Kyoto Court Bans Hate Speech

[Russell]

The only native Japanese are the Ainu.

The rest are all descendents from Koreans, Chinese, Mongolians, and Polynesians. (and Dutch)

[Yokohammer]

The only native Japanese are the Ainu.

The rest are all descendents from Koreans, Chinese, Mongolians, and Polynesians. (and Dutch)

Yup ... and hey, wrong thread, but did you see this?

Documents detail how Imperial military forced Dutch females to be ‘comfort women’

[gaijinpunch]

D00d, Die Hard III... john McLane...

RIP Die Hard Franchise... The one pictured above was awesome.

[Russell]

The only native Japanese are the Ainu.

The rest are all descendents from Koreans, Chinese, Mongolians, and Polynesians. (and Dutch)

Yup ... and hey, wrong thread, but did you see this?

Documents detail how Imperial military forced Dutch females to be ‘comfort women’

Yep, saw it, but didn't post it, lazy bum I am.

Hopefully this topic can be discussed more openly in Japan before a new century starts...

[Taro Toporific]

..."gooks go home" bumper sticker on a black van: no probs...

So, will the anti-hate speech ruling ban the goons in the black sound trucks?
(Nope.)

[Samurai_Jerk]

This decision is essentially saying it's only wrong because of the the content of what the protesters were saying not because of their actions.

Which looks to me like you are changing tack.

Maybe "only" was an overstatement but you should still only be punished for the action not the motivation for the action.

[GomiGirl]

The only native Japanese are the Ainu.

The rest are all descendents from Koreans, Chinese, Mongolians, and Polynesians. (and Dutch)

The Dutch have their seed everywhere it seems. Are they the original Adam and Eve?

[Coligny]

The only native Japanese are the Ainu.

The rest are all descendents from Koreans, Chinese, Mongolians, and Polynesians. (and Dutch)

The Dutch have their seed everywhere it seems. Are they the original Adam and Eve?

At first yes, then some fish started to walk on land... Only the D00tsh stayed under water until much later when they started to erect levees...

[Russell]

The only native Japanese are the Ainu.

The rest are all descendents from Koreans, Chinese, Mongolians, and Polynesians. (and Dutch)

The Dutch have their seed everywhere it seems. Are they the original Adam and Eve?

Actually they are, but that didn't work out so well...

[Coligny]

..."gooks go home" bumper sticker on a black van: no probs...

So, will the anti-hate speech ruling ban the goons in the black sound trucks?
(Nope.)

Most of these uyoku bullshit, loudspeakers, slow truck blocking traffic, dangerous convoys, are already covered by the road and traffic laws or the local nuisances ordonances. But since the politicians campaining do exactly the same shit... The 5-0 can only weep in silence...

[J.A.F.O]

It's probably also worth noting that many of the Koreans the demonstrators are targeting were born and raised here, so "going home" isn't really an option. And it's not their parents' fault or their parents' parents' fault either.

I dunno have they ever tried to go back to korea? It might very well be an option. And in a way it kinda is their parents or parents' parents fault. They made the choice. Does it mean it was a bad choice? That's up to them. I'm sure if they were really motivated to go back they could find a way.

Should they attempt to avoid discrimination by using only Japanese names, speaking only Japanese, and hiding their ethnic background? That, historically, has been the case for many. Same for people of Ainu or Burakumin extraction who hid their background so they wouldn't be denied decent jobs, marriage prospects, etc.Part of the reason for all the anti-whatever nastiness of late, I think, is that those ethnic minorities who have long existed in Japan have simply stopped hiding their backgrounds and in fact started showing a little ethnic pride.

If I moved to a country (japan is probably a bad example because I can't just blend in here) But say I moved to France (could be Denmark or Norway or wherever, France just has better food) I pick up the language, settle and become a productive member of French society. If I decided to root in France and make it my home, I am not gonna teach my kids they are U.S. Americans. I'm gonna assimilate. I can think of a very prominent, mostly German family doing this in England right now.

I'll be honest I can see most other U.S. Americans pull that line of B.S. because of a minimum 12 years of public brainwashing... but it's tripe. I make no bones about not liking nihonland and overall I don't plan to stay here. But on the flip side I don't fill my kid's head with anti-nihon rhetoric either. (that's why I come here ) This might be the home they chose to stay in and they need to be able to have some social skills even if I find them backwards.

What's even worse are those that say "I can't go back, my home country is tyranical" or "I'm a refugee" or or or (fill in excuse here) OK, So you go to a less shitty country because you aren't willing to risk your life, liberty, or property to depose said tyranny or work to make meaningful changes in your own country, then bitch about how good/bad you have it the less shitty country... get lost. Not picking on anyone here at FG but I actually hear this monologue on a semi regular basis.

I'm also prepared to bet that if you did the research you'd find that some of the anti-Korean racists are actually ethnically Korean or part Korean, possibly to their own surprise.

Reminds me of the proud German family that found out they were jews, but their grandparents forged documents to avoid Nazi authorities.

[Yokohammer]

I dunno have they ever tried to go back to korea? It might very well be an option. And in a way it kinda is their parents or parents' parents fault. They made the choice. Does it mean it was a bad choice? That's up to them. I'm sure if they were really motivated to go back they could find a way.

Quick history lesson: Korea was annexed by Japan from 1910 through 1945. Koreans were conscripted for Japan's war efforts, and recruited for other work in Japan as well. Some immigrated by choice, I'm sure, but many were made offers that they couldn't refuse, so to speak.

The numbers are not insignificant. This is the origin of the majority of Japan's current "zainichi" Korean population.

[J.A.F.O]

I dunno have they ever tried to go back to korea? It might very well be an option. And in a way it kinda is their parents or parents' parents fault. They made the choice. Does it mean it was a bad choice? That's up to them. I'm sure if they were really motivated to go back they could find a way.

Quick history lesson: Korea was annexed by Japan from 1910 through 1945. Koreans were conscripted for Japan's war efforts, and recruited for other work in Japan as well. Some immigrated by choice, I'm sure, but many were made offers that they couldn't refuse, so to speak.

The numbers are not insignificant. This is the origin of the majority of Japan's current "zainichi" Korean population.

I'm aware of this and I refer to my previous statement. I'm not ignorant of the history of japan.

I dunno have they ever tried to go back to korea? It might very well be an option. And in a way it kinda is their parents or parents' parents fault. They made the choice. Does it mean it was a bad choice? That's up to them. I'm sure if they were really motivated to go back they could find a way.

They still made the choice to stay... There is always a choice. Sometimes the options are just grim.

If they truly don't like their situation I'm sure they could repatriate to korea. In a way this is the same argument used during the late 70's and 80's (actually its a very old argument) by some extremely "conservative" groups why African Americans should repatriate back to Africa as they did with the American Colonization Society by establishing Liberia. And ultimately the final argument rested with the fact that freed slaves had significantly more opportunity for progress in America despite the "separate but equal" segregation of the time and potential current racism of today. And the general consensus of African Americans proved correct looking at the the current state of Liberia.

Now I don't subscribe to a lot of ideology but I explained all of that just to point to fact that they could choose NOT to be harassed in Japan. They DO have a choice. Its just a choice to take the bad with the good over fear of the unknown. Furthermore I am NOT making a moral judgement about their decision (or non decision) and that's the crux of my thoughts on the matter. Free Choice, Free speech, and Free Opinion.

[matsuki]

..."gooks go home" bumper sticker on a black van: no probs...

So, will the anti-hate speech ruling ban the goons in the black sound trucks?
(Nope.)

Most of these uyoku bullshit, loudspeakers, slow truck blocking traffic, dangerous convoys, are already covered by the road and traffic laws or the local nuisances ordonances. But since the politicians campaining do exactly the same shit... The 5-0 can only weep in silence...

Weep? You mean join/lead their shit parade?

[Samurai_Jerk]

Weep? You mean join/lead their shit parade?

I don't know about that. I think a lot of the cops do hate them. Maybe not the hierarchy but the regular dudes who have to deal with them on a near daily basis. Back in '99 I went to Yasukuni Jinja on August 15th to check out the uyoku activity. That was the year the Kimigayo was officially recognized as the national anthem so they were in an especially good mood. There were tons of cops there to make sure things didn't get out of hand. There was this one cop in riot gear who was staring the right wingers down big time and clenching his baton so tightly I thought he might snap it in half. I'm sure his knuckles were white under his gloves. This guy had a look of contempt on his face like I have never seen on anyone in my life and a palpable seething rage the likes of which I've never felt. It was actually scary even though I knew it wasn't directed at me. I could tell he was just waiting for one of those guys to step out of line in the slightest. Unfortunately everybody behaved because if that guy had been unleashed there would have been some uyoku heads split wide open.

[matsuki]

Weep? You mean join/lead their shit parade?

I don't know about that. I think a lot of the cops do hate them. Maybe not the hierarchy but the regular dudes who have to deal with them on a near daily basis. Back in '99 I went to Yasukuni Jinja on August 15th to check out the uyoku activity. That was the year the Kimigayo was officially recognized as the national anthem so they were in an especially good mood. There were tons of cops there to make sure things didn't get out of hand. There was this one cop in riot gear who was staring the right wingers down big time and clenching his baton so tightly I thought he might snap it in half. I'm sure his knuckles were white under his gloves. This guy had a look of contempt on his face like I have never seen on anyone in my life and a palpable seething rage the likes of which I've never felt. It was actually scary even though I knew it wasn't directed at me. I could tell he was just waiting for one of those guys to step out of line in the slightest. Unfortunately everybody behaved because if that guy had been unleashed there would have been some uyoku heads split wide open.

Oh, I'm sure some of them do. I was more referring to walking/driving in front of the parades as they move. Did you get any flack for being there at the time?

Funny sidenote but yesterday I got the best and worst of Japanese discrimination in one day. My Suica/Pasmo feature on my keitai errored and when I went to the counter, they claimed I had entered the gate in Tokyo on saturday...I wasn't even in Tokyo on Sat so I pulled out some receipts to show the eki staff and got the biggest "fuck you gaijin, always trouble" type sigh and reaction. They ended up removing it without further debate but dude was really bitchy about the whole thing and animated with plenty of batsu signs as if I didn't understand what he was saying. Then I ended up at a family restaurant for dinner. Water/towels were apparently only available at the drink bar but I didn't know/see so I asked the waiter. Guy didn't just explain it, next thing I knew, he went over and got both for me and mentioned he knew in other countries that's how things were done. (not necessary at all but genuine kindness is fucking refreshing!)

[Coligny]

..."gooks go home" bumper sticker on a black van: no probs...

So, will the anti-hate speech ruling ban the goons in the black sound trucks?
(Nope.)

Most of these uyoku bullshit, loudspeakers, slow truck blocking traffic, dangerous convoys, are already covered by the road and traffic laws or the local nuisances ordonances. But since the politicians campaining do exactly the same shit... The 5-0 can only weep in silence...

Weep? You mean join/lead their shit parade?

Pretty sure most JCops hates anything that interrupt their daydreaming at the koban. And they also know firsthand that most shitheads/troublemakers in Japan are not durty fureigners... A little along the line of good commanders resent going to war.

[Yokohammer]

They still made the choice to stay... There is always a choice. Sometimes the options are just grim

You're grounding your argument about people who had no choice in being brought to Japan and forced into underpaid labor on "There is always a choice"?

Time to move on, I think.

[TennoChinko]

[Coligny]

too subtul, I genuinely don't get it...

[Samurai_Jerk]

too subtul, I genuinely don't get it...

I think he's trying to say that we're guilty of the same kind of discrimination towards Koreans that some of us think should be banned as hate speech. It's a stretch but not much of one considering the way free speech has been curtailed in Western Europe, Canada, and Australia in recent years.

[J.A.F.O]

They still made the choice to stay... There is always a choice. Sometimes the options are just grim

You're grounding your argument about people who had no choice in being brought to Japan and forced into underpaid labor on "There is always a choice"?

Time to move on, I think.

You chose to stay

[matsuki]

...or Japan is heading to North Korea free speach status?

[Coligny]

Hey, that might come with free week end at the beach too...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

It's a stretch but not much of one considering the way free speech has been curtailed in Western Europe, Canada, and Australia in recent years.

It's not "recent years" in Australia. Down Under does not, nor has ever, had Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech (except regarding political issues).

[Coligny]

It's a stretch but not much of one considering the way free speech has been curtailed in Western Europe, Canada, and Australia in recent years.

It's not "recent years" in Australia. Down Under does not, nor has ever, had Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech (except regarding political issues).

They speak a real language ? I though it was just random grunts...

[Samurai_Jerk]

It's a stretch but not much of one considering the way free speech has been curtailed in Western Europe, Canada, and Australia in recent years.

It's not "recent years" in Australia. Down Under does not, nor has ever, had Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech (except regarding political issues).

I'm aware of that. However, that doesn't mean that curtailing free speech in the guise of stopping hate speech hasn't gotten worse in the past decade or two.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

It's a stretch but not much of one considering the way free speech has been curtailed in Western Europe, Canada, and Australia in recent years.

It's not "recent years" in Australia. Down Under does not, nor has ever, had Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech (except regarding political issues).

They speak a real language ? I though it was just random grunts...

Go fuck yourself you frog piece of merde.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

It's a stretch but not much of one considering the way free speech has been curtailed in Western Europe, Canada, and Australia in recent years.

It's not "recent years" in Australia. Down Under does not, nor has ever, had Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech (except regarding political issues).

I'm aware of that. However, that doesn't mean that curtailing free speech in the guise of stopping hate speech hasn't gotten worse in the past decade or two.

I stand with you (and exercised my Japanese right to freedom of hate speech in the post above). I don't like a lot of what's said, but I think I like it less that you can be jailed for what you say...as I theoretically could for what I said to Coligny in the post above were I in my native land. I could also be fined if I'd added a "fuck" or other such profanity to the above. Banning hate speech is not a good direction to head in.

[Coligny]

Wait, it was not foreplay ? You cocksucking dickhole !