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[tidbits]

LMFAO! It looks like tidbits has decided that since she can't beat us, she'll join us.

Dear SJ, I have never thought of beating or joining anyone in the fighting cock club, not until I grow a penis. It was a genuine suggestion for Chokonen. After all what are fake boobs for?  

 

[6810]

sniiiiyaaap...

maybe it's played out but you could have said the above with a meme...

[Kanchou]

And the fact that you're hiding behind this strawman...

Am I supposed to ask "what everyone in society thinks" before choosing the color I will paint my loo ?

NO

Do I care aboot "what everyone in society thinks"

NO

Because when it's not against the job, it's against the haircut, nationnality, boob size, accent... and on and on... There will always be something that someone somewhere don't like, be it an honest (but rare) opposition or more often disguised jealousy or controlling freakeaness. To those people I say... FUCK YOU, go be a choir boy and have your bunghole turned into a priest spunk dumpster.

It's You who are singling out AV Jobs as more socially unacceptable.

Because between those who don't like, those who don't care, those who never heard aboot it, plus the hypocrite who officially don't like but heard aboot it anyway (hum... how ? BTW) there's enough people around to be able to avoid the annoying one...


To me, today... the most socially unacceptable job would be Tepco executive. Not even german scat pornstar.

You've missed the point entirely, Coligny.

It doesn't have to do ANYTHING with whether or not I or society consider the job acceptable, and it has to do everything with what kind of woman would agree to let (effectively) anyone and everyone watch her have sex with someone she doesn't know for money.

I don't have anything against AV stars, and I think the world would be a lot more boring without them. But I'm simply curious as to what sort of person would choose it as a career, and why.

[cstaylor]

It doesn't have to do ANYTHING with whether or not I or society consider the job acceptable, and it has to do everything with what kind of woman would agree to let (effectively) anyone and everyone watch her have sex with someone she doesn't know for money.

Read your own writing once more, then change it to the following:

It doesn't have to do ANYTHING with whether or not I or society consider the job acceptable, and it has to do everything with what kind of woman would agree to let (effectively) anyone and everyone watch her wear silly costumes and prance about in front of a camera, playing pretend in some made up story with someone she doesn't know for money.

or

It doesn't have to do ANYTHING with whether or not I or society consider the job acceptable, and it has to do everything with what kind of man would agree to let (effectively) anyone and everyone watch him wrestle nearly naked with other men in UFC.

As you can see, your logic fails under inspection. Voltaire put it best when he said, "Prejudices are what fools use for reason".

[American Oyaji]

Kanchou, you ask why?

Because being a whore is easy.

[Kanchou]

Read your own writing once more, then change it to the following:

or


As you can see, your logic fails under inspection. Voltaire put it best when he said, "Prejudices are what fools use for reason".

This isn't a logic puzzle.

If you think that starring in porn (which is essentially prostitution) is the logical extension of acting (which is lying) or combat sports (which are fighting), well...I guess that's up to you.

The essentially issue is what a normal person would be embarrassed to do. Would you be embarrassed to throw a baseball on TV? Would you be embarrassed to read lines on TV? Would you be embarrassed to give some dude a rimjob on TV?

If I'm prejudiced, so what? I'm asking a rhetorical question not making a value statement.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Now this is an intellectual conversation I can get my teeth into -- both porn and Voltaire.

Personally, I stand in the "go for it gal" faction, but I can totally understand Kanchou's argument, too, and agree that he's not being prejudiced.

Why do it? I guess for the bulk of the girls doing it, it's probably just a job, and usually a good paying one at that, especially if counted on an hourly basis. Hell, some of them may even enjoy the daily grind, so to speak.

Whether a lot of them think about the future consequences, I guess not. My guess, and it's not an educated one, would be that few think too far into the future to worry about the implications of their actions in the present. And I'd also guess that many who do realize they may have caused themselves future problems figure they've made their bed now, so they may as well go and get laid in it...

[Coligny]

I don't have anything against AV stars, and I think the world would be a lot more boring without them. But I'm simply curious as to what sort of person would choose it as a career, and why.

I still manage to see quite some prejudice in here...

What's the difference between softcore porn and steamy movies ? They both are just dry humping on tape, one with cheaper actress and less stories, the other with Angelina Jolie and some pseudo intelectual wankfest. (GIA anyone ? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123865/)

Your question as to why someone would choose it as a career can apply to SOOO many other jobs... it become totally irrelevant...

Sewer Cleaner, proctologist, undertaker, suicide bomber... and on and on and on... Me think you are singling out porn out of yer prejudice... And nothing really rational as many other jobs are more dangerous less paid or less interesting...

[Mike Oxlong]

I wondered about that as a young dude...how does one become say, a career garbage man? I figure it starts as a summer job, some sort of temp thing, but as time goes on and options narrow...maybe something like Engrish teacher.

[Kanchou]

I still manage to see quite some prejudice in here...

What's the difference between softcore porn and steamy movies ? They both are just dry humping on tape, one with cheaper actress and less stories, the other with Angelina Jolie and some pseudo intelectual wankfest. (GIA anyone ? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123865/)

Your question as to why someone would choose it as a career can apply to SOOO many other jobs... it become totally irrelevant...

Sewer Cleaner, proctologist, undertaker, suicide bomber... and on and on and on... Me think you are singling out porn out of yer prejudice... And nothing really rational as many other jobs are more dangerous less paid or less interesting...

Faking it and actually doing it are two different things. Sort of like a war movie versus a murder being caught on film.

Actually, I am curious what sort of person would become those jobs too. Especially suicide bomber.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Actually, I am curious what sort of person would become those jobs too. Especially suicide bomber.

Long-term career prospects?
Seriously, though, I've heard this job can be a real blast...

[Yokohammer]

Long-term career prospects?
Seriously, though, I've heard this job can be a real blast...

But it doesn't even come with a pension!
Certainly no "golden parachute."
Besides, you usually end up working in a dive.

[cstaylor]

[nottu]

[cstaylor]

[quote="nottu"]Prejudice –]
Got another word to offer instead? Scarlet letter? A branded harlot? Honor killing?

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Can I have a branded harlot, too?

[cstaylor]

Can I have a branded harlot, too?

I think that's become a DIY proposition. Might make for a good sequel to your first book...

[Greji]

Can I have a branded harlot, too?

She's mine. Buy your own!

[Coligny]

Can I have a branded harlot, too?

I am soo not googling that...

[nottu]

[cstaylor]

Kanchou was discriminating.

Based on... a prejudice.

When it comes to prejudice, you are a master.

How so?

[nottu]

[cstaylor]

Says you.

Damn right, says me! Just as I wouldn't ask a mechanic to pull out a tooth, why would I give an untrained mind's shiftless ramblings the same credence as my own?

He presented some simple facts about which he discriminated.

Show me a single fact he has posted on this thread not based on a prejudice.

Anyway, good thing the Japanese porn star wasn't a black girl form Cleveland, Kanchou would be sweating now and you would have fire in your breast.

lol... ending a pointless argument over prejudice with another tired one.

[nottu]

[cstaylor]

...why would I give an untrained mind's shiftless ramblings the same credence as my own?

You do it all the time.

Yes, you are right. I sometimes slip and give untrained minds the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway, Kanchou is much more honest and interesting.

Yes, I've noticed you've taken a fancy to him, although honest bigotry is still bigotry.

Now that you've dragged this down to Ad hominem attacks, let's just agree to disagree.

[nottu]

[cstaylor]

I'll just quote from the man himself:

I kind of wonder what kind of woman agrees to star in a porno movie... because once a porn star, always a porn star. It's worse than a bad tattoo. Even worse for amateurs who don't even make that much money and have to work real jobs to make ends meet.

And all this time I thought you were accusing him of prejudice.
You just made the slick sliding two-step over to "bigotry" and thought it would go unnoticed - an amateur technique.

Um, no. Don't you have a dictionary handy, troll?

Or perhaps it is your lack of language precision and internal prejudice that causes you to be - to use one of your artifacts -

Other than attacking the speaker (since you don't know what ad hominem means), have anything else to add, troll? You haven't answered a single thing I asked. Where are the facts you speak of?

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[Greji]

- return to the stroke fest, Sultan.

Is that an invitation to a wank? Well, I can go along with that...Ziiiiiiiip. Ahhhhh. Flush....

Okay, whadda we do next?

[Kanchou]

No, I wasn't arguing equivalence. I was showing you three cases where people are making a public spectacle of themselves for money. Put aside your American sexual prejudices and explain in clear terms what the differences are.

If you're saying the whole issue boils down to it being the difference between someone who has sex in public for money versus someone who does what is considered to be a normal job for money in public (such as politics or theatre), well I'd say you're just being asinine. And pedantic.

What world do you come from where an amateur porn star is treated the same way as an Oscar-winning actress?

[cstaylor]

If you're saying the whole issue boils down to it being the difference between someone who has sex in public for money versus someone who does what is considered to be a normal job for money in public (such as politics or theatre), well I'd say you're just being asinine. And pedantic.

Considered by who again?

What world do you come from where an amateur porn star is treated the same way as an Oscar-winning actress?

Nearing the end of his life, Plato considered those within the performing arts worse than flesh peddlers. He had an excellent point.

Were you and nottu come from, are your eyes and ears bombarded with war porn and other salacious sadistic violence couched under the convenient label of entertainment? Escapist, low-brow humor? Are you edified? Are the performers well compensated? Why?