Beheading monday...

[Coligny]

Parents of Sasebo girl tried to put daughter in psychiatric ward

The first-year high school student arrested for allegedly killing and dismembering her classmate in Sasebo, Nagasaki Prefecture, told her stepmother about her desire to kill someone a few days before the grisly slaying last month, and her parents then attempted to admit her in a psychiatric ward but failed, her father revealed Monday through a lawyer.

According to the lawyer, while in a car on the way to a psychiatric consultation on July 23, the girl — with a serious look on her face — told her mother she found it fun to kill cats, and then said she wanted to kill a person.

The lawyer also made public an account written by the father about the family’s exchanges during psychiatric consultations.

According to the document, the mother told the psychiatrist about the girl’s homicide wish on July 23, but the specialist terminated the session by saying, “We don’t have time today.”

The father said that the doctor lacked a sense of urgency.

The lawyer said the account was solely given by the father and not verified by consulting the hospital.

The day before the July 26 killing of 15-year-old Aiwa Matsuo in the suspect’s apartment, the suspect’s parents visited the psychiatric ward and asked if that hospital or another institution could admit her. The request was not granted after the doctor said she would have to be assigned an individual room and other hospitals would find it difficult to meet that requirement, according to the father.

About 20 days before the murder, the doctor told her parents that the girl had killed a cat and suggested that they consult police, according to the father’s account.

On July 25, the day before Matsuo was killed, the parents, after speaking with the doctor, decided to check with a child consultation center instead of bringing the girl directly to the attention of the police, according to the father’s account.

The father called the child consultation center in Sasebo that day but was told that staff had already left for the day and he was asked to call back on Monday, July 28. The father then found out the center is also open on Sundays and decided to go there that Sunday morning, according to the account.

The lawyer said the girl had been seeing a psychiatrist after she hit and injured the father with a baseball bat in March.

The father was told by the psychiatrist around that time that his life would be in danger if he continued to live with his daughter, according to the lawyer. The girl moved to the condominium in April.

She was arrested July 27 after the classmate’s mutilated body was found in the condo.

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So, it was very clear that she has all the elements in her of a serial killer, and still those psychiatrists/psychologists didn't want to admit her.

What are they there for in the first place?

Come on, it's just a schoolgirl, what's the worse that can happen/as safe as flying an aircraft/don't panic/i think i got it all covered....

[matsuki]

Do they shrug it off as "utsubyou" and medicate?

[Russell]

Yep, it's true.

Japan teen murder accused kept cat's head in fridge

A 16-year-old Japanese schoolgirl who allegedly confessed to decapitating a classmate kept a severed cat head in her refrigerator, a report said Tuesday.

The teen was arrested last week on suspicion of murdering fellow student Aiwa Matsuo, 15, after police discovered her dismembered body on a bed in the suspect’s home in the western Japanese city of Sasebo.

The grisly case has attracted major media attention in a country with one of the world’s lowest crime rates, as commentators search for answers to explain the teenager’s pattern of increasingly violent behaviour.

Some reports have suggested the parents of the girl—who wasn’t named because she is a minor—desperately sought to have her hospitalised but were rebuffed.

On Tuesday, the Mainichi newspaper said investigators found a severed cat head in a refrigerator and about one million yen ($10,000) in cash at the apartment where the girl lived alone.

She had reportedly been living there since April on the advice of psychiatrists after she battered her father with a baseball bat.

Her father—who remarried about three months ago after the girl’s mother died of cancer last year—is believed to have given the cash to his daughter, who reportedly told investigators that she “wanted to dissect someone”.

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Also Tuesday, the Mainichi and Jiji Press news agency reported that the suspect told her stepmother that she planned to murder a person after growing bored of killing animals.

A day before the incident, her parents consulted with a psychiatrist and tried to get the girl hospitalised but the request was turned down due to lack of space at the facility, Jiji said.

The father then called a local child welfare office, but a security guard told him to telephone back after the weekend.

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Typical case of a serial killer. These people kill others as entertainment, and it is impossible to reeducate them.

The scary thing is that this girl will be back on the streets in not too much time, because she is a minor. I predict that she will kill more people in her future.

Hoping they will catch up with her in time.

[dimwit]

Typical case of a serial killer. These people kill others as entertainment, and it is impossible to reeducate them.

The scary thing is that this girl will be back on the streets in not too much time, because she is a minor. I predict that she will kill more people in her future.

Hoping they will catch up with her in time.

Technically, she is not a serial killer as she only killed one person. Psychopathic murderer would be more precise.

[Coligny]

Typical case of a serial killer. These people kill others as entertainment, and it is impossible to reeducate them.

The scary thing is that this girl will be back on the streets in not too much time, because she is a minor. I predict that she will kill more people in her future.

Hoping they will catch up with her in time.

Technically, she is not a serial killer as she only killed one person. Psychopathic murderer would be more precise.

Russell is just predicting the coming storm with this girl. Give it time... Check the serial killer definition... And see how well she match all the tickmarks...

[Samurai_Jerk]

So if a kid dissects cats as a hobby, attacks a family member with a bat, tells you she's going to murder someone because she's bored, and you can't get her institutionalized the next best thing is to leave her unsupervised in a separate apartment you've rented for her across town with a big pile of cash!?!?

I don't generally believe in holding parents criminally responsible for the actions of their children but this might be one of those exceptions to the rule. Possibly the psychiatrist too depending on how doctor-patient confidentiality works in Japan. I believe in the US it can be broken if you think the person is going to hurt herself or someone else.

[LUBA]

I think it's wrong to blame the parents on this one.

Taking care of her "remotely" seems a good option, with frequent 'checks' on her.
I'm not sure if her father checked on her frequently or not, but if he really left there $10.000 probably didn't plan to do it for a while.

Question for everyone:
If you were the father, what would you do If your daugther already tried to kill you with a bat and had an history of poisoning food?


PS: I'm new in the foruns, this is my first post.
Not native English, sorry about language mistakes.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Call the cops like the shrink suggested.

[Taro Toporific]

I'm new in the forums, this is my first post.

Welcome aboard the Gaijin Titanic!

Not native English, sorry about language mistakes.

Don't worry. The fuckedgaijin member, Coligny, is in charge of making all the language mistakes so the rest of us look good.

[Coligny]

I think it's wrong to blame the parents on this one.

Taking care of her "remotely" seems a good option, with frequent 'checks' on her.
I'm not sure if her father checked on her frequently or not, but if he really left there $10.000 probably didn't plan to do it for a while.

Question for everyone:
If you were the father, what would you do If your daugther already tried to kill you with a bat and had an history of poisoning food?


PS: I'm new in the foruns, this is my first post.
Not native English, sorry about language mistakes.

Walcome Loubah ! Me good to you friendship evermore ! (Are you an Ukrainian female, or a male FBI agent ? Both could explain the litteramacy issues)

Your question has no answer, the father used up all the legal process available. Making every single civil servant that refused to act guilty of facilitating murder... (No Hypocratic oath in Japan, so private doctors and clinic are perfectly fine with refusing a customer...)

Only options remaining: Put her into a monastery in switzerlandistan... Sell her to a brothel in Mexico.
Put her on BlackWater payroll, on duty in Guantanamo...

[matsuki]

Call the cops like the shrink suggested.

Remember this is Japan...even in the US I'm not so sure what could be done by the police. Remember this is also a cuntry where shit like "sorry, this hospital is full" or "sorry, we're closed til monday" is all too common so I find it hard to fault the father here. That much money must have meant he was too scared to go check on her himself...which is also understandable. Maybe he could have tied her up? and kept her that way until they found a hospital?

[yanpa]

Call the cops like the shrink suggested.

Remember this is Japan...even in the US I'm not so sure what could be done by the police. Remember this is also a cuntry where shit like "sorry, this hospital is full" or "sorry, we're closed til monday" is all too common so I find it hard to fault the father here. That much money must have meant he was too scared to go check on her himself...which is also understandable. Maybe he could have tied her up? and kept her that way until they found a hospital?

I'm sure there must be a market for some kind of arbitrage system which pairs parents with psycho kids and the kind of person who likes to keep people imprisoned in their home.

[Coligny]

. Maybe he could have tied her up? and kept her that way until they found a hospital?

You've been watchin' dat clown incest rape pr0n DVD again did'ya ?

[matsuki]

. Maybe he could have tied her up? and kept her that way until they found a hospital?

You've been watchin' dat clown incest rape pr0n DVD again did'ya ?

some kind of arbitrage system

[Samurai_Jerk]

Call the cops like the shrink suggested.

Remember this is Japan...even in the US I'm not so sure what could be done by the police. Remember this is also a cuntry where shit like "sorry, this hospital is full" or "sorry, we're closed til monday" is all too common so I find it hard to fault the father here. That much money must have meant he was too scared to go check on her himself...which is also understandable. Maybe he could have tied her up? and kept her that way until they found a hospital?

If a kid butchered cats, hit her father with a bat, poisoned food, and talked of plans to kill a person next, you could at least get her locked up for observation in the US. And if you got lucky, they'd send the SWAT team who'd shoot her to death for picking her nose when they yelled, "FREEZE!"

Anyway, since he didn't call the cops, we'll never know what would have happened here. It sounds like dad could have at least afforded to hire someone to keep an eye on her. Maybe a chimpira with a baseball bat of his own who's not afraid of a 15-year-old girl.

If I were the father, I wouldn't have let her out of my sight till I found a place that would take her. This guy sounds like a real pussy.

[matsuki]

If a kid butchered cats, hit her father with a bat, poisoned food, and talked of plans to kill a person next, you could at least get her locked up for observation in the US. And if you got lucky, they'd send the SWAT team who'd shoot her to death for picking her nose when they yelled, "FREEZE!"

LOL...but in the US, she wouldn't have been turned away from a mental hospital.

Anyway, since he didn't call the cops, we'll never know what would have happened here. It sounds like dad could have at least afforded to hire someone to keep an eye on her. Maybe a chimpira with a baseball bat of his own who's not afraid of a 15-year-old girl.

If I were the father, I wouldn't have let her out of my sight till I found a place that would take her. This guy sounds like a real pussy.

That's what IPU was saying too, "pussy ass j-d00d can't even handle a 15yo girl"....but we don't know the details of the baseball attack. Dude might have been sleeping when she clocked him in the head....but I agree, he shouldn't have left her on her own, restrain the lil bitch til you find a hospital that will take her. (that being said, apparently handcuffs are illegal in Japan)

[wagyl]

That's what IPU was saying too, "pussy ass j-d00d can't even handle a 15yo girl"....but we don't know the details of the baseball attack. Dude might have been sleeping when she clocked him in the head....but I agree, he shouldn't have left her on her own, restrain the lil bitch til you find a hospital that will take her. (that being said, apparently handcuffs are illegal in Japan)

Trying not to take it too personal, I seem to remember that IPU decided some kind of escape, even though it meant giving up full access to some little people he loves, was his best response to violence. I can imagine there would be a fair degree of "surely she wouldn't" going through his head before it came to the "OMG she did."

[matsuki]

That's what IPU was saying too, "pussy ass j-d00d can't even handle a 15yo girl"....but we don't know the details of the baseball attack. Dude might have been sleeping when she clocked him in the head....but I agree, he shouldn't have left her on her own, restrain the lil bitch til you find a hospital that will take her. (that being said, apparently handcuffs are illegal in Japan)

Trying not to take it too personal, I seem to remember that IPU decided some kind of escape, even though it meant giving up full access to some little people he loves, was his best response to violence. I can imagine there would be a fair degree of "surely she wouldn't" going through his head before it came to the "OMG she did."

In other words...

[Russell]

That's what IPU was saying too, "pussy ass j-d00d can't even handle a 15yo girl"....but we don't know the details of the baseball attack. Dude might have been sleeping when she clocked him in the head....but I agree, he shouldn't have left her on her own, restrain the lil bitch til you find a hospital that will take her. (that being said, apparently handcuffs are illegal in Japan)

Trying not to take it too personal, I seem to remember that IPU decided some kind of escape, even though it meant giving up full access to some little people he loves, was his best response to violence. I can imagine there would be a fair degree of "surely she wouldn't" going through his head before it came to the "OMG she did."

Being aggressive or quickly agitated does not make a person a serial killer.

For that, at least a lack of empathy is necessary (like all psychopaths have).

[wagyl]

I'm not entirely sure that Russell's comment was in response to what I wrote, but just in case it was, I was trying to say that IPU is maybe not really in a position to judge another person as pussy ass. To make it further clear, I do not think either IPU or the gentleman in question are pussy ass.

[Samurai_Jerk]

That's what IPU was saying too, "pussy ass j-d00d can't even handle a 15yo girl"....but we don't know the details of the baseball attack. Dude might have been sleeping when she clocked him in the head.

That's not what I was talking about. I'm very aware that a 15-year-old (actually 16, her victim was 15) girl with a baseball could be very dangerous. Especially if she gets you by surprise. I'm talking about everything that went down after that.

[Russell]

I'm not entirely sure that Russell's comment was in response to what I wrote, but just in case it was, I was trying to say that IPU is maybe not really in a position to judge another person as pussy ass. To make it further clear, I do not think either IPU or the gentleman in question are pussy ass.

OK, I guess my mind is getting misty already at this time of the day.

Thanks for clearing that up. I agree with you.

[LUBA]

Sell her to a brothel in Mexico.

Thats actually a good idea, to a brothel in the middle of those cartels, 'worst case', she would dissect whatever she can around there!

Welcome aboard the Gaijin Titanic!

Only 1 year in the big boat and already feel like it!

[matsuki]

That's what IPU was saying too, "pussy ass j-d00d can't even handle a 15yo girl"....but we don't know the details of the baseball attack. Dude might have been sleeping when she clocked him in the head.

That's not what I was talking about. I'm very aware that a 15-year-old (actually 16, her victim was 15) girl with a baseball could be very dangerous. Especially if she gets you by surprise. I'm talking about everything that went down after that.

Ahh, in that case, I agree....the lack of balls in parenting is getting worse everywhere.

[IparryU]

I'm not entirely sure that Russell's comment was in response to what I wrote, but just in case it was, I was trying to say that IPU is maybe not really in a position to judge another person as pussy ass. To make it further clear, I do not think either IPU or the gentleman in question are pussy ass.

I have a stupid cultural moral where i wont hit a woman... So the only way i could prevent that was to leave. If my kid would have hit me that is grounds for an ass whoopin and some manual labor.

The dude most likely didn't pay two fucks of attention to his daughter.

That and having been in an abusive situation, i would think my opinion outweighs a bit more... Cause I have seen it, lived it, etc.

But comparing situations like wife hitting husband and leaving vs daughter hitting dad and being sent off to solitude...

A bit of a fucked comparison don't you think... I am a grown man, i know how to take care of my self and had a support system in place. She is a young girl that just started menstruating a few years back, lost her mother, and has a coward father that quickly remarried after his spouses death and "most likely" neglects his daughter...

Dont think my opinion is that far off base, but all up to the individual and much needed info none of us have atm.

[wagyl]

The comparison was between you and the father, not between you and the daughter.

The world of the teenage girl:

(I am loath to link a full movie uploaded obviously illegally to Youtube, but it is most convenient in this case. Yes, it is a dramatisation, but by all reports an accurate one)

[Samurai_Jerk]

I have a stupid cultural moral where i wont hit a woman

You say that as if you're unusual in that respect.

If my kid would have hit me that is grounds for an ass whoopin and some manual labor.

So hitting a full grow women is wrong even if she physically assaults you but beating children is OK. Got it.

[IparryU]

I have a stupid cultural moral where i wont hit a woman

You say that as if you're unusual in that respect.

If my kid would have hit me that is grounds for an ass whoopin and some manual labor.

So hitting a full grow women is wrong even if she physically assaults you but beating children is OK. Got it.

with all these feminists and women should be equal stuff going around nowadays, it is just an old tradition that is overplayed. if you can hit someone, be prepared to defend. It is as if I were to hit you... a much bigger human and expect you to bow down cuase I am half your size. Dat would be a strong pimp hand if that could happen easily though.

i didn't say beat my child, an ass whoopin could be a spanking... which sure the hell aint beating a kid.

but you have to start when they are young, cant spank a 15 yo and expect results.

but in my case I have boys and if they were anything like i was at 15, they could put me out if they caught me from behind, so in case of that nut job girl, hitting her dad with a bat from the side or behind would be easy work.

[Samurai_Jerk]

i didn't say beat my child, an ass whoopin could be a spanking... which sure the hell aint beating a kid.

beat
verb
1. strike (a person or an animal) repeatedly and violently so as to hurt or injure them, typically with an implement such as a club or whip.

Spanking is quite literally beating.

[IparryU]

i didn't say beat my child, an ass whoopin could be a spanking... which sure the hell aint beating a kid.

beat
verb
1. strike (a person or an animal) repeatedly and violently so as to hurt or injure them, typically with an implement such as a club or whip.

Spanking is quite literally beating.

Dude, I am Mexican... but not that Mexican...

What you are probably thinking about...?
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0303/spanking.html

Godly Tips on How to Punish and Beat Your Christian Child
1. To begin with, a Christian parent must understand that a child will never learn a lesson unless they are beaten on their naked bottoms until the imprint of the rugged cross is plainly visible on both cheeks. (Proverbs 23:13-14) A clothed bottom is less humiliating and less painful for the wicked child. In fact, the child may feel no pain at all if they are cunning enough to sin while wearing heavy jeans or khaki pants. A youngster who can sit comfortably after a Godly beating will think they have outsmarted you and tend to repeat their misdeed and feel a license to move on to more hardcore sins, like rape and blasphemy. If a child is able to sit down within three days without ointment or a bag of frozen vegetables after their punishment, you have failed as a Christian parent. A good spanking should be traumatic and something the child will remember well into adulthood.

Your parents never spanked you? Would you consider that a beating?

Would you spank your kids if you ever decided to go that route....


(which is most likely a no... so you will say no and some bullshit response to my bullshit response)