Child Abduction Issue Explodes

[maraboutslim]

Who says these mothers have been convicted of a crime in the USA?

[McTojo]

This just really pisses me off.... Why is it the people in charge think it's still the 1940's? Worst yet is the fact that other countries do just about nothing to help. I really feel for the father. I hope he fights for everything he can and wins. Is Japan really that disparate to increase the population that it would allow the abduction of children?

Marry your own kind. I don't feel for the father. He sounds like a sad little broken heart was was taken advantage of by a selfish Japanese lady.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Yeah, I realize the problems with that system in Japan but if someone is convicted of a crime in a country that has an extradition treaty with Japan, it shouldn't matter what the domestic view is on the crime, they were convicted in the other country.

Remember that extradition treaties don't necessarily cover all crimes in the same fashion. For example, there are some countries that won't extradite a person if they could face capital punishment for the crime committed in their home country.

[Pearse]

Who says these mothers have been convicted of a crime in the USA?

Are there arrest warrants in FG countires on mothers who have abducted their children from fathers who have custody? I think there were some. I wonder if these would be kidnapping charges, though.

[Iraira]

Marry your own kind. I don't feel for the father. He sounds like a sad little broken heart was was taken advantage of by a selfish Japanese lady.

My own kind is human.

[Greji]

Marry your own kind.

This, coming from a so-called Japanese Mama's boy?

Also, what do you mean by marry your own kind? You're a dude, so I take that to mean you want to marry a dude. There are a large number of gays and switch hitters among the Uioku movement (ala Mishima,) so I guess that would probably explain your attraction to them.
Just speculating of course...

[Samurai_Jerk]

what do you mean by ... your own kind?

[Cyka UchuuJin]

holy fuck did i seriously LOL at that.

[Mulboyne]

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The Sankei says (Japanese) that this series of reports is, like the Toyota recall media-fest, another example of "Japan Bashing"

[Iraira]

The Sankei says (Japanese) that this series of reports is, like the Toyota recall media-fest, another example of "Japan Bashing"

Never understood the concept of "(insert country) bashing". Like people/countries don't complain and spin their news for their own good? Seems so easy that a complaint, even a rage against one countries practices (for lack of a better word this morning) can be so easily tossed in the "bashing" category, which negates having to actually respond to it.
"That's bashing....do we have anything on the agenda for today? OH, that's bashing, too (haterz)! Meeting adjourned."

[matsuki]

Are there arrest warrants in FG countires on mothers who have abducted their children from fathers who have custody? I think there were some. I wonder if these would be kidnapping charges, though.

This is what I was referring to but yeah, I guess if Japan selectively enforces the extradition treaty, the only real advantage to having a warrant on ex wife's head is to use your head to bring your children back to you home country. (not try to bum rush them to the nearest embassy) I'd probably have the kid(s) passports in hand and avoid a direct flight out of Japan....maybe charter a boat to Taiwan/Korea/etc. then fly them back to the U.S. from there.

Never understood the concept of "(insert country) bashing". Like people/countries don't complain and spin their news for their own good? Seems so easy that a complaint, even a rage against one countries practices (for lack of a better word this morning) can be so easily tossed in the "bashing" category, which negates having to actually respond to it.
"That's bashing....do we have anything on the agenda for today? OH, that's bashing, too (haterz)! Meeting adjourned."

THIS, any way to deflect rather than address the actual issues...

[Mulboyne]

Here's the ABC report on the web, with much the same content as the videos.

Interesting that they are drawing attention to Japanese embassy policies as a potential domestic security risk.

Though the mother initially declined to tell ABC News how she got the passport for her son – saying she would release the information when he was an adult – she eventually admitted to using the fake name. Documents obtained by ABC News show she requested Wayne's passport using the first name Issa, a name that Sawyer says has never been associated with the boy. She used her maiden name as his last name.

The Japanese Consulate in San Francisco told ABC News that they only issue passports to minors with the consent of both parents. "When we issue passports to Japanese minors, we will explain to applicants that a passport will be issued when an application is submitted with consent of both parents, and that is against the United States law for a parent to take a child out of the country without consent of the other parent who has the custody of the child. We thus take strict measures in checking on the consent of both parents on the application before issuing passports."

Still Wayne's mother was able to get one for him.

This could be more than a diplomatic issue. ABC News showed Jacobs, the assistant secretary of state, a video of Sawyer's wife admitting to lying and using a fake name to get passports for herself and her son. Asked if lying to get a passport could present a national security threat, Jacobs nodded and replied, "That could be." "It certainly doesn't make me happy," she said.

[McTojo]

This, coming from a so-called Japanese Mama's boy?

Also, what do you mean by marry your own kind? You're a dude, so I take that to mean you want to marry a dude. There are a large number of gays and switch hitters among the Uioku movement (ala Mishima,) so I guess that would probably explain your attraction to them.
Just speculating of course...

What I mean is that Japanese should marry Japanese in order to avoid these problems.

I see a pattern. I just don't see why they divorce so quickly after a baby is thrown into the mix.

[wuchan]

What I mean is that Japanese should marry Japanese in order to avoid these problems.

if this is your logic, what are you going to marry? a stump?

[Pearse]

Just had a quick look, but I saw three names that look Japanese. Here's one of the cases:

Chiharu Wakao is wanted for allegedly abducting her then five-year-old daughter, Marina Tiffany Kaneda...
Marina's father, who has been awarded full custody of his daughter, last saw Marina on Wednesday, May 19, 2004, when he dropped her off at her preschool in Honolulu, Hawaii...
On November 4, 2004, Wakao was indicted in Hawaii for custodial interference in the first degree and a grand jury bench warrant was issued. A federal arrest warrant was issued for Wakao on May 12, 2005, charging her with international parental kidnapping.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/parent

[Mike Oxlong]

Perhaps a new market for international bounty hunters. Especially if they were ex-US military. Get the perp, get on base, catch a flight Stateside. The Japanese have a workaround to international law and treaties? Work around the workaround...

[Yokohammer]

Perhaps a new market for international bounty hunters. Especially if they were ex-US military. Get the perp, get on base, catch a flight Stateside. The Japanese have a workaround to international law and treaties? Work around the workaround...

Despite the fact that this wouldn't work politically if it was handled via US bases, I really like the basic idea.

But I'm afraid using the bases is out. The bounty hunters would have to stuff the perp in a suitcase or something and get out via a commercial channel, or maybe take a cue from a certain country that's just north of South Korea and flee by boat from a secluded spot on the coast somewhere. Either way, it's not something that would be openly condoned by the international community. The spirit's right though.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Perhaps a new market for international bounty hunters. Especially if they were ex-US military. Get the perp, get on base, catch a flight Stateside. The Japanese have a workaround to international law and treaties? Work around the workaround...

I also think that once they've ensured the safety of the children they should send somebody back to execute the mothers and any family members who helped them.

[matsuki]

Perhaps a new market for international bounty hunters. Especially if they were ex-US military. Get the perp, get on base, catch a flight Stateside. The Japanese have a workaround to international law and treaties? Work around the workaround...

Or just snatch the kid back and get out of the country.

I also think that once they've ensured the safety of the children they should send somebody back to execute the mothers and any family members who helped them.

Execution? Nah, find where they live an bomb the place with flyers of the warrants out for their arrest with Japanese translation. You know how Japanese love negative attention in their community. They'll probably end up as smears on the front of trains anyways.

[wuchan]

Or just snatch the kid back and get out of the country.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33086856/ns/today-parenting/

not the best plan.

[AML]

could these people really believe that fathers wouldn't want to see their kids after divorcing the wives?

are all j fathers really deadbeats that never contact their kids if they divorce?

The whole country?

And how could they arrest him for kidnapping when the mother did the exact same thing?

[(1VB)freels]

And how could they arrest him for kidnapping when the mother did the exact same thing?

In Japanese Law, possession is 9/10th's of the Law. If the mother "OWNS" the child, then she can say that it was kidnapping, no matter what the father/mother's home country says. Its all kinda fucked up. I am just hoping that my wife doesn't do this to me..... It may happen and you may see me on the news starting fires and killing folks if it does.....

[AML]

In Japanese Law, possession is 9/10th's of the Law. If the mother "OWNS" the child, then she can say that it was kidnapping, no matter what the father/mother's home country says. Its all kinda fucked up. I am just hoping that my wife doesn't do this to me..... It may happen and you may see me on the news starting fires and killing folks if it does.....

But if he had the kids at the time, doesnt that equal possession?

Anyway, i would hire a hit man to kill the wife. That way the kids would have to live with me.

[TennoChinko]

Whether there is actual basis in fact or not, I don't know for certain - however, one Japanese MoFA official I spoke with last year indicated that one reason for their hesitancy to allow for extradition was that historically when a large percentage of these cases involved marriages between Japanese women and US servicemen (or former servicemen), the former would often be disadvantaged via economics, lack of knowledge on how to navigate the US legal and family court system and/or less able to assert their legal rights in the US. Some would be victims of domestic violence compounding the problem. He indicated that being able to return to Japan, provided some form of protection.

The other thing is that Japanese family courts believe in granting custody to single parent - it affects Japanese spouses as well as foreign ones. While the US generally grants joint custody of the children - and many people emotionally see that as the humane standard - it's not necessarily the case elsewhere .. specifically Japan.

[Mulboyne]

Anyway, i would hire a hit man to kill the wife. That way the kids would have to live with me.

Not necessarily. One of the best known cases is where the wife died but her parents assumed custody of the child and have refused any contact from the father. The ABC report covers that one.

[matsuki]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33086856/ns/today-parenting/

not the best plan.

Running to the consulate is obviously not the correct solution. You must have missed my rant about having a boat to Korea or some other alternative route out of the country prepared. If Christopher Savoie had planned things out differently, the story would be alot different. (and probably be all over the J-news with some darkened up evil looking images of him and obaachans being interviewed about how the barbarian dragged the children away...conveniently not mentioning the father was awarded joint custody and mother kidnapped the children to Japan in the first place or that she's a wanted criminal in the states)

Not necessarily. One of the best known cases is where the wife died but her parents assumed custody of the child and have refused any contact from the father. The ABC report covers that one.

He'd have to have her killed and take the kids back. Sad to say but that's what it will come to for some people and maybe what it will take for Japan to realize they can't play by Japanese rules outside Japan.

The foreign courts should recognize the issue at hand and only allow supervised visits with children (or mandatory GPS implants) when one of the divorced parents is Japanese or Russian. Will piss alot of people off and force Japan and Russia to handle the issue on their end.

...or we could keep comparing Japan's stance here to China "Chugoku mitai" an point out the rest of the civilized world has signed the Hague Convention. You know how Japanese love to be compared to China/Chinese and the one left out.

[nysprtslvr]

In Niigata, Japan there is a young Mexican American man in prison. He is accused of kidnapping his daughter and he has been in jail since November. He is now in prison awaiting trial. Yesterday he had an arraignment in Niigata court.

He has been kept separated from the other prisoners and is not allowed to speak English to anyone. On Monday during the arraignment he spoke for the first time in 6 months. His speech was awkward and inconsistent. He has lost about 30lbs since being behind bars. He has not been allowed visitors unless an interpreter is present to monitor the conversation. We have only received a couple letters from him back here in the States and those arrived a couple weeks ago, dated November. Luckily we have been receiving updates from Japanese friends of his who are following the case.

His supposed attorney does not speak English and has not even discussed the case with him. The lawyer is a court appointed attorney and at the arraignment he hadn't prepared anything to defend his client. Even the judge was shocked and ordered the attorney into the judges chambers after the session. Our loved one is in solitary confinement wasting away without representation and without contact to the outside world.

The prosecution tore him apart with accusations of abuse and being a deadbeat who lived off the back of his wife and her family. This is not true. His "lawyer" said nothing. Right now he has been unable to express even a word about his side of the story. No translator, no lawyer, no visitors, not allowed to speak.

Please, if someone could find and post some links to newspaper articles and translate them for this forum, that would help him. The articles cast him as a horrible person, but, at least, at this point, he is still getting some attention. Even if it is negative.

The scariest part of all this is he has been unrepresented by an attorney and unable to express his side of the story. If his story gets out to the world, the world will be shocked at what he has endured and how the case has proceeded. We are trying our best to bring attention to this crisis so please pass this story along.

[Taro Toporific]

And his name is?

In Niigata, Japan there is a young Mexican American man in prison. He is accused of kidnapping his daughter and he has been in jail since November. He is now in prison awaiting trial. Yesterday he had an arraignment in Niigata court. ...

Please, if someone could find and post some links to newspaper articles and translate them for this forum, that would help him. The articles cast him as a horrible person, but, at least, at this point, he is still getting some attention. Even if it is negative.

[BigInJapan]

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