Hafu: Living in Japan

[Samurai_Jerk]

I also mean White People. American Blacks and Browns seem to enjoy the silence.

You sound like one of those PC hipster fruitcakes you claim to hate.

[IparryU]

I also mean White People. American Blacks and Browns seem to enjoy the silence.

You sound like one of those PC hipster fruitcakes you claim to hate.

What about the American Whites?

[wagyl]

Dude, it's everyone. I get the "Japan? Ching chong sushi! How do you understand that shit?" and " are their pussies really slanted?!" and "bring me back a geisha" comments from every "race." Nationality and culture are one thing but melting pot USA (and I'd say Canada too) is often too fixated on "race" and often uses the words interchangeably when they don't mean the same thing.

Getting way off topic but every time I see "melting pot" I can't help remembering something I read years ago which seemed to mesh with my own experiences, particularly relating to California. A search for the original doesn't bring it up, so a grotesque paraphrase will be that the famed melting pot is really little more than people having the freedom to socialise with people who look like they do, while being aware that people who look different exist elsewhere in the community. I think there is a solid germ of truth in there.

Another part of the culture = racial group thing is this whole concept of "Hispanic," which I will be the first to admit I do not understand.

[matsuki]

Dude, it's everyone. I get the "Japan? Ching chong sushi! How do you understand that shit?" and " are their pussies really slanted?!" and "bring me back a geisha" comments from every "race." Nationality and culture are one thing but melting pot USA (and I'd say Canada too) is often too fixated on "race" and often uses the words interchangeably when they don't mean the same thing.

Getting way off topic but every time I see "melting pot" I can't help remembering something I read years ago which seemed to mesh with my own experiences, particularly relating to California. A search for the original doesn't bring it up, so a grotesque paraphrase will be that the famed melting pot is really little more than people having the freedom to socialise with people who look like they do, while being aware that people who look different exist elsewhere in the community. I think there is a solid germ of truth in there.

I think you have to live there awhile to appreciate the actual "melting." Viewed from a tourist perspective, what you say seems to be true. When you grow up there, it's quite a different story. While I can't claim it's the same everywhere, my primary school mates were the children of both several generation Americans and immigrants from China, Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Thailand, Taiwan, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Pakistan, India, Spain, Mexico, Guatemala, Canada, and the U.K. (I'm sure I missed a few but you get the idea) So you have school, childhood sports teams, stuff like boyscouts, neighborhood associations, etc. etc. where you've got this really internationally mixed group of people getting together for common causes. Sure, there are the anti-foreigner (hey jackasss, last time I checked your ancestors were from Europe) assholes in every group but more often than not, there were also people that would call these turds out if they said/did anything offensive. Then the children, more often than not, don't have the "racial bias" or whatever you want to call it, unless it's pushed on them by their asshole parents...but even then, I saw one of my Taiwanese American friends bring a black boyfriend home to meet the parents and continue to date despite their "disown you!" threats. One of the hot Paki-American chicks I knew married my nerdy Mexican-American friend out of HS, One of my Chinese-American friends who swore up and down she "could only marry another Chinese, you wouldn't understand...it's a Chinese parent thing" ended up with a white dude that her father "loves because he works hard." Hell, I'm mixed as it is and I was dating a Persian chick mostly through HS. Anyhow, plenty of "melting" going on. (much of it, unreasonable mother country mentality melting away) I wouldn't call it perfection but it's definitely a more ideal situation than the small amount of visible meltin' going on here.

Another part of the culture = racial group thing is this whole concept of "Hispanic," which I will be the first to admit I do not understand.

One of my H.S. friends had a T-shirt that said, "Not Hispanic, Not Latino, MEXICAN!"

I think it's just the current PC word for "looks brown and probably speaks spanish" but yeah, it's just more grouping without much weight.

[Coligny]

Japan can take its celebrity worship to extremes, David Beckham once having a giant chocolate statue dedicated to him in Tokyo while his mohican hairstyle triggered a personal grooming craze among local women during the 2002 World Cup.

1- I have the weirdest boner right now.
2- the next football star in japan need to be as bald as Taro
3- THERE'S TWO OF THEM!!! THERE'S TWO OF THEM !!!

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[kurogane]

Dude, it's everyone. I get the "Japan? Ching chong sushi! How do you understand that shit?" and " are their pussies really slanted?!" and "bring me back a geisha" comments from every "race." Nationality and culture are one thing but melting pot USA (and I'd say Canada too) is often too fixated on "race" and often uses the words interchangeably when they don't mean the same thing.

I don't mean to sound defensive, but I am not so sure. Certainly not in Vangroover, anyways. I grew up like it sounds like you did. It wasn't a melting pot; more of a mixed hot pot. BTW, those Everyones of "it's everyone" sound like Americans to me Very few Canadian rednecks would feel comfortable enough to try that crap. Maybe I missed your point.......... So, to clarify, I have found that American Whites talk about race whilst in the Vancouver area much more than any other colour Americans, and way, way more than Canadians would want to, but I happily agree that ALL colours of Americans are degenerate fuckwits when it comes to East Asians, though not every American, of course. They are truly the last identifiable group it is actually okay to slag; that goes for a surprising number of Canadians as well, though those are invariably flatlanders and hillbillies from the shit parts. OTOH, Black Americans are by far the biggest racist dickwads I have ever met in Japan/Okinawa; and this is from people with names like Tashwa and Keemar. If I was stupid, I would think that they are as bad as the White Americans in Vancouver tell me they are. It must be something to do with the military recruitment. And again, not every single one, of course.

BTW, it is my firm and almost professional belief that that sort of discourse has as much to do with the consensus oriented stratified, militaristic nature at the bedrock of US society, the reflexive deference to hierarchical or financial superiority and the obverse tendency to try and establish superior rank or position as with any actual, sincere bigotry. Canadians are more egalitarian and individualistic, often destructively so, but it could account for the notable difference in MYHOMO.

I do agree about the loose word of the term Race, though. I like to use it in the Victorian sense (ethnicity or culture) because it pisses off the people SJ claims I sound like. Oscar Wilde uses it liberally. It's a delicious anachronism.

You sound like one of those PC hipster fruitcakes you claim to hate.

I don't think so. To do that I would have had to preface my comments with some pretentious disclaimer about the Socially Constructed Nature of concepts like Race, by which they mean they are undereducated enough to think that Social Construction is a synonym for Fictional.

What about the American Whites?

They sound like SamJerk did just there. Aggressively defensive, yet patronising at the same time.



The ones I am talking about would consider the White part redundant. That is what American means, after all.



Anyways, good to see some White Pride. Especially considering 2 of 3 of you are not all so from what I understand. I believe in giving any and all the shiite they deserve but I can dig that a lot of decent people who happen to be White are getting tired of it all. I go the other way: I simply refuse to apologise or get defensive. It wasn't my choice, after all. And besides, I'm thinking of becoming a transethnic Japanese lesbian. I don't claim to be right, but from a life in a ski town visited heavily by US West Coasters, famed for their tolerance, it's a valid if unscientific observation. And besides, I'm just Feckin' witya. It is our other National Sport, after all. Peesu.

PS I think the one on the left is the girl I saw on TV. She hot.

[matsuki]

Some of my family lives up in Washington and went to Canuckistan Universities. At one of their weddings, all the Canadian friends came down...and the one Chinese-Canadian bitch of the bunch tried flirting with me, found out I was from LA...and kept on going on and on about Vancouver and BC being so much more a melting pot and whatever than LA. When I pointed out LA was probably more mixed and has been for much longer, she kept disagreeing but had no ammo to say otherwise and couldn't believe there was good Thai, Chinese, Viet, Indian, etc. food there at all. It was like she couldn't admit she was simply ignorant of another place that she had already made her mind up about. None of this mattered when we ended up drunk, back at her hotel room after the wedding, but the discussion came back up the next morning after breakfast (are there any young Canadians that aren't potheads?) while some of the other Vancouver people sat back and smoked up. Anyhow, most had pretty much the same condescending view of White Americans/LA people that you're putting out here when most had never been to LA nor knew that many Americans. No doubt there are plenty of shitty white Americans but the whole generalization of the entire group is a pretty dated concept. (but seems like everyone likes to take swings at Americans so...fair game?)

As to the mixed hot pot vs melting pot...in some ways, yes.. I can see what you're saying...but as I tried to point out, each successive generation is more likely to want to "melt" into the community than remain an outsider.

[kurogane]

.............screwed CBC girl, yada yada........Anyhow, most had pretty much the same condescending view of White Americans/LA people that you're putting out here when most had never been to LA nor knew that many Americans. No doubt there are plenty of shitty white Americans but the whole generalization of the entire group is a pretty dated concept. (but seems like everyone likes to take swings at Americans so...fair game?)

All fair points, as usual, but keep in mind I am discussing obvious and noteworthy differences with Americans I have actually met and talked to not the whole shebang I haven't, condescension and derision is a key skill in the national sport I mentioned above, swinging at Americans is fun if you remember not to believe the crap you're slinging (you guys do rise to the bait, after all, but we usually are just kidding) and you did mention she was Chinese, which brings us back to the sole exception to the danger of generalising entire groups (;)). I thought LA was freakin' cool as hell, and the tacos were to die for. One thing I do think important is many, many of the American guys I talk to in the bar I mentioned is that they get evasive when asked where they are from; in Vancouver terms amongst Canadians that is usually code that means they moved there from a shittier part of Canada (i.e. the rest of it). I don't know if that holds for Seattle/Portland or LA/San Fran, but it could suggest they grew up somewhere where race still counts more than it does in Vancouver or the West Coast of NA in general. It also weirds me out because anybody should always be proud of where they're from, regardless of what condescending dickheads like me say about places I have never been. Though most of non-Vancouver Canada is kind of shit, to be sure. It's just too cold, and there's no mountains.

So, BOT: I have never gone CBC, only CBJ. So, did she blow? I have heard that their pussies aren't slanted but that their views on oral are. A friend would eat his for an hour and get no reciprocation. Weird, man. She was comically high maintenance, though, and I never asked any other guys that dated same. If it's any comfort, most of the CBC princesses I know talk to all white men like that. As BS a generalisation as it sounds it seems to be hardwired. The guys are really cool, but their women............erp.

I agree about that melting pot commentary, btw. My only problem with the entire metaphor is that it implicitly suggests that all colours melt into white (hence the term Banana, which is clever but disgusting), though that is more Rush Limbaugh/Bill O'Reilly these days to be sure. I think our mixed hot pot was simply the neighbourhood I grew up in; I know guys that didn't meet a live Asian until high school and they were born in Vancouver. Not much different from parts of the US I'm sure.

[matsuki]

I have never gone CBC, only CBJ. So, did she blow? I have heard that their pussies aren't slanted but that their views on oral are. A friend would eat his for an hour and get no reciprocation. Weird, man. She was comically high maintenance, though, and I never asked any other guys that dated same. If it's any comfort, most of the CBC princesses I know talk to all white men like that. As BS a generalisation as it sounds it seems to be hardwired. The guys are really cool, but their women............erp.

THIS...good times but no way in hell would I have wanted to date that bitch.

I agree about that melting pot commentary, btw. My only problem with the entire metaphor is that it implicitly suggests that all colours melt into white (hence the term Banana, which is clever but disgusting), though that is more Rush Limbaugh/Bill O'Reilly these days to be sure. I think our mixed hot pot was simply the neighbourhood I grew up in; I know guys that didn't meet a live Asian until high school and they were born in Vancouver. Not much different from parts of the US I'm sure.

Melt into modern American in my examples...which as the Euro doods on here will point out, is hardly fookin' white.

[kurogane]

THIS...good times but no way in hell would I have wanted to date that bitch..

Yeah, she dumped him because he only made about 150,000 a year, he fell into Yellow Feverish Hell, met a nice girl that actually liked to fuck, and he is now happy as hell. He got his Asian Thang in, though, which a disturbing number of mildly dorky white guys have a weird obsession with, so happy happy joy joy. What I can't figure out is why they don't just date the nice Asian chicks. It's not like there's a shortage of them in Vancouver, FFS. I grew up with them: they're Canadian, and Asian!!!!!!!!!!! I think it is sort of a weird ass masochistic White Guilt thing, mixed with some very weird stereotyping of what Asian Women are supposed to be like. But there is a weird and rather chauvinistic Chinese Pride vibe of late in Van amongst the younger than me crowd and I have a sneaky feeling they aren't as far from the boat as the Asian kids I grew up with. I like it because it's silly, weird and it POs the downtrodden white guys (i.e. uneducated plebs with a grudge), but it has disturbing implications besides the obvious irony of Chinese thinking they're the cat's meow.

Melt into modern American in my examples...which as the Euro doods on here will point out, is hardly fookin' white.

Yeah, I got you, but I remain unsure how many of your compatriots fully agree with your progressive enlightenment. I think the idea is growing, but even that olden times unconscious slip of equating American with northern European Whites remains stronger than we might hope in MYHOMO. That's why I don't like the term Banana, or Oreo, funny as they are. It makes it sound like they need make a choice people that look like me don't. I think that is a poopy idea, as it seems do you, SJ, IPU, and all the other representatives on here. So that's nice. We win again.

[IparryU]

What about the American Whites?

They sound like SamJerk did just there. Aggressively defensive, yet patronising at the same time.



The ones I am talking about would consider the White part redundant. That is what American means, after all.



Anyways, good to see some White Pride. Especially considering 2 of 3 of you are not all so from what I understand. I believe in giving any and all the shiite they deserve but I can dig that a lot of decent people who happen to be White are getting tired of it all. I go the other way: I simply refuse to apologise or get defensive. It wasn't my choice, after all. And besides, I'm thinking of becoming a transethnic Japanese lesbian. I don't claim to be right, but from a life in a ski town visited heavily by US West Coasters, famed for their tolerance, it's a valid if unscientific observation. And besides, I'm just Feckin' witya. It is our other National Sport, after all. Peesu.

PS I think the one on the left is the girl I saw on TV. She hot.

Well answered my transethnic Japanese lesbian friend!

[Coligny]

PS I think the one on the left is the girl I saw on TV. She hot.

Jessica Michibata, gurlfriend of F1 race driver Jensen Button. Right is her sister Angelica.

(Just in case: F1 is like Nascar but with open wheels cars and both left and right turns...)

[kurogane]

Well answered my transethnic Japanese lesbian friend!

We're outta that closet now baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coligny,

So, F1 is what youze Yurpeean guys call car racing, eh!?? Sort of like calling soccer football, I guess. I mean, that? Football??? HAHAHA. BTW, there's a reason NASCAR only turns one way. It will become clear if you Youtube some interviews with NASCAR drivers.

BTW, a couple of guys named Villeneuve are Canadians ya know

[Samurai_Jerk]

The more you write the more like a hipster douchebag you sound. I think it's a Canadian thing though. Never being able to accept that you're basically the thing you claim to hate (American, for example).

[6810]

The more you write the more like a hipster douchebag you sound. I think it's a Canadian thing though. Never being able to accept that you're basically the thing you claim to hate (American, for example).

Well, now that you mention it, KG's disdain of craft beers was always a little to emphatic to me. Chinks in armour all and stuff.

[wagyl]

Chinks in armour

Racist! (in before SJ)

[6810]

Much faster than I anticipated... I was going to say something like:

Chinks in his armour are starting to show...

noooo! Even that's not safe. Oh, it's all so niggardly and to top it off I just got gypped on my lunch break... black to the coalface it is...

Aaaaahhhhh! I'm traveling down a wabbit hole of wabid wacism...

[kurogane]

The more you write the more like a hipster douchebag you sound. I think it's a Canadian thing though. Never being able to accept that you're basically the thing you claim to hate (American, for example).

3 out of 10 on that one. Put some back into young man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're our go to White Pride Guy, after all (not the weirdo Blues Brothers Nazi type, natch). You're right about part of it being a Cdn thing, though. The Being a Dick to Americans part that is. It's like a Maple Rumplestiltskin thing.

6810,
An interesting line of thought: so, if I claim with excessive emphasis to hate the craft beers beloved by the hipster douchebags I also claim to hate but apparently resemble, does this make me more of a hipster douchebag, less of a hipster douchebag, or as much of a hipster douchebag but in a different way?

Or were you talking about a different chink?

BTW, it's the beer fags I disdain; the beer itself I simply don't like coz it's hop juice not lager/pilsener, and that's just personal preference. The Tecate last night were delish, but the 2 Dudes beside me were very much enjoying their Oregon (???) Hops Flavoured beerlike product, and we all got well hydrated. Fortunately for Peace in Bibulosity that bar didn't serve Bud.................

BTW, there's a run on hops in the Pacific NW boys, so get your orders in before they run out or spike in price.

[Samurai_Jerk]

You're our go to White Pride Guy

You must have me confused with McTojo.

[matsuki]

You're right about part of it being a Cdn thing, though. The Being a Dick to Americans part that is. It's like a Maple Rumplestiltskin thing.

[6810]

6810,
An interesting line of thought: so, if I claim with excessive emphasis to hate the craft beers beloved by the hipster douchebags I also claim to hate but apparently resemble, does this make me more of a hipster douchebag, less of a hipster douchebag, or as much of a hipster douchebag but in a different way?

Nah brah, I woz jis sayin in a ramblin about kinda way:

The lady doth protest too much...

P'raps excessive disdain + "lack of interest" = freudian identifications...