Aichi Residents On Foreigners: Not Good For Us But Good For Our Kids

[Iraira]

You think I am going to get on the defensive here? Quebec, along with Louisianna and Mississipi, is the third-world of North America. I'm trying to be nice and not include Newfoundland in this.

have you been to Louisiana? place has more culture (good and bad) than your pasty wheatboy ass will ever know. Thought Canadians were supposed to be more open-minded than Americans. Oh, yeah, forgot about John Phillipe Rushton and his correlations of penis size and IQ, all funded by WP groups. Go back to sleep, Jack.

[Jack]

have you been to Louisiana? place has more culture (good and bad) than your pasty wheatboy ass will ever know. Thought Canadians were supposed to be more open-minded than Americans. Oh, yeah, forgot about John Phillipe Rushton and his correlations of penis size and IQ, all funded by WP groups. Go back to sleep, Jack.

Here is how ignorant you are. Culture has nothing to do with thed economic basis from which a country is defined as Third or First world (which was coined by Mao). Louisianna has nothing but cheesy culture, but that's besides the point. Along with Mississipi and not to include Alabama, those are the basket cases of the U.S.

Do you have anything intelligent to say to counter my argument? If not kiss my ass.

[Visitor K]

Here is how ignorant you are. Culture has nothing to do with thed economic basis from which a country is defined as Third or First world (which was coined by Mao).

please, jack, you are losing the focus of you original argument.. please tell us all how you came to the conclusion that crime is a "necessity" in third world countries.. the way i see it, third world countries tend to be predominately rural and quite community oriented, i dont see how that breeds crime, from what i understand, it actually means less crime..
now, this might be different for cities.. even guatemalans will not go near guatemala city.. so your attempt to simplify the problem doesnt really work, there must be more to it.. i mean you can throw out all the statistics about crime and immigration you want, but once you start making assumptions about those statistics, you better have a better argument.

again, if i am missing some piece of this grand theory of yours, please fill me in!

[Jack]

please, jack, you are losing the focus of you original argument.. please tell us all how you came to the conclusion that crime is a "necessity" in third world countries.. the way i see it, third world countries tend to be predominately rural and quite community oriented, i dont see how that breeds crime, from what i understand, it actually means less crime..
now, this might be different for cities.. even guatemalans will not go near guatemala city.. so your attempt to simplify the problem doesnt really work, there must be more to it.. i mean you can throw out all the statistics about crime and immigration you want, but once you start making assumptions about those statistics, you better have a better argument.

again, if i am missing some piece of this grand theory of yours, please fill me in!

You are kidding right? No western country that I know of will keep statistics on criminal activities of immigrant groups. In Canada they wont even keep statistics based on colour (race) or religion. So I am afraid a lot of this is qualitative as opposed to quantitative. I come from such a multi-cultural background that my race is a rainbow of colours. That's how I can take any charge of racism you can throw at me because none of it will stick.

Look at pictures of Indian commuters hanging in the back, sides and top of busses to avoid paying the fare. The driver in Beirut who slips a $20 bill in his driving license before handing it out to the police officer who has stopped him for an infraction. The Egyptian baker who will cheat you on the weight of bread you just bought by 30%. And I could go on. All these are measures to dodge (cheat or steal) the system. Bring those folks to Japan and they will cheat even more because it is so much easier to do it there. Drug stores have a good chunk of their merchandise on the sidewalk in Tokyo with no one watching over them. You think the mother who shoves her kid from the train window in Bombay to avoid paying the fare will think twice before stealing that tooth paste tube in Tokyo? I totally agree with Japanese people's fear of immigrants especially those from shady countries. More immigration means more crime. Full stop.

[Visitor K]

first off, im really very sorry, i didnt realize that you came from a background of a "rainbow of colours" .. sure sounds nice and cheerful, but it surely doesnt exclude someone from being labeled a racist. i dont give a fuck how you came to your bullshit conclusions, so spare me your life story and family heritage.

i am not arguing the point of immigration causing problems, that is a given. a more worthwhile discussion would be to ask if the problems caused by immigration outweigh the positive things it brings to the country (cheap labor, giving citizens the knowledge of how the rest of the world perceives your country, exposing people to different ideas and supposedly making them more open minded, etc)

you can draw all the conclusions that you want from 'looking at pictures'.. im not even sure about what pictures you are talking about.. ive never been to india, but in other 'third world' countries the public transportation is ridiculously over crowded, and people are forced to sit on top, or hold onto rails (and yes, still pay the fare).
sure, there are problems in third world countries everybody knows that, and there is also crime (again not only in third world countries).. but if you talk to rural mexicans, for example, they are scared to death of the united states, hearing about all the drugs and violence going on (and opposed to what pictures you might have seen or stories you may have read, mexico is not wildly dangerous and does not have a huge drug problem like the US).

anyway, it is bullshit to say that a person who bribes a cop in mexico city would ipso facto try to bribe a cop in tokyo, and if they did, i would argue that the problem then would be more with the country's lack of competent integration of its' foreign population. that is to say that the problems caused by immigration are not isolated to immigrants from certain countries, but can happen to anybody if put in the wrong circumstances.

[Jack]

first off, im really very sorry, i didnt realize that you came from a background of a "rainbow of colours" .. sure sounds nice and cheerful, but it surely doesnt exclude someone from being labeled a racist. i dont give a fuck how you came to your bullshit conclusions, so spare me your life story and family heritage.

i am not arguing the point of immigration causing problems, that is a given. a more worthwhile discussion would be to ask if the problems caused by immigration outweigh the positive things it brings to the country (cheap labor, giving citizens the knowledge of how the rest of the world perceives your country, exposing people to different ideas and supposedly making them more open minded, etc)

you can draw all the conclusions that you want from 'looking at pictures'.. im not even sure about what pictures you are talking about.. ive never been to india, but in other 'third world' countries the public transportation is ridiculously over crowded, and people are forced to sit on top, or hold onto rails (and yes, still pay the fare).
sure, there are problems in third world countries everybody knows that, and there is also crime (again not only in third world countries).. but if you talk to rural mexicans, for example, they are scared to death of the united states, hearing about all the drugs and violence going on (and opposed to what pictures you might have seen or stories you may have read, mexico is not wildly dangerous and does not have a huge drug problem like the US).

anyway, it is bullshit to say that a person who bribes a cop in mexico city would ipso facto try to bribe a cop in tokyo, and if they did, i would argue that the problem then would be more with the country's lack of competent integration of its' foreign population. that is to say that the problems caused by immigration are not isolated to immigrants from certain countries, but can happen to anybody if put in the wrong circumstances.

Fuck man, another idiot with his head in the sand. Good on ya.

[Iraira]

Here is how ignorant you are. Culture has nothing to do with thed economic basis from which a country is defined as Third or First world (which was coined by Mao). Louisianna has nothing but cheesy culture, but that's besides the point. Along with Mississipi and not to include Alabama, those are the basket cases of the U.S.

Do you have anything intelligent to say to counter my argument? If not kiss my ass.

So, by your arguement, if a region is not an economic powerhouse, then it is meaningless. Clearly, you understand the value of money and nothing else (and that is also debatable), Why do people think that quoting a genocidal maniac (Mao) makes them, a) seem worldly, b) correct? Mao killed how many of his own people, Jack? That quote was after or before his 4th stroke?
Go back to sleep, Jack.

[Visitor K]

Fuck man, another idiot with his head in the sand. Good on ya.

way to concisely voice your point, i never saw it like that!
the great thing about ad hominem arguments is that they work both ways, you arrogant fuck stick.

i know, i know, its pointless and obviously nobody here is going to convince somebody else either way, but im just curious, jack, what, if any, positive things does an immigrant bring to their adopted country? do you think that they could cause enough positive change in a country to sort of counterbalance the wave of crime and unsavory activity that they will ultimately bring with them?

these are serious questions, not meant to start some lame internet war or anything.

[amdg]

That's a fact: Foreigners = greater crime.

Jack knows what he's talking about. After all, he's the product of foreigners, and a prospective foreigner himself.






Foreigners have the best crime.

[Catoneinutica]

Jack knows what he's talking about. After all, he's the product of foreigners, and a prospective foreigner himself.






Foreigners have the best crime.

How do you know you're bored? You reply to something Jack wrote.

How do you know you're in a vegetative state? You reply to someone's reply to something Jack wrote.

[james]

The driver in Beirut who slips a $20 bill in his driving license before handing it out to the police officer who has stopped him for an infraction. The Egyptian baker who will cheat you on the weight of bread you just bought by 30%. And I could go on. All these are measures to dodge (cheat or steal) the system.

do you honestly think any country has a monopoly on dishonesty? do you really think that petty crimes such as the above don't happen in the so-called "first world"? you're the one with your head in the sand.

a certain portion of the population will cheat, scam and weasel regardless of their location and upbringing.

[james]

I come from such a multi-cultural background that my race is a rainbow of colours.

what? like white, cream, ivory, seashell and chalk?

or are you comin out?

[TennoChinko]

The Chunichi Shimbun a few days ago published the results of a survey conducted in Aichi prefecture. To the question "What do you think about the growing number of foreigners?", 31.1% replied that they didn't think it was a good thing because there would be an increase in crime while a further 13.3% said that cultural differences were likely to be a source of trouble. Altogether, 47.3% of respondents thought that an increase in foreigners was undesirable. Of the 29.4% who did want to see more foreigners, 16.4% thought it would be a good chance to meet and learn more about different people. Interestingly, to a question about foreign children in schools, negative views were in a distinct minority. 45% of respondents thought diversity in schools could be a good thing while others thought it would be a good experience for their children to be in a cosmopolitan environment.

Keep in mind some of the demographic and immigrant issues in Aichi with South Americans of Japanese descent (that do not exist in places like Tokyo) as previously outlined in this thread:

http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19393

The best line:

...But the Brazilian-Japanese were not going to take things lying down. When confronted by a group of right-wing thugs driving a loudspeaker screaming out messages along the lines of "Foreigner Go Home," the foreigners took on the harassers in a very non-Japanese way: they firebombed the soundtruck...

[ttjereth]

The best line:
...But the Brazilian-Japanese were not going to take things lying down. When confronted by a group of right-wing thugs driving a loudspeaker screaming out messages along the lines of "Foreigner Go Home," the foreigners took on the harassers in a very non-Japanese way: they firebombed the soundtruck...

That's not crime, that's comedy.

[amdg]

That's not crime, that's comedy.

It's crimilicious.

And high time to. You can just imagine the faces inside the truck.

WTF!!?!? Jeeze if they're gonna start firebombing us, well then, we just won't bother anymore, will we?

[Charles]

That's not crime, that's comedy.

ha.. there's an old saying:

Tragedy: I break my leg.
Comedy: YOU break your leg.

[Mike Oxlong]

IIRC, in Aichi the truck may have been overturned *and* firebombed.

[Greji]

IIRC, in Aichi the truck may have been overturned *and* firebombed.

Sounds reasonable, I mean it probably hurt Take's feelings, but hell, a Chrysanthemum can take a joke, can't it?.....

[Visitor K]

How do you know you're bored? You reply to something Jack wrote.

all the students are on vacation for three weeks and they sit my down in front of this computer for eight hours a day, what would you do?

[ttjereth]

IIRC, in Aichi the truck may have been overturned *and* firebombed.

That is comedic genius.

The only thing that could make it funnier is if the shitheads inside were screaming for help on the megaphones attached to the truck.

[Jack]

what? like white, cream, ivory, seashell and chalk?

or are you comin out?

James, you got it man, yup. I'm all shades of white.

[Jack]

way to concisely voice your point, i never saw it like that!
the great thing about ad hominem arguments is that they work both ways, you arrogant fuck stick.

Yup, I have been known as such.

i know, i know, its pointless and obviously nobody here is going to convince somebody else either way, but im just curious, jack, what, if any, positive things does an immigrant bring to their adopted country? do you think that they could cause enough positive change in a country to sort of counterbalance the wave of crime and unsavory activity that they will ultimately bring with them?

these are serious questions, not meant to start some lame internet war or anything.

Immigrants generally ad to economic prosperity because in the formula to determine the GDP of a country labour is taken into consideration. Everytime you increase labour GDP goes up. However, some cultures may not care as much about economic impact and they may care more about the negative social impact. The latter might be the case in Japan and as outsiders, you and I are not in a position to tell them what's good or bad for them. The way I see it in Japan they are willing to sacrifice economic growth to maintain social peace. I can't say that is right or wrong because obviously for them that's the right choice. I respect that choice. I suppose I raise objection to many on this board for taking offense just because the Japanese thinking is at variance with theirs.

By the way, did I call you names? I am sorry about that.

[ttjereth]

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