[NeoNecroNomiCron]

>> cliffy, forget about it. What your grandfather done, was good he could look beyond religion and see good in others. Which most religions dont tollerate, i.e. our way is the only way, they are sinners, useless,dirty, immoral, bla bla bla. Jews and cat-a-holics are the worst for it. Jews say everybody are antisematic while while calling everybody unclean. Why bother even try and be a part of any of these institutions.

>> thepumpkinclock, you can excommunicate yourself also lol.

While it's true that there are some Christian fundamentalists that believe this type of stuff (non-Christian=Brimstone and hellfire), you guys should keep in mind that most branches of Christianity (such as Catholicism) are pretty liberal about their feelings on other religions (Pope John Paul II went so far as to publicly apologized for any anti-Semitic actions committed by Christians while visiting Israel).

Religious types will always dismiss the failing of their religion to make it comfortable for you to join. Or do what ever means to rope you into their religion. Do you know where the expression "rice christians" comes from.

don't you think praising the slaughter and crucifixion of Christians is a bit much?

Just becasue I attack the merrits of religions, does not mean I dont hold all life sacred. I value all human life while religion is often the cause of war. Even Bush has convinced himself that he is killing out of moral and religious good.

I bet there will be a few more rice christians on the lists soon. Since day one of the war Missionaries were flying out to Iraq for what reason I ask. Was it a good will gesture. Why didnt they fly out Muslims as a good will gesture.

Dont flame me with religious and political propaganda its wasted on me, I have renounced my religion that I had as a child and i believe no ideology of any politician.

[cliffy]

I have made my bones with religion. I just like baiting zealots because all human groups have something from their past to hide, some even admit as much

[thepumpkinclock]

Ultragajin, that's not true. It just is a fact that most of the extremist religious groups do generate from the southern states with lower education rates, lower income, so on and so forth. That's just how it is, I'm not at all generalizing every southerner into this catagory, I'm simply saying that some of them are. And I'm from Florida, so, yea.

Since day one of the war Missionaries were flying out to Iraq for what reason I ask. Was it a good will gesture.

You have to put yourself in the shoes of a Christian missionary who believe with all their heart and soul that Jesus is the savior, and that worshiping him will help your soul enter heaven. Just take that mindset. In their belief, they feel that they are doing the best thing they possibly can for other people. It should be realized that even if you don't agree with these people, they are doing it out of their interpretation for good.

Gah, sorry if it sounds like I'm bombarding you with religious propaganda, but I just felt like everyone was attacking Christianity kind of recklessly. Believing in it or not, shouldn't there be a mutual respect for all beliefs (from Athiests to Christians?)

(Cliffy, I'm not saying it didn't happen, it's just, well, did you get a letter from the Pope? Becase that would be an interesting thing to read).

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

Gah, sorry if it sounds like I'm bombarding you with religious propaganda, but I just felt like everyone was attacking Christianity kind of recklessly. Believing in it or not, shouldn't there be a mutual respect for all beliefs (from Athiests to Christians?)

In a short answer: No. Religion often incites and 'justifies' racism. e.g. northern Ireland. If mankind is ever going to live happily together religion will have to be abolished.

And for all those weak people that need the religious crutch they should take up a useful hobby that encourages social interaction.

[Big Booger]

I think any religion when left unchecked can be dangerous. I think religion is good for the masses. It keeps a lot of people out of trouble and gives them a reason to live.

On the other hand as has been pointed out in previous threads/posts, religion has also be the conflicting force that drives people to murder, discriminate, hate, etc... Whether supported by religion or not these things are facts.. 9/11 was done in the name of Allah..

The suicide bombers of Palestine, have also done their deeds in hopes to be a religious martyr..

I am not anti-(stick your religion here), I say whatever rings your bell..

I will say though that the second your religion inflicts or injects itself to change or alter either positively or negatively those that do not believe.. (in the name of god), then you are wrong.


I don't think like neochromoalloy that religion should be abolished...

I think all religions should teach religious tolerance and diversity. What is wrong with a Christian learning about Buddhism? Or a Muslim learning about Jainism?

What happens is the religious zealots are fearful of losing one person.. so they cast down all other religions on the basis that their religion is the one true religion.


"This has been a message of the Emergency "Wake your Ass Up and Smell the coffee" broadcasting system"

[American Oyaji]

I don't know where people get the idea that Christians think they are better than other people.

I sure don't think so. I've screwed up so many times in my life it's amazing. And I know that God has forgiven me and WILL forgive me for my future screw ups.

Thats not saying I go around screwing up on purpose cuz I know God will forgive me. Thats the problem I have with Catholics. They do that kind of thing. I strive to avoid behaviour that God doesn't like.

Christians aren't sinless. They just sin less and less and less.
Christians aren't perfect, they're forgiven.

And I DON"T consider Catholicism a true branch of Christianity. (for dif reasons).

Do I think if you don't accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, you will go to hell? Unapolgetically YES.

But that is between you and God.

Do I try to convince people of the truth of God's word and his divine promise? YES.

But if you don't want to listen and shut me down, all I can do is pray for you.

I can't beat you over the head with a broom handle until you recant your heathen ways. That would be wrong. I spread the gospel, but if you don't wanna hear it, i cant shove it down your throat until you spew it back word for word.

They who have ears, let them hear.

God doesn't want ANYONE to go to hell. But he gave us free will. So it's your choice. God's way or hell. It don't matter if you beleive it or not. It's still truth.

And God's way is QUITE easy actually. It's a matter of WANTING do be clean and do the right thing.

[Caustic Saint]

Do I try to convince people of the truth of God's word and his divine promise? YES.

But if you don't want to listen and shut me down, all I can do is pray for you.

I can't beat you over the head with a broom handle until you recant your heathen ways. That would be wrong. I spread the gospel, but if you don't wanna hear it, i cant shove it down your throat until you spew it back word for word.

My question here is, "how much does it take to shut you down?" I hate it when people want to talk to me about "god, jesus and all that blather," so if someboody tells you once, politely, will you leave them alone?

God doesn't want ANYONE to go to hell. But he gave us free will. So it's your choice. God's way or hell. It don't matter if you beleive it or not. It's still truth.

And God's way is QUITE easy actually. It's a matter of WANTING do be clean and do the right thing.

Here's another sticking point. EVERY religion believes theirs is the "one true path to salvation." Everybody can't be right, so what makes you so certain yours is the right choice?

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

Hmmm, oh yes a loving god created hell to inflect pain for all eternity, just that sort of religious nonsense made me abandon religion.

Please please try to save me.

I sure hope they have porn when I go to hell, an eternity with out vice would be hell for me

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

God doesn't want ANYONE to go to hell. But he gave us free will. So it's your choice. God's way or hell. It don't matter if you beleive it or not. It's still truth.

And God's way is QUITE easy actually. It's a matter of WANTING do be clean and do the right thing.

Here's another sticking point. EVERY religion believes theirs is the "one true path to salvation." Everybody can't be right, so what makes you so certain yours is the right choice?

Good Point but you will probably get another vague answer like, he will make an exception for thoes that strved to pratice a religion in good faith.

It seems that most of us FG dont have a religion and i tought i was the only one.

[ramchop]

Has anyone not heard these arguements before? I understand why the Christians bother arguing their case (and I'm not one of them), but really what are the non-believers trying to achieve here?

Anyway here's what really happens:

Everything you see exists together, in a delicate balance. As king, you need to understand that balance, and respect all the creatures-- from the crawling ant to the leaping antelope.

When we die, our bodies become the grass. And the antelope eat the grass. And so we are all connected in the great Circle of Life.

Good morning, Zazu

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

So if a bad person has faith in god and is repentant he goes to heaven. But sombody who strives to do good to others through out their lives is condemed.

Where can I sign up I want to do bad and repent and be saved.



I think FG.com should have a chat room, I am to impatient, a sin I bet.

[cstaylor]

'justifies' racism. e.g. northern Ireland

How is the conflict in Northern Ireland racism?

[Big Booger]

CS in Northern Ireland the Green haired leprechauns are fighting over the red haired leprechauns's assertion that the devil turned their hair red and that is why they must repent.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

'justifies' racism. e.g. northern Ireland

How is the conflict in Northern Ireland racism?

Becasue most 'Prods' are English(i.e. supporters of the crown), most cat-a-holics are Irish. Irish hate English, Prods hate cat-a-holics, and vice versa.

[kamome]

'justifies' racism. e.g. northern Ireland

How is the conflict in Northern Ireland racism?

Becasue most 'Prods' are English(i.e. supporters of the crown), most cat-a-holics are Irish. Irish hate English, Prods hate cat-a-holics, and vice versa.

Since when did the English and Irish become separate races? You're confusing race and nationality, which is something the Japanese are also guilty of.

[thepumpkinclock]

Do I think if you don't accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, you will go to hell? Unapolgetically YES.

That's a bit of a more orthodox Christian interpretation of Christianity. Progressive Catholics don't believe in a literal interpretation of the bible; they feel that the way to enter heaven is through pleasing God. And how do we please God? Doing good things deeds, helping those who need help (poor, sick, weak, etc.). Heaven is available to anyone, as long as they are good people.

If you live a life of evil, and you repent at death, you're probably going to hell. Repention isn't just words, it's an entire conversion of your soul towards sorrow and remorse for what you have done. Even then, if evil enough, purgatory might be your stop for a while (if not hell).

It don't matter if you beleive it or not. It's still truth.

This type of stuff is really dividing the world, and giving Christianity a bad name. This is not the type of attitude we should take towards other religions and beliefs. And two other things;

Thats not saying I go around screwing up on purpose cuz I know God will forgive me. Thats the problem I have with Catholics. They do that kind of thing. I strive to avoid behaviour that God doesn't like.

and

And I DON"T consider Catholicism a true branch of Christianity. (for dif reasons).

What the fuck are you talking about in your first statement ? And where does Catholicism not fall into Christianity? That whole believing in Christ thing kind of led me to believe it did.

[maraboutslim]

Since when did the English and Irish become separate races? You're confusing race and nationality, which is something the Japanese are also guilty of.

Since, umm...forever! I mean, I guess if on your list there is only "caucasian" then they are the same race. But the two groups are from very different genetic backgrounds and cultural backgrounds. The English, and the protestant residents of northern ireland who are the decendants of the colonizing English back in the day, are Anglo Saxon. The Irish are Celts.

The conflict is not about religion. The terms catholic and protestant are just shorthand to signify irish or non-irish because it's 99% true that an Irishman would be catholic and a colonialist a protestant. The conflict is about the native (or at least "more native" everyone comes from somewhere else) resisting the last 1000 years of English invasions of their land. It's about people like Cromwell invading the island and killing hundreds of thousands and then rewarding his soldiers with land that their descendant control to this day, land on which industry was built that excluded the Irish, and so on. It's about imperialism.

BTW, you may want to look up who the black and tans were before you order a black and tan next time you're in the irish pub.

[cstaylor]

BTW, you may want to look up who the black and tans were before you order a black and tan next time you're in the irish pub.

This one I know. Black and Tan were the colors of the uniforms worn by deputized ex-military men Churchill sent in to rough up the members of the IRA. Check out "The Last Lion: Alone" for more information.

[thepumpkinclock]

[Caustic Saint]

[thepumpkinclock]

World War 2 stopped the spread of the oppressive Nazi's. The thought that the Germans should have won is probably help by those who believe in Arian supremacy, but if you apply this to all wars, and beyond towards every situation, there's no longer good and evil, which isn't really...uh, I don't really understand what I'm saying. Let's end this thread.

[Caustic Saint]

WW2 was about stopping Hitler, yes. So from "our" perspective it's justified. But was there any "need" for him to go invading other countries in the first place? No. That's why all wars are travesties, not just those fought for religious reasons.

[kamome]

Since when did the English and Irish become separate races? You're confusing race and nationality, which is something the Japanese are also guilty of.

Since, umm...forever! I mean, I guess if on your list there is only "caucasian" then they are the same race. But the two groups are from very different genetic backgrounds and cultural backgrounds.

The two groups may have different histories and cultures, and the conflict may be more political than religious, but that doesn't mean they are different races. They are all Caucasian (originally), although now there is more racial diversity in the different populations.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

[Big Booger]

The term race as we know it today will eventually fade from existence. Considering that interbreeding amongst groups is occurring at a phenomenal rate, before long the characteristics that we use to determine race will no longer exist. Instead we will be judged by our affiliations, associations, background, social status, etc...

I cannot wait for this day, though I doubt I will see it in my lifetime... in fact in may take hundreds if not thousands of years for race to disappear.

But I think the one factor that will drive us to unite in a way never before seen will be if we come into contact with a hostile alien race.. then it will be us against them.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

What if the aliens land and say 'what happen here?' 20,000 years ago we altered your DNA to for distinct groups that will have a place with us in the cosmos and now we cant intergrate you into our multi alien race.

If there are aliens, why not expect them to have different races aswell.


I didnt come to Japan to have everybody the same race. Otherwise there would be no point in leaving where you are from. Race is much more than colour it is also what is inherited from your past.

[maraboutslim]

Sure, that would be great and I've certainly done my part to promote "interbreeding" (though I'd prefer a different term).

But I think you are kidding yourself if you think it's happening at a phenomenal rate. There are 2.3 billion people in China and India alone and few of these people will ever see a person from another race, much less marry them.

Even in the USA, only 4% of marriages are interracial and thats even when they consider hispanics as a separate race from "white".

-Slim

[kamome]

[maraboutslim]

kamome, and your point is? are you trying to say that just because irish and english are both caucasion they are the same? my point was that they evolved very differently, their languages are totally unrelated, and so on. whether this is because they are different races (as say, japanese and africans would be) or because they are of the same race but have different histories (as say, indians and germans), doesn't really matter. they are different people from a fundamental cultural level (i.e. "nurture") and a genetic level (i.e. "nature").

BTW, you may not be able to tell the difference between and irishman and an englishman, like i can't always tell a difference between a chinese and japanese, but people of those nationalities can easily see the physical differences.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

Acutualy there is a theme park in beijing called 56 26. it is about the 26 diferent areas of china, including mongoolia and japan. and 56 becasue there is 56 kinds of chinese.