1% Growth! Please to Obey Abenomics Rule!

[Isle of View]

Japan should turn its economy over to women (the real ones, not the harpy man-haters).
They work efficiently, get out of the office on time, spend well, get the job done and are generally bold and innovative (except when examining signatures in banks). Everything that the average salaryman is not.
Otherwise, it would be nice to see a new economic model that doesn't rely on the impossibility of permanent growth.

+1

[Samurai_Jerk]

Japan should turn its economy over to women (the real ones, not the harpy man-haters).
They work efficiently, get out of the office on time, spend well, get the job done and are generally bold and innovative (except when examining signatures in banks). Everything that the average salaryman is not.
Otherwise, it would be nice to see a new economic model that doesn't rely on the impossibility of permanent growth.

What a load of bullshit. You trying to get laid?

[kurogane]

Japan should turn its economy over to women (the real ones, not the harpy man-haters).
They work efficiently, get out of the office on time, spend well, get the job done and are generally bold and innovative (except when examining signatures in banks). Everything that the average salaryman is not.
Otherwise, it would be nice to see a new economic model that doesn't rely on the impossibility of permanent growth.

What a load of bullshit. You trying to get laid?

I don't disagree that strongly, but that idea has become something of a sophisticate's bromide lately. I have heard it from way too many returnee ESL FGs and read versions of it in reputable periodicals, which suggests it is becoming a pat pedantry amongst the finger waggers, a sort of Newbie's Solutions for Everything Japanese. Aside from the fact that it is never, ever going to happen, and therefore silly, it plays far too much on the accepted bigotry towards Japanese men, which can be fun but is rarely more than tired, racist BS. Japanese women aren't nearly as omnipotent as they like to claim, and white men like to believe. Try getting more than 4 or 5 women in a work setting and see how quickly things go catty. The problem isn't just gender bias, it's age bias: the clinging raisins need to retire. There are legions of Japanese under 50-ish that would bring a fresh energy if only they could get their hands on the reins. The problem is when the raisins do handover power they are likely to hand it to the younger guys they can be sure they have co-opted. After all, sweeping change after the torch is passed might suggest they were doing things wrong

I do like that idea of a new economic model. The Growth Model is so 20th Century. Time travellers from 1967 must do a double take when they hear Abe's New Economic Policy. That tire is plainly flat. They need to learn to shrink nicely on a Nordic model. And stop eating fucking cup noodle. Their hatred of food appalls me. Plus you can eat for half that just buying fresh noodles, green onions, a few cans of tuna and some tempura cakes or tofu.

[wagyl]

Try getting more than 4 or 5 women in a work setting and see how quickly things go catty.

It only takes two. I've got the t-shirt to prove I have witnessed it.

They need to learn to shrink nicely on a Nordic model.

I hope you are aware that the truly successful Nordic model requires an injection of North Sea oil, and an attitude of "it would be awfully gauche to be seen to be running around buying up foreign assets the way the Japanese did in the bubble era. We'll just do it quietly."

[kurogane]

That wouldn't hurt to be sure, but I was speaking more to the idea that economic strategy is seen as a means of preserving the nature of the state and nation, specifically as a monoethnic nation with a high standard of development, living and social equality. IOW, subsuming the obsession with growth and competitive size comparisons and seeking to stabilise the population through a series of progressive redistributive policies that seek to ameliorate relative inequality and deprivation while promoting greater and more flexible inclusive employment patterns. A sort of Marxist Utopia with rice fields, if you will. The realistic possibility of immigration at sufficient levels to replace the current shrinkage is at best a silly pie in the sky argument, after all, and usually just an ethnocentric bludgeon used to punish the Japanese for daring to not try to be just like Whitey thinks they should be.

Given the shortage of oil and hydrocarbons I wonder why they don't more aggressively pursue renewable energy sources, solar and all that, too, but especially nuclear power. I have heard that nuclear power is safe and reliable.

[Grumpy Gramps]

Japan should turn its economy over to women (the real ones, not the harpy man-haters).
They work efficiently, get out of the office on time, spend well, get the job done and are generally bold and innovative (except when examining signatures in banks). Everything that the average salaryman is not.
Otherwise, it would be nice to see a new economic model that doesn't rely on the impossibility of permanent growth.

+1

+1

And gays. Don't know why, just my experience from back in my old life. Gays and girls FTW!

[kurogane]

Gays and lesbians I can go with. They're wicked smart at work.

[Samurai_Jerk]

The realistic possibility of immigration at sufficient levels to replace the current shrinkage is at best a silly pie in the sky argument, after all, and usually just an ethnocentric bludgeon used to punish the Japanese for daring to not try to be just like Whitey thinks they should be.

Not really. Corporate Japan is also pushing that.

[matsuki]

Try getting more than 4 or 5 women in a work setting and see how quickly things go catty.

It only takes two. I've got the t-shirt to prove I have witnessed it.

I don't think you even need two.

One workplace I was at had one woman claim everything from stalking, sexism, and sexual harassment from the owner...twas all unwarranted but at one point, the police were called. After venting all her frustrations to the officers, nobody was arrested, no report taken...and she wanted to keep working there? Bitches be crazy.

That being said, I've worked in other offices with multiple women and there was zero cattyness. One of them was banging one of the owners and the other was a Jehovah witness....but somehow that prevented any clashes.

[kurogane]

The realistic possibility of immigration at sufficient levels to replace the current shrinkage is at best a silly pie in the sky argument, after all, and usually just an ethnocentric bludgeon used to punish the Japanese for daring to not try to be just like Whitey thinks they should be.

Not really. Corporate Japan is also pushing that.

Is that not the trickle of those intern/ trainee visa types they can rip off and manipulate at will, though? The last time I read projected numbers it was barely enough to replace the departing interns, never mind the declining national population. Not to mention those guest worker type programmes are barely concealed indentured labour scams, which is probably why the corporate scum support it. I am not against immigration, btw, I just find most of the arguments for it to be shrill, silly and obtuse beyond belief, moreso than even the silliest of the kneejerk culturalist arguments against it. The Pro side reminds me of the Romaji-Kai argument for romanising Japanese. What's the point of proposing something that is absolutely, positively never, ever going to happen?

[Samurai_Jerk]

The realistic possibility of immigration at sufficient levels to replace the current shrinkage is at best a silly pie in the sky argument, after all, and usually just an ethnocentric bludgeon used to punish the Japanese for daring to not try to be just like Whitey thinks they should be.

Not really. Corporate Japan is also pushing that.

Is that not the trickle of those intern/ trainee visa types they can rip off and manipulate at will, though? The last time I read projected numbers it was barely enough to replace the departing interns, never mind the declining national population. Not to mention those guest worker type programmes are barely concealed indentured labour scams, which is probably why the corporate scum support it. I am not against immigration, btw, I just find most of the arguments for it to be shrill, silly and obtuse beyond belief, moreso than even the silliest of the kneejerk culturalist arguments against it. The Pro side reminds me of the Romaji-Kai argument for romanising Japanese. What's the point of proposing something that is absolutely, positively never, ever going to happen?

No, I'm talking about advocating real immigration reform to let more people in. Both skilled labor and unskilled I can't remember when I read it though and I'm too lazy to google it.

Anyway, I agree that they're essentially navel gazing and not dealing with reality. Plus, even if they did open the flood gates not many skilled foreigners would want to work here. The funny thing is it's very easy for skilled (or at least university educated) workers to get jobs here if they have a sponsor. The problem isn't the ability to work in Japan. It's the desire.

[kurogane]

Oh, okay then. I'll take a Google tomorrow when I get a chance and report back. I find even pro-immigration Japanese seem to think they are going to skim the cream of the finance/manufacturing/business world and then top up the factory worker shortage with some benevolence to the Phillipinos or Vietnamese. I do sincerely believe the barriers are simply too high for that sort of drive to have much success. It'll probably just end up being Nikkei Brazilians 2.0, and while those guys did take more crap than they deserved they were pretty hopeless as an immigrant class.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

What a load of bullshit. You trying to get laid?

That goes without saying.

I really would prefer a different economic model than the current Austrian-school model (last time an Austrian tried leading the world didn't end too well. Sill cuntry, anyway. And no kangaroos). Some form of corporatism where the actual producers are properly rewarded and greater accountability in economic and non-economic matters would be a start.
The frightening thing about female economic empowerment is that you end up with what Third-Wave Feminism is trying to do now, which is essentially replace the patriarchy with a matriarchy. Feminism is not a progressive philosophy, based on its track record.
If the above doesn't say as much, I wouldn't call myself a feminist. But I think only feminine women have the right mindset for changing the Japanese economy. They're probably too smart to get involved and lose the benefits they already, have, though.

[J.A.F.O]

What a load of bullshit. You trying to get laid?

That goes without saying.

I really would prefer a different economic model than the current Austrian-school model (last time an Austrian tried leading the world didn't end too well. Sill cuntry, anyway. And no kangaroos). Some form of corporatism where the actual producers are properly rewarded and greater accountability in economic and non-economic matters would be a start.
The frightening thing about female economic empowerment is that you end up with what Third-Wave Feminism is trying to do now, which is essentially replace the patriarchy with a matriarchy. Feminism is not a progressive philosophy, based on its track record.
If the above doesn't say as much, I wouldn't call myself a feminist. But I think only feminine women have the right mindset for changing the Japanese economy. They're probably too smart to get involved and lose the benefits they already, have, though.

Kinda reminds me of something phyllis schlafly sad back in the 80's something to the kin of "I don't want to give up my superior rights for mere equality"

[wuchan]

Japan should turn its economy over to women (the real ones, not the harpy man-haters).
They work efficiently, get out of the office on time, spend well, get the job done and are generally bold and innovative (except when examining signatures in banks). Everything that the average salaryman is not.
Otherwise, it would be nice to see a new economic model that doesn't rely on the impossibility of permanent growth.

+1

+1

And gays. Don't know why, just my experience from back in my old life. Gays and girls FTW!

Back home I watched the gays take over a hood neighborhood and turn it into the second most expensive place to live in ten years. The increase in value forced the state to move all public housing to cheaper areas.