Child Abduction Issue Explodes

[BULL]

I agree. It's the only way that Japan will learn to be more like China. You know, a respected member of the international community that champions human rights, has a free and open press, cares about the environment, avoids disputes with its neighbors, and treats its citizens with respect and dignitiy.

Don't forget other greats like Burma and Iran.

[Mulboyne]

That seems like a pretty high figure for fgs. You got a source for that?

No, he won't have. He's pulled the number out of his arse. This is a serious and often distressing issue, and that kind of hyperbole does nothing to serve the cause of finding some means of resolution.

[Thug4Life]

It is not just FGs who have this problem, it's even more of a problem for Japanese men. I have met some Jguys here that have been burned the same exact way and they don't want anything to do with Japanese women, Japanese courts and Japan overall. They've also told me that there are so very many Jguys just like them in Japan too. They say that the number could be anywhere from tens of thousand to hundreds of thousands. And almost all of the China Jguys are now happily married to Chinese women with half kids. Yes China mainland has not signed the Hague treaty yet but the women they are married to want nothing at all to do with Chinese men so it works out well for them here in Chinarica!

[Greji]

It is not just FGs who have this problem, it's even more of a problem for Japanese men. I have met some Jguys here that have been burned the same exact way and they don't want anything to do with Japanese women, Japanese courts and Japan overall. They've also told me that there are so very many Jguys just like them in Japan too. They say that the number could be anywhere from tens of thousand to hundreds of thousands. And almost all of the China Jguys are now happily married to Chinese women with half kids. Yes China mainland has not signed the Hague treaty yet but the women they are married to want nothing at all to do with Chinese men so it works out well for them here in Chinarica!

That's not what you posted and maybe there are tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Jmen who can't get their schwantz up with a Jwoman, but your discussion and those figures have nothing to do with the abuction of children of fgs in a J-mixed marriage, or in other words, the title of this thread...

[Thug4Life]

That's not what you posted and maybe there are tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Jmen who can't get their schwantz up with a Jwoman, but your discussion and those figures have nothing to do with the abuction of children of fgs in a J-mixed marriage, or in other words, the title of this thread...

"abuction" = ???

My post is relevant as it added more information to this thread and probably cleared up the previous confusion on the total number of men who have had this happen to them. Go and find your glasses, get some warm milk, take your time and read it all very carefully again. Thank you.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Don't forget other greats like Burma and Iran.

Untied States?

[gaijinpunch]

It is not just FGs who have this problem, it's even more of a problem for Japanese men. I have met some Jguys here that have been burned the same exact way and they don't want anything to do with Japanese women, Japanese courts and Japan overall.

Would be interesting to see young Japanese men stand up and say they're not going to procreate until the laws get changed. How many would need to get involved before the demographic crises comes to the table and the old men's club actually does something?

[hanasims]

Would be interesting to see young Japanese men stand up and say they're not going to procreate until the laws get changed.

They are already saying it, just not out loud.

The birthrate is the lowest it has ever been and the number of people getting married is decreasing rapidly as well.

[matsuki]

They are already saying it, just not out loud.

The birthrate is the lowest it has ever been and the number of people getting married is decreasing rapidly as well.

Interesting since according to many o lemur, their friends claim that J-guys never use condoms (so yeah, they must not be getting laid either)

[Catoneinutica]

Interesting since according to many o lemur, their friends claim that J-guys never use condoms (so yeah, they must not be getting laid either)

If the fellas aren't using condoms, it's because the lemurs are letting them. It's the lemurs who are the, uh, gatekeepers, after all. If I were single and lemur-ing up, I think I'd disqualify any lemurs who were willing to admit me without a condom. Unless I was absolutely sure they were just a down-home girl who's sexuality was being awakened by me for the first time, I'd wonder who else had been in there without a condom, and whether they had the muhfuckin' HPV.

[Samurai_Jerk]

If the fellas aren't using condoms, it's because the lemurs are letting them. It's the lemurs who are the, uh, gatekeepers, after all. If I were single and lemur-ing up, I think I'd disqualify any lemurs who were willing to admit me without a condom. Unless I was absolutely sure they were just a down-home girl who's sexuality was being awakened by me for the first time, I'd wonder who else had been in there without a condom, and whether they had the muhfuckin' HPV.

In my experience overall Japanese (and Korean) women don't seem to care one bit about condom use.

[matsuki]

If the fellas aren't using condoms, it's because the lemurs are letting them. It's the lemurs who are the, uh, gatekeepers, after all. If I were single and lemur-ing up, I think I'd disqualify any lemurs who were willing to admit me without a condom.

True but SJ also speaks the truth below...

Unless I was absolutely sure they were just a down-home girl who's sexuality was being awakened by me for the first time, I'd wonder who else had been in there without a condom, and whether they had the muhfuckin' HPV.

HPV? Get vaccinated? According to everything I've ever read about HPV, pretty much everyone has that shit. (and condoms won't necessarily prevent you from getting it)

In my experience overall Japanese (and Korean) women don't seem to care one bit about condom use.

Unfortunately THIS....which is why I encourage the lemurs worth keeping around to go get tested.

[Coligny]

In my experience overall Japanese (and Korean) women don't seem to care one bit about condom use.

Yup... and that sh1t is good for the business...

[matsuki]

[Mulboyne]

There's an interesting discussion taking place in Britain following the release of a review of the family justice system by David Norgrove. (225 page PDF)

One of the problems the review was designed to address is the way that many issues surrounding divorce end up in courts rather than mediation which is felt to be too adversarial and detrimental for children involved.

One of the controversial points picked up by many news reports of the review is that Norgrove rules out giving equal parental access to a child, saying the main focus should be the welfare of the children and the not the rights of the parents. It also appears tosubordinate the rights of grandparents and says "We should not be putting all the emphasis on the rights of the adults. The question is wrong: it should be what is in the best interests of the child, not what is right for the adults."

There's far more detail and nuance to the recommendations made in the review than some of the more explosive headlines suggest. Norgrove makes the point in this interview (not sure if it can be viewed worldwide) that his review endorses the importance of both parents being involved with the upbringing of the child. He doesn't, however, want to enshrine equal access rights in law because he says those disputes which go to courts to make use of such rights end up dragging on, and damaging the lives of the children even more.

I do wonder, though, whether this kind of discussion might feed into the debate taking place in Japan over family law and the possible application of Hague.

[matsuki]

Please excuse the multiple posts, my ISP is screwed at the moment.

[Coligny]

Please excuse the multiple posts, my ISP is screwed at the moment.

You too ?!

Since 2 weeks here it's a total nightmare on my DSL line, I had to shutdown the network monitoring server, could not sleep at night anymore, alarm disconection/reconnection every 10 minutes plus the internal DNS going tits up even for internal resolution (I'm not that good with bind... and bind don't handle really cleanly the loss of access to the root servers)...

asahi net say they can't do anything, NTT want me to pay to check the line they are renting me (WTF !?).

Giving up on the ridiculous 6mb DSL, upgrade to 200mb fiber in late november... Strangely enough NTT did nearly everything to make me switch my provider, even saying they could not do the installation if I was not cancelling asahi and switching to another one because I was not namd on the contract... When I told them to go to hell they backed and gave me an installation date... sumthing's going on i'll tell ya...

[hanasims]

This site explains the possible number of American children being denied access to their American parent.

http://japanabductionrui.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/child-abduction-and-denial-of-access-are-masked-as-custody-determination-in-japan/

[Mulboyne]

This site explains the possible number of American children being denied access to their American parent.

http://japanabductionrui.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/child-abduction-and-denial-of-access-are-masked-as-custody-determination-in-japan/

So your original claim that that "there are tens of thousands of International children in Japan being denied access to their foreign parent." is total bullshit.

[hanasims]

Since the Japanese government doesn't have any figures on this atrocity against children, the best we can do is estimate.

The figure that is explained in the link is 4,000 American children. I expect the number of International children all together is much, much higher. It is also estimated that if you include Japanese children the number may be well over two million.

[matsuki]

There's an interesting discussion taking place in Britain following the release of a review of the family justice system by David Norgrove. (225 page PDF)

One of the problems the review was designed to address is the way that many issues surrounding divorce end up in courts rather than mediation which is felt to be too adversarial and detrimental for children involved.

One of the controversial points picked up by many news reports of the review is that Norgrove rules out giving equal parental access to a child, saying the main focus should be the welfare of the children and the not the rights of the parents. It also appears tosubordinate the rights of grandparents and says "We should not be putting all the emphasis on the rights of the adults. The question is wrong: it should be what is in the best interests of the child, not what is right for the adults."

There's far more detail and nuance to the recommendations made in the review than some of the more explosive headlines suggest. Norgrove makes the point in this interview (not sure if it can be viewed worldwide) that his review endorses the importance of both parents being involved with the upbringing of the child. He doesn't, however, want to enshrine equal access rights in law because he says those disputes which go to courts to make use of such rights end up dragging on, and damaging the lives of the children even more.

I do wonder, though, whether this kind of discussion might feed into the debate taking place in Japan over family law and the possible application of Hague.

My original post was deleted with the duplicates it seems but I mentioned that this guys isn't too off base but one needs to look at it from the other direction...give the child access to both parents, not both parents access to the child. (when both parents are fit to raise the child) if the kids wants to see either parent it's being withheld from, he/she should be able to. In cases where one parent demonizes the other (totally inappropriate to bias the child that way) that parent would have to submit to supervised visitation only. (and if it continued, be removed from the child's life)

[hanasims]

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20111110b2.html

Six nations press Japan on Hague treaty, November 10th 2011.

[matsuki]

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20111110b2.html

Six nations press Japan on Hague treaty, November 10th 2011.

Hell yeah, callin' them out on trying to corn mayonnaise their Hague pizza! Pepperoni and olives bitches!

Unfortunately, once this goes into effect, I foresee several cherry picked "abusive FG father" cases making the news and a few other of unfortunate FG fathers getting portrayed as abused in the J-media. (all the while the, what was it? 95%? majority of Japanese/FG mariages - J-father/FG mother cases and batshit crazy J-mama/FG father cases get completely ignored)

[IparryU]

after this is done... kiddie porn ban will take place a decade down the road...

no more sankaku for you... pussie master... not pointing meh finger or nothing... just stating ze subject...

(no flame... no flame...)

[gaijinpunch]

I'm curious to see how the retroactive aspect will play out. From what I read, all the cases up until now will be null & void. Also curious to see if there are any changes to Japan's retarded laws on basically the required parental abandonment of the losing parent (the man).

[matsuki]

I'm curious to see how the retroactive aspect will play out. From what I read, all the cases up until now will be null & void. Also curious to see if there are any changes to Japan's retarded laws on basically the required parental abandonment of the losing parent (the man).

Indeed...how will it affect bitches that kidnapped their children back to Japan and are already wanted felons in other countries. The whole Jappy idea of "children will not have to be returned when the parent has fled an abusive spouse or could face criminal prosecution, presumably in connection with the abduction of offspring, in his or her country of habitual residence" just seems like their way of signing and then avoiding enforcement.

[Coligny]

Indeed...how will it affect bitches that kidnapped their children back to Japan and are already wanted felons in other countries. The whole Jappy idea of "children will not have to be returned when the parent has fled an abusive spouse or could face criminal prosecution, presumably in connection with the abduction of offspring, in his or her country of habitual residence" just seems like their way of signing and then avoiding enforcement.

Welcome to a world of pain guys...

Child abduction issue laws should be retroactive...

Censorship/moral laws should not be...

All the law should be held to the same standards...

---You now might understand why I'm turning more and more anarchist by the minute... Let's go blow some shit up guys...

[matsuki]

Welcome to a world of pain guys...

Child abduction issue laws should be retroactive...

Censorship/moral laws should not be...

All the law should be held to the same standards...

Yep, wonder if there will be a mad rush of child kidnappings back to Japan now....

[Greji]

Yep, wonder if there will be a mad rush of child kidnappings back to Japan now....

Let me know if you hear that's happening. I got a bunch of them that they can take.....

[matsuki]

Let me know if you hear that's happening. I got a bunch of them that they can take.....

Fortunately for you Greji, herd animals can still legally move across borders if they have the proper paperwork