Environmentalists pursue Japan's whalers

[Salty]

It is a good thing that there isn`t an international moratorium on cannibalism - lest the Japanese government insist that it is a cultural tradition that must be massively funded from tax revenues so that the tradition can continue and of course bring in more votes.

[kurogane]

Sounds to me like you just described the current state of the Japanese social security system..............

[dimwit]

It is a good thing that there isn`t an international moratorium on cannibalism - lest the Japanese government insist that it is a cultural tradition that must be massively funded from tax revenues so that the tradition can continue and of course bring in more votes.

Fuck the buying votes, it's all about putting retired Health Ministry Bureaucratics on the 'Cannibalism for Scientific Research Board' and the 'Cannibalism for Commercial Purposes Board' and of course 'There was Absolutely No Cannibalism in the Japanese Imperial Army Board' which would be headed by Yoshiko Sakurai.

[Takechanpoo]

hey that kimche dude, clean your home garden first before complaining others one with a plausible look.
do you fuking understand?

[Russell]

hey that kimche dude, clean your home garden first before complaining others one with a plausible look.
do you fuking understand?

Had a bad day, Takechan?!?

[Salty]

hey that kimche dude, clean your home garden first before complaining others one with a plausible look.
do you fuking understand?

For most of us, this is our home garden.... needs a good weeding, IMO.

[Mike Oxlong]

Welcome to SeaWorld! Fuck you whale!!

[Samurai_Jerk]

Japan arrests 'Flipper' trainer as dolphin hunt starts

Japanese police said Tuesday they had arrested US animal rights activist Ric O'Barry, who trained dolphins for the TV show "Flipper", near the town of Taiji as it kicked off its controversial dolphin hunt.

Bad weather pushed back the first dolphin-killing of the six-month season which opens on September 1 every year, a local fisheries association official said.

O'Barry, 75, was arrested Monday for allegedly failing to carry his passport after being stopped by police.

"We had a report that he was drinking alcohol and driving, so officers were dispatched to find him and check his breath," a local police spokesman told AFP.

"He smelled like alcohol, but the reading on the (breathalyzer) was not high."

Police took him into custody for not having a passport in his possession, the spokesman said.

If he really was driving after a couple of drinks and not carrying his passport, he's a fucking moron. You already know they're gunning for you so it's best to make sure you don't give them an excuse to detain you.

[kurogane]

Well, I think his moron status was already pretty well established, but this is comical. Whadda maroon.

BTW, I will bet you a Kujira Kushi dinner that the 2 Drinks thing was an outright ruse. Somebody recognised him and called the cops, or they did a bit of proactive traffic work knowing it was him. I think the latter would be wrong, but it's good when bad things happen to bad people. Whata fuckin' retard.

[wagyl]

By the time this was posted, he had already been let go: the story is that he had his passport in the car all along.
https://dolphinproject.net/blog/post/br ... ut-charge/

[matsuki]

Somebody recognized him and called the cops

THIS...if he had any booze in him, he'd have been arrested for it.

Is it SOP to take someone into custody if they left their passport at their hotel or whatever? I got no sympathy for this guy but I know people who have been stopped without their card and the cops went with them to their residence to produce it...

[edit] It was in his car? WTF?

[kurogane]

Yes, probably just a pissed off local that recognised The Great Meddler and thought HeHeHe and phoned it in........before he drove himself home drunk. Pretty good mischief, actually. A nice way to say Welcome Back, Sea Shitbirds.

Is it SOP to take someone into custody if they left their passport at their hotel or whatever?

Can be, especially if it's a known lying sack of shit miscreant too stupid to know where his own f'in passport is when he's in a foreign country telling them how to live their lives the way he wants. I have had friends spend about that much time in the cop box for the same. It's the Maximum Inconvenience Deterrent theory. Usually works too. Even if they forget the GF or wife that has to go get them doesn't.

Sounds like Uncle Wicky needs to take a test:
http://www.mybraintest.org/online-memor ... ing-tests/

Do the latest reports mention what he was served for his meals while in custody?

[kurogane]

They call it Dinner,
Dinner,
Fatter than lean meat,
Grilled on a stick,
It makes some feel sick............

Humans 15 Flippers 0
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/0 ... fMc-pdV5LN

We are now taking friendly wagers on how much longer this charade will continue now that the WAZA-JAZA have shamalamadingdonged the live capture for sale gambit. I take dibs on 5 more years, after which time Taiji residents will have to resort to sourcing antique thermometers to obtain their annual mercury supplement.

[Russell]

They call it Dinner,
Dinner,
Fatter than lean meat,
Grilled on a stick,
It makes some feel sick............

Humans 15 Flippers 0
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/0 ... fMc-pdV5LN

You appear to have quite a few fans in the comments under that story...

[Takechanpoo]

as usual, "fair" english medias ignore Behind "The Cove", pass over it and act like they dont see anything.

[Wage Slave]

They call it Dinner,
Dinner,
Fatter than lean meat,
Grilled on a stick,
It makes some feel sick............

Humans 15 Flippers 0
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/0 ... fMc-pdV5LN

You appear to have quite a few fans in the comments under that story...

Yes. A very enjoyable read. Good work. Collect enough material like that and you will have quite a good little book - Something like this sort of thing:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Henry-Root-Letters/dp/0297777629/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1442028575&sr=8-1&keywords=the+henry+root+letters

[Wage Slave]

as usual, "fair" english medias ignore Behind "The Cove", pass over it and act like they dont see anything.

Feeble! Makes me fear for the future of this country if that is the best they can muster.

[kurogane]

I feel I wasted 5:38 seconds there. Is there a purpose to that or is just a rambling spastic mishmash of exploding spleen? The editing was so dreadful it was hard to get even a hint of any narrative thread and it ended up making the Flipper Meister look rather reasonable, though to be fair to him, he has always been more dodderingly misguided than truly evil like the Sea Shitbirds.

Anyways, thanks, glad you enjoyed it. It's always good fun to have a go at the evangelists. I find their self-assured provincial myopia to be quite, quite frightening, but their stupidity always makes for good fun.

[legion]

Japanese don't do logical argument well, they get offended too quickly. I deal with it all the time at work. You can go off on all kinds of trajectories, pigs are intelligent creatures, we eat them, so why not sea pigs? etc. But this is just a distraction.

The argument against the Cove is the Japanese can do what they like in their own coastal waters, they are a sovereign state. If people don't like it they can fuck off. If the Japanese police put a road block up and stopped all the foreigners there isn't much anyone abroad can do, and embassies don't really give a shit about commoners.

[Takechanpoo]

i do want to know the reason why only in the case of whale and dolphin hunting, those "conscientious" ppl can claim to stop the whole hunting itself, or why they dont claim to hunt only what its needed for the actual demand within the range not to destroy the ecosystem only in the case of dolphin and whale. in other words, why are only whale and dolphin special? i have never ever heard any persuasive explanations about it. they never can explain it because its very the same as cow for hinduism and pig for Islam. its bad because its bad! their extreme and religious claims or imposing their values have uselessly aroused bad feeling among j-ppl, even ones who were not interested in the huntings and conversely increase the demand for whale and dolphin meats. its a big irony.
after all the two sides stand on the different premises and the arguments never be on the same wavelength

[kurogane]

Take,
In short, the argument is that killing a cetacean is no different than killing a humanoid, and indeed, worse because they are smarter than we are (which does raise the point of why they keep returning to the Taiji area ). What is fun about that argument is a large proportion of the people arguing that would much, much rather see a dead human than a dead cetacean, especially if that human is not white, and double especially if they're from Taiji. I don't think it's universal but the undercurrent of misanthropy in almost any Dolphin Hugger debate is quite remarkable; they're fascists with a fuzzy face that think they're making the world safer for their chosen conformity. And that excludes actual psychopaths like the Sea Shitbirds. I think Ric O'Barry is just a doddering dementohead trying to wash away his own sins by damning others for the same ones. I get that he's American, but he sure don't talk like he's playing with a fully inflated ball no more, nope, ferschur.

So, anyways, I think I have hooked a few live ones and lured them into The Cove over there at the Japan Times article. Time for a drive hunt perhaps.

........pigs are intelligent creatures, we eat them, so why not sea pigs? etc. But this is just a distraction.

Well put that. So, are you arguing that this distraction is quibbling, or that it is unnecessary because of the reasons you stated below that? My position is simple: the dolphin hunt is a cruel thing, but not an outright evil like telling other people how to think and live, especially when it's in their own backyard.

[Russell]

Take,
In short, the argument is that killing a cetacean is no different than killing a humanoid, and indeed, worse because they are smarter than we are (which does raise the point of why they keep returning to the Taiji area ).

Not so fast.

Humans keep returning to Mecca every year, where they get crushed to death in some way or another...

[kurogane]

This is a valid point. They say it was truly a Mighty Wind. Aloha Snackbar to you!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Coligny]

Take,
In short, the argument is that killing a cetacean is no different than killing a humanoid, and indeed, worse because they are smarter than we are (which does raise the point of why they keep returning to the Taiji area ).

Not so fast.

Humans keep returning to Mecca every year, where they get crushed to death in some way or another...

The same way little kids go back to church every sunday to be cornholed by the priests...

[Takechanpoo]

"killing cow and pig is no problem because we kill it by the way not to cause pain."
on the other hand,
"killing whale and dolphin itself is evil because its dolphin and whale!"

this is the most unconvinced point for japan side. but nobody give a coherent explanation about it and they just pass over it and act like dont see anything. anyone can explain it? im waiting. thank you.

[kurogane]

As a faith based argument it doesn't need to be coherent, or even logical, and if you read enough Dolphin Huggers' posts you soon see they are rarely either. It is an evangelical fervour plain and simple. My only opposition to the dolphin hunt is that it is a bad idea to eat poisoned meat, or even argue that poisoned meat isn't poisoned. Regardless of what the locals claim, those levels of mercury in the blood suggest it should be stopped on public health grounds, and certainly not fed to children or touted as a viable meat source for consumers, though I don't think it is.

[Yokohammer]

Anyone who eats meat has absolutely no argument against eating dolphins or whales, although arguments against inhumane slaughter methods are valid. The argument against whaling in the southern ocean is an entirely different issue.

True vegans do have point though, and there is some validity to their argument against eating any kind of animal.

I had hamburger for lunch yesterday, and katsudon for dinner last night, by the way. It was not a very healthy day (the wife was away).

[Wage Slave]

And there is an argument about taking animals from the wild as opposed to farming them. Pigs and so on are farmed. Dolphins are not.

But the Japanese are culturally and historically a hunter people so that's that.

[kurogane]

True vegans do have point though, and there is some validity to their argument against eating any kind of animal.

I don't completely agree, but the real problem with vegans or even just vegetablarians is how Fukushima Dai-ichi level stupid too many of them are. I get that it's the stupid and self-absorbed that take to that sort of lemming life, which is fine, but there is no logical validity whatsoever in any argument against eating flesh: we're an omnivorous species; it's a faith based argument. If they don't want to, then don't, but don't make fatuous, sanctimonious and even peurile sermons berating others for not complying or trying to make other people think the same (friendly educational efforts aside, of course). Furthermore, the frequency with which commentors on news websites argue the Japanese shouldn't hunt or eat dolphins because they personally don't eat meat at all is possibly the greatest indictment of their undereducated overopinionation: this is not a debate about whether Little Jimmy 2 IQ and his dopey hippy GF eat meat or not, it's about whether any one society has any ethical right to lecture another society about what they should and should not put on their barbecue, and the reduction of it to a personal level demeans those of us that still try to pretend we think retards are worth educating. But nobody should imply that idiots' opinions are valid per se. It's a slippery slope that leads to talk shows and more Oprahs rising from the bilge.

And there is an argument about taking animals from the wild as opposed to farming them. Pigs and so on are farmed. Dolphins are not.

Perhaps it's the Maple Leaf factor here, but I have frequently heard the exact opposite: hunting, while an unavoidably cruel sort of harvest, is overall more humane and more ecologically sustainable than large scale animal husbandry. One argument I do hear is that farm animals are protected by regulations, but that is selective for both location and history. I find the dolphin drive hunt an unsepakably cruel method that could probably be easily ameliorated, but it is a hunt. Unfortunately, it is so one-sided it looks like a massacre. But at the end of the day, this is an argument of rational humanism against a faith based misanthropic ideology. I vote for hoomins.

But the Japanese are culturally and historically a hunter people so that's that.

Hehehehe. While they are certainly no Bushmen of the Kalahari wild meat has always fulfilled an import dietary niche; hell, they used to eat bear and Tanuki, and those are both fouler than foul, not to mention monkey stew. The problem here is they are poisoning themselves out of peeve, and killing cruelly to prove a point. Not much to defend there, but at least they're not filthy imperialist hippy scum whose stupidity is only matched by their hysterics.

[Yokohammer]

Long, but well-balanced and informative for those who have the time and interest.

In short, we're producing and eating too much meat.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/should-humans-eat-meat-excerpt/