TPP

[Russell]

Censored JAV might as well be watching reruns of All My Children...

I watch them for the story man...

(just did a rerun of 'if Yua Aida was yours' where she is hunted in a park by men wearing bunny suits and kidnapping her to do evil things... there is not a single second of these scenes where she's not uncontrolably laughing while trying to cover her face to appear scared... A remake of Alien with her in the role of Ripley would be totally awesome...)

Right, a little pixellation here and there would then leave you totally unaffected, huh?

[Kanchou]

Pretty much anything that doesn't have the word "hon" before it is fake. Honwasabi, honmaguro... etc.

It is still pretty insane that rice farmers receive massive subsidies and a 700 PERCENT tariff and still can't build an industry that can produce rice for less than $1.5 a pound... which is three times what it costs in the U.S.

[wuchan]

Pretty much anything that doesn't have the word "hon" before it is fake. Honwasabi, honmaguro... etc.

It is still pretty insane that rice farmers receive massive subsidies and a 700 PERCENT tariff and still can't build an industry that can produce rice for less than $1.5 a pound... which is three times what it costs in the U.S.

how clueless you are....

I produce 30+ metric ton a year of GM "hikarigomi" and get undercut by 70% just for the privilege of JA sponsorship. The benefit for me is a guaranteed yearly paycheck. Yes I know that the crop I produce is scientific crap. Do I eat it? No. I dedicate 20% of my land to proper, organic, expensive, hybrid sushi rice.


The rice I grow for myself sells for $50 a pound in the US. And yes, I export.

There is more than one type of "japanese" rice.



Before you spew your ecprement opinion all over, please do your self a favor and research the topic in more than one language.

[Russell]

Pretty much anything that doesn't have the word "hon" before it is fake. Honwasabi, honmaguro... etc.

It is still pretty insane that rice farmers receive massive subsidies and a 700 PERCENT tariff and still can't build an industry that can produce rice for less than $1.5 a pound... which is three times what it costs in the U.S.

how clueless you are....

I produce 30+ metric ton a year of GM "hikarigomi" and get undercut by 70% just for the privilege of JA sponsorship. The benefit for me is a guaranteed yearly paycheck. Yes I know that the crop I produce is scientific crap. Do I eat it? No. I dedicate 20% of my land to proper, organic, expensive, hybrid sushi rice.


The rice I grow for myself sells for $50 a pound in the US. And yes, I export.

There is more than one type of "japanese" rice.



Before you spew your ecprement opinion all over, please do your self a favor and research the topic in more than one language.

OK, wuchan, you got my attention, though I do not understand most of what you write.

Could you tell more details please, like the kind of rice you grow for yourself?

[Coligny]

Do you grow bacon and pizzaz too ? I can't find seeds anywhere for those...

[yanpa]

Available in supermarkets as "bacon bits". Pizzas are the flowers of the bacon plant, dummy.

[Kanchou]

Pretty much anything that doesn't have the word "hon" before it is fake. Honwasabi, honmaguro... etc.

It is still pretty insane that rice farmers receive massive subsidies and a 700 PERCENT tariff and still can't build an industry that can produce rice for less than $1.5 a pound... which is three times what it costs in the U.S.

how clueless you are....

I produce 30+ metric ton a year of GM "hikarigomi" and get undercut by 70% just for the privilege of JA sponsorship. The benefit for me is a guaranteed yearly paycheck. Yes I know that the crop I produce is scientific crap. Do I eat it? No. I dedicate 20% of my land to proper, organic, expensive, hybrid sushi rice.


The rice I grow for myself sells for $50 a pound in the US. And yes, I export.

There is more than one type of "japanese" rice.



Before you spew your ecprement opinion all over, please do your self a favor and research the topic in more than one language.

Sorry, I have no idea what you're trying to say. If you can export rice for $50 a pound then rice farms have ZERO reason to complain about TPP. Yet they do, because it endangers their guaranteed paycheck.

[Samurai_Jerk]

All I know is that farmers everywhere in the first-world are a bunch of entitled assholes.

[Yokohammer]

I think we've danced around this one before, but the problem in Japan is not the farmers themselves. Most farmers work very hard to barely scrape by, while most of the money generated by farming gets sucked up by a behemoth, extortionate bureaucracy known as JA. On the surface it appears that the JA "represents" Japan's farmers, but the reality is a little different. It's a bit like the whaling issue, which is more about keeping a huge network of semi-government organizations on life support than whales or eating them. The JA is a typical bloated Japanese bureaucracy that needs to feed itself with an inordinately large portion of the money generated by Japan's farming to support its legions of superfluous paper pushers and window gazers. The system is set up so that famers basically have a choice of either playing along or being excluded from the market.

It's easy to blame the farmers (and I'm not saying that the farmers are totally blameless), but like most things in Japan there's more to it than meets the eye.

[legion]

plus one

[Kanchou]

I think we've danced around this one before, but the problem in Japan is not the farmers themselves. Most farmers work very hard to barely scrape by, while most of the money generated by farming gets sucked up by a behemoth, extortionate bureaucracy known as JA. On the surface it appears that the JA "represents" Japan's farmers, but the reality is a little different. It's a bit like the whaling issue, which is more about keeping a huge network of semi-government organizations on life support than whales or eating them. The JA is a typical bloated Japanese bureaucracy that needs to feed itself with an inordinately large portion of the money generated by Japan's farming to support its legions of superfluous paper pushers and window gazers. The system is set up so that famers basically have a choice of either playing along or being excluded from the market.

It's easy to blame the farmers (and I'm not saying that the farmers are totally blameless), but like most things in Japan there's more to it than meets the eye.

Clearly needs to be reformed. More money needs to be in the hands of farmers, but more people need to be making things besides rice. Rice is literally the only product that Japan is actually self-sufficient with, and part of the reason is because rice takes almost zero effort compared to other crops (plan seeds, leave alone for a few months, make money). But there are apparently a bunch of laws that keep people from being able to buy and sell farm land. While rice costs about twice of what it should, fruits and vegetables cost about four times what they should. I mean, 250 yen for a single head of lettuce? The fuck?

[Coligny]

All I know is that farmers everywhere in the first-world are a bunch of entitled assholes.

Haz you checked the suicide rate for French farmers ?

It's like if they were given cyanide capsule for free with the purchase of any farming equipment...

[Samurai_Jerk]

All I know is that farmers everywhere in the first-world are a bunch of entitled assholes.

Haz you checked the suicide rate for French farmers ?

It's like if they were given cyanide capsule for free with the purchase of any farming equipment...

That's the only good news I've ever heard about French farmers.

[Mike Oxlong]

A day in the life of a rice farmer

[Russell]

A day in the life of a rice farmer

The documentary shows a typical day in the life of a rice farmer and the laborious process of rice farming.

You can see how well-connected the whole system is and the number of parties involved in farming rice.

The way in which the farmer gently treats his animals illustrates the importance of every single life and how it is part of a greater system.

A system that involves the tax payers...

Why do they call that "self-sustaining" in this article?

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I think Soylent Green is a far healthier option than most food produced in the first world...The only good thing about farmers is B&S Balls and I'm too fucken old for them now...

[wuchan]

The GM we grow is known as koshihihari. It was originally developed in the 50's and is dam fucking easy to grow. Assault it with chemicals and you get a good harvest every time. The problem is if you don't use chemicals it gets fungus infections very easily making it near impossible to grow it organic. The JA has been offering a new strain that is more resistant to the fungus but the people I know that tried it got lower yields.

This year we got asanohikari for us. It's based of the original kame strain that was grown before the war. It produces less but the locals say it tastes better and it is much easier to do it organic. The last few years we had old school kame that the local farmers have been reseeding since the edo period but the wife wanted to try something different.

[legion]

by organic do you mean using poo for fertilizer?

[Coligny]

by organic do you mean using poo for fertilizer?

I suddenly have an idea for a new educamationnal pr0n serie...

[Kanchou]

And here I thought koshihikari was basically the end-all, be-all of japonica varieties (at least for varities that aren't regional brands).

[matsuki]

Wuchan - what's your take on the California grown koshihikari?

From what i've seen...organic, at least in most countries, means no modern pesticides...so many farms revert to older, more dangerous pesticides that can be used without losing their "Organic" status

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[Russell]

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What is an SH-02E and a Tapatalk 2?

Since you repeat it every post, it must be better than sex...

[wuchan]

Wuchan - what's your take on the California grown koshihikari?

From what i've seen...organic, at least in most countries, means no modern pesticides...so many farms revert to older, more dangerous pesticides that can be used without losing their "Organic" status

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In the states "organic" is much more strict and requires years of investigation. From what I have herd from the japanese crowd stateside the cali farmers are using the 2005 BL strain which is genetically modified to resist fungus. "Organic" in the US refers to growing method not seed origin.

In the US you can buy "organic" liberty corn but you can't eat it without processing. Don't buy into whole foods marketing.

[matsuki]

Russell- my keitai model and the app i'm using on it to view and post.

Wuchan- but...isn't all rice and corn genetically modified? More to the point, do you notice any difference in taste? I sure didn't EXCEPT with some Nigata grown white heaven that actually seemed worth the cost...but even the farmer there warned that they only have to use a certain percent of the actual good stuff in it to call it shinmai.

...and yeah, fuck that marketing

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[Russell]

Russell- my keitai model and the app i'm using on it to view and post.

Thanks choko for clearing that up!

Sent from my TN266E using Firefox...

[wuchan]

Russell- my keitai model and the app i'm using on it to view and post.

Wuchan- but...isn't all rice and corn genetically modified? More to the point, do you notice any difference in taste? I sure didn't EXCEPT with some Nigata grown white heaven that actually seemed worth the cost...but even the farmer there warned that they only have to use a certain percent of the actual good stuff in it to call it shinmai.

...and yeah, fuck that marketing

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there is a huge difference between GM and cross breeding.

Yes, according to science they are the same BUT in modern science today GM human is illegal. If we can't change our DNA in a lab why should we be able to change our food? Unintended abnormalities. Liberty corn is probably the best example. We can't eat it, animals can't eat it... in it's natural form. After a bit of science we have corn syrup and cattle feed (they need antibiotics to survive for six months eating that crap). Even after all the data against liberty corn the US government still spends billions on it to keep up the illusion of a "cheap food" policy.

I don't trust the japanese government scientists. Shit, I only eat my organic old seed rice once a week. After the big quake I started sending samples back to the states for testing, the odd part is all the radioactive tests pass, however, every sample of fertilizer, soil booster, PH regulator that I sent back for testing failed US standards.


EDIT: dude, you need to fix the settings on your phone, no one cares which phone you have.

[yanpa]

EDIT: dude, you need to fix the settings on your phone, no one cares which phone you have.

I dunno, maybe there's some lemur in stalker mode who would be glad for the info

SENT FROM MY PDP-11 WITH TELNET

[Coligny]

EDIT: dude, you need to fix the settings on your phone, no one cares which phone you have.

I dunno, maybe there's some lemur in stalker mode who would be glad for the info

SENT FROM MY PDP-11 WITH TELNET

I think you meant "with VT52"...

[matsuki]

Haha, so the overall lesson is grain isn't as good for you as the guberments keep saying....

word, I'll try to see if I can change the Tapatalk default PR insert setting.

[Russell]

US farm groups seek to exclude Japan from Pacific trade talks

US farm groups said on Wednesday Japan should be suspended from Pacific trade talks if the Asian nation insists on keeping tariffs on sensitive agricultural sectors.

Japanese Economics Minister Akira Amari told Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trading partners at talks in Singapore last week that Japan will not agree to abolish all tariffs on wheat, rice, dairy, sugar, beef and pork.

US and Japanese negotiators will hold two more days of meetings in Washington on farm exports from Thursday and groups representing dairy, wheat, rice and pork farmers said they could still reach a deal.

"Failing that, the alternative is suspending negotiations with Japan for now and concluding a truly comprehensive agreement with those TPP partners that are willing to meet the originally contemplated level of ambition," the National Association of Wheat Growers, US Wheat Associates, USA Rice Federation, the National Pork Producers Council and the International Dairy Foods Association said in a statement.

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