham sandwich that day. I just mean, what the fuck? I firmly believe that if you knowningly send your pasty white atheist kid to a school where you know over half the kids are moroccan or Turkish, you are liable for child abuse. This is no way to be growing up... you should be able to feel safe and focus on getting your education, not worry about roaming gangs of thugs trying to start 5-on-1 fights. Fortunately the educators at my kids' school are way more up to speed on this issue than their colleagues were during the 1990s.

it is applicable to what some z-korean have been doing in Japan in greater or lesser degrees since post war. furyo(yanki), bosozoku and yakuza have high percentage of them. its a valid reasoning via induction or just a combination of selective abstraction, fallacy of composition and begging the question.
which? eh?

[kurogane]

Yeah, I also heard lots of stories from my Z Korean friends about being bullied and ganged up on by their Japanese classmates and the neighbourhood J-trash. The thing to remember is that just because that sort of Yasukuni worthy behaviour sounds typically Japanese to a lot of us that have seen similar girlishness from J-men it doesn't mean that all or even most Japanese men are actually snivelling cowards that can only show backbone when in superior numbers with the odds stacked in their favour. If anything, it's probably just confirmation bias and bad luck. And that's from me, and I have played enough serious tennis, golf and soccer with Japanese to know just how many will resort to cheating if their victory looks less than assured. It might be a broader comment on the general lack of masculinity and that girlish skittishness so many display, but it seems unfair to accuse all Japanese men of being vicious little Nancy boys.

[Takechanpoo]

if you interview muslims origin ppl in europe, they too will insist the same kind of things about native europeans. ppl hold their toungue about something inconvenient for them.
empathy is imcompatible with rational judgement, especially in the case of directly connecting with self-preservation.
mostly "merciful" ppl, generally called liberals, tend to make much account of empathy formed by superficial poorness and easy to be cheated by it.

[kurogane]

Also, to make for remember, that which is also to that which is become because many are that which is few but not.
Sank you for make fan. I am too make encourage Google translate. It is to make many that which is not.　LOL, BFF
OMG!!!!!!!!!

ps Wage Slave will be translate

[Takechanpoo]

you better study more about what z-korean did in post-war era. they curried favor with US occupation army, got their weapons, organized their private armies, and stole the lands in front of train stations and the other ones, taking advandages of the fact temporarily no army and no police protecting j-ppls.
i recommend you to make friends with and heard a lot of damn stories from pure japanese old ppl, especially the ones of landlord families.

[Wage Slave]

Evidence? Always your Archilles' heel Tacky.

[Takechanpoo]

would you mind stop calling me tacky?
or you still persistently hold a grudge against me for making fool of english instructor? eh?

if you dont verify anything historical for no objective evidences like official documents, you should or have to take side with the j-"revisonist" side about the issues of comfort women and nanjin masscre etc.
you damn gaijin dudes do tend to be side with "poor-lookin" minorities, including z-korean just because of the "poor-looking" of theirs or probably because you want to revenge japan with them for your piled private grudeges toward japan.
well, thats the usual for you gaijin dudes, though.
empathy suppresses rational judgement, as i said above.

[Wage Slave]

So no evidence as usual then Tacky. Thought so.

[Coligny]

So no evidence as usual then Tacky. Thought so.

Think I just found his evidence...

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[Tsuru]

Not surprised at the land-grabbing, we had plenty of that over here both during and after the war. I would be surprised if any US servicemen just gave weapons to anyone who was friendly to them, though... but found or stolen weapons? Sure.

[kurogane]

Not surprised at the land-grabbing, we had plenty of that over here both during and after the war.

By Japanese from Koreans? Sure. Easily imagined. Like Take said? No, not a chance. Never happened, not once. Utterly ridiculous BS. Just replace JEW for Z-K and I think we all know where it goes.

........or probably because you want to revenge japan with them for your piled private grudeges toward japan. ...............

I just got a serious whiff of White Interac. I use that line too, esp. when discussing increased immigration, but that is straight out of the FG handbook.

[Takechanpoo]

So no evidence as usual then Tacky. Thought so.

both organized direct kiddnapping comfort women and great nanjin massacre are nothing more than hypothesis surfaced by circumstantial evidences. NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCES TO PROVE IT, as ive insisted so far.
you support those cases true but dont support the same kind of other cases.
WHY?
explain it.

[Takechanpoo]

Not surprised at the land-grabbing, we had plenty of that over here both during and after the war.

No, not a chance. Never happened, not once. Utterly ridiculous BS. Just replace JEW for Z-K and I think we all know where it goes.

very strong phrases to conclude. its a typical sample by a naturally biased "liberal" guy taking side with the poor-looking side.
its pretty surprising that j-society still remains to be black-box inside the brain of long time japan dweller like you who even dont know one of basic j-taboos. those z-korean who have properties in front of train stations are ex-owners of the post-war black markets there.
illegal occupation and then acquisition by prescription.

[Coligny]

shit tank... not black box... that would be a brown box at best.

[Wage Slave]

So no evidence as usual then Tacky. Thought so.

both organized direct kiddnapping comfort women and great nanjin massacre are nothing more than hypothesis surfaced by circumstantial evidences. NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCES TO PROVE IT, as ive insisted so far.
you support those cases true but dont support the same kind of other cases.
WHY?
explain it.

Don't try and change the topic and remember you are the one who made a claim - not me. Therefore, it's up to you (and indeed Tsuru) to be able to substantiate that claim. If not, it has more more validity than this kind of knowledge and is repulsive. As indeed are you at times.

A false rumor was spread that Koreans were taking advantage of the disaster, committing arson and robbery, and were in possession of bombs.[23] Anti-Korean sentiment was heightened by fear of the Korean independence movement, partisans of which were responsible for assassinations of top Japanese officials and other activities.[24] In the confusion after the quake, mass murder of Koreans by mobs occurred in urban Tokyo and Yokohama, fueled by rumors of rebellion and sabotage.[25] The government reported 231 Koreans were killed by mobs in Tokyo and Yokohama in the first week of September.[26] Independent reports said the number of dead was far higher, ranging from 6,000 to 10,000.[27][28][29] Some newspapers reported the rumors as fact, including the allegation that Koreans were poisoning wells. The numerous fires and cloudy well water, a little-known effect of a large quake, all seemed to confirm the rumors of the panic-stricken survivors who were living amidst the rubble. Vigilante groups set up roadblocks in cities, and tested residents with a shibboleth for supposedly Korean-accented Japanese: deporting, beating, or killing those who failed. Army and police personnel colluded in the vigilante killings in some areas. Of the 3,000 Koreans taken into custody at the Army Cavalry Regiment base in Narashino, Chiba Prefecture, 10% were killed at the base, or after being released into nearby villages.[23] Moreover, anyone mistakenly identified as Korean, such as Chinese, Ryukyuans, and Japanese speakers of some regional dialects, suffered the same fate. About 700 Chinese, mostly from Wenzhou, were killed.[30] A monument commemorating this was built in 1993 in Wenzhou.[31]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1923_Great_Kant%C5%8D_earthquake