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[jez]

You challenge without establishing yourself first, thus instead of coming off as informed, you simply appear to be calling everyone a liar. Why shouldn't people have prejudices? Because you say so?

If that's how you view me, I can not contradict you. However, through my 'attacks', I am obviously telling people what I think. If someone posts something I view as offensive, I will say so. Again, I am not telling people what they must not say. I ask them to be less prejudiced, but I have no power to censor, and I do not wish to do so.
You obviously think I am on this forum simply for the purpose of contradicting people. Perhaps I am, in the sense that I know there will always be ignorant people on any forum, and I hope to bring my opinion to the forum(this is not to say that everything I write is correct, but I try to remain rational at all times). However, I am also here to contribute to the debate, as can be seen by my creation of new threads such as this one.
I know most people don't want to be disturbed in their comfortable little lives, but I'm afraid this is the www, and as long as I am not censored, I will continue to speak my mind.
Again, if I was a woman, could it be your reaction to my latest complaint would have been different?

[AssKissinger]

This occurs because receptive anal intercourse significantly increases the risk of developing this cancer

I wish they explained why but the truth is the probably don't know exactly. Maybe I'm just blinded by my love of butt-fuckin' but I still think maybe what's not said here is anal intercourse significantly increases the risk of developing the cancer because it often leads to HPV.

Why would anal sex alone cause cancer? That's what I can't (or won't?) understand. Anyway, thanks for digging up the links BB and sorry if I'm being too stubborn to face the truth.

[GargoyleTS]

Jez: 1) Like the new Avatar. 2) If you were a woman, I would still have had a problem with your posts. Euphemistic language happens, its part of people's ownership of the language they speak. Gomigirl didn't care for it, but she pretty much just ignore's the topic because , and she can correct me if I'm wrong, she feels its just guy talk. Guy talk. That's all.

Neo: I thought your avatar was the guy from Equalibrium? Uh....the guy from American Psycho...!Christian Bale! Is that incorrect?

[GargoyleTS]

Why would anal sex alone cause cancer? That's what I can't (or won't?) understand. Anyway, thanks for digging up the links BB and sorry if I'm being too stubborn to face the truth.

Perhaps because it's likely to cause some damage to the delicate tissues in a very dirty area. Remember, not only are food wastes processed out into the colon, but also poisons, dead cells, bacteria, and viruses (usually encapsulated by white blood cells) are also in fecal matter. No matter how much one cleans even with enemas and such, some matter will always remain, and while this may not pose much of a threat while it contained within the system designed for getting it moved out of the body, if it can find a way out the prison of the colon, it stands an excellent chance of doing much damage. Liken the colon to a maximum secutrity super-prison right in the Heart of downtown Tokyo and you have an idea of the damage that can occur. If there is an escape, there are victims a-plenty right outside the walls. Plus, the colon (I believe) can work both ways. so if there are any bacteria or virii on your Jimmy before pentration, your are now INTRODUCING additional danger into the equation. Now you have people just wandering into the prison without checking them for weapons or contraband, and you can't allow that! Its just a risk factor though. If your girl digs and you dig and you both know and understand the dangers, then smoke that cigarette baby!

[ramchop]

However, why you think Keanu is more humourous than Cat, is beyond my understanding

Who is Cat? I thought your last avatar was Charles Manson (maybe it's a beard thing). Very disturbing it was too as he looked almost identical to my younger brother (though I've never seen him with a beard).

[Caustic Saint]

Neo: I thought your avatar was the guy from Equalibrium? Uh....the guy from American Psycho...!Christian Bale! Is that incorrect?

That's who it is. And he's the next Batman, too!

Neo's avatar is where he's saying, "no, not without incident," right before he goes on a nice whoopass spree. Fun movie, a few creative action sequences, simple plot. Too bad it tanked at the box office. It's currently the biggest-selling bootleg DVD in Korea - if what the sellers have playing on their "showcase" TVs in any indication. (Whenever I go to the market at least 2/3 of all the sellers have it playing. More than Kill Bill, Revolutions or anything else they've just gotten. Not bad for a movie over a year old.)

It's actually gotten decent ratings on IMDB, scoring a 7.7/10. (As a contrast, since equilibrium is often compared to the Martix, those three films scored 8.5, 7.2 and 6.4, in order.)

[Big Booger]

Why would anal sex alone cause cancer? That's what I can't (or won't?) understand. Anyway, thanks for digging up the links BB and sorry if I'm being too stubborn to face the truth.

Perhaps because it's likely to cause some damage to the delicate tissues in a very dirty area. Remember, not only are food wastes processed out into the colon, but also poisons, dead cells, bacteria, and viruses (usually encapsulated by white blood cells) are also in fecal matter. No matter how much one cleans even with enemas and such, some matter will always remain, and while this may not pose much of a threat while it contained within the system designed for getting it moved out of the body, if it can find a way out the prison of the colon, it stands an excellent chance of doing much damage. Liken the colon to a maximum secutrity super-prison right in the Heart of downtown Tokyo and you have an idea of the damage that can occur. If there is an escape, there are victims a-plenty right outside the walls. Plus, the colon (I believe) can work both ways. so if there are any bacteria or virii on your Jimmy before pentration, your are now INTRODUCING additional danger into the equation. Now you have people just wandering into the prison without checking them for weapons or contraband, and you can't allow that! Its just a risk factor though. If your girl digs and you dig and you both know and understand the dangers, then smoke that cigarette baby!

I think GTS hit the spot. When you bust the lining of the anus, and it gets infected with god knows what, it could lead to a cancerous growth. Especially if it is performed enough.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

[ramchop]

There's so much wrong with your post I don't know which bits to quote.

A few seconds out of the blood stream? How does that explain the high incidence amongst heroin addicts.

Lesbian sex the most dangerous?, did you just make that up?


Anal sex is more dangerous (to the receiver)


The point you should emphasise is the promiscuity bit. Not cloud it with a lot of inaccuracies. You also need a crash course in statistics.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

A few seconds out of the blood stream? How does that explain the high incidence amongst heroin addicts.

A sharing needles I might guess not through anal sex. The point of my post was not about needle use/misuse

Lesbian sex the most dangerous?, did you just make that up?

No I read it in print more than likely through nursing times or a similar journal, unfortunatly print material does not have a search engine. even I know some do have online editions referencing everything is a pain in the arse he he.

Anal sex

is more dangerous (to the receiver)

Underlining does not make the arguement valid.

The point you should emphasise is the promiscuity bit. Not cloud it with a lot of inaccuracies. You also need a crash course in statistics.

Yes I thought I did emphasise promiscuity. Clouding is just icing on the top. I have taken quite a few courses in statistics. But I am sure you know that 98% of statistics is complete bullshit anyway.

[ramchop]

Underlining does not make the arguement valid.

True, but pointing to the underlining doesn't invalidate the arguement either.

I have taken quite a few courses in statistics. But I am sure you know that 98% of statistics is complete bullshit anyway.

Did you pass?

[jez]

Jez: 1) Like the new Avatar.

Glad I can please someone.

Euphemistic language happens, its part of people's ownership of the language they speak.

Indeed it does. Indeed it is. Which is not to say everyone must use such language or like such language. We are all free to say what we like(as long as it does not cause undue harm), even "fucking-money-grabbing- jew-ass-nigger" if we like. We are also free to express disgust at such language.

Gomigirl didn't care for it, but she pretty much just ignore's the topic because , and she can correct me if I'm wrong, she feels its just guy talk. Guy talk. That's all.

If I must, I will remind you that I am not Gomi Girl. Gomi Girl can think what she likes(at the moment it is you who are analysing her thought). Unlike what some people might claim, I do not wish to tell GG, or other women, what she/they must or must not think.
I, personally, am disturbed by certain usages of language. I do not accept that it is 'guy talk'. Until proof of the contrary, I am a 'guy', and I do not use that language. Neither do most of my male friends. Continue using whatever language you feel the need to use, but allow me to express my dislike of such language when I feel it appropriate to do so.

[GargoyleTS]

I, personally, am disturbed by certain usages of language. I do not accept that it is 'guy talk'. Until proof of the contrary, I am a 'guy', and I do not use that language. Neither do most of my male friends. Continue using whatever language you feel the need to use, but allow me to express my dislike of such language when I feel it appropriate to do so.

Now that's comedy! So, all "guy"s must speak and act like you? Or no "guy" may use language you do not approve of? Maybe its that you didn't experience MY social upbringing, but feel the need to impose your views and beliefs on me? Arrogance, your name is Jez! It is indeed "guy talk" or perhaps you know it as "locker room conversation" or some other euphemism for regular joes conversation among themsleves in America. But wait! *I* must be the arrogant one here because I used a term from my social frame of reference and expected you to understand it! HOW SILLY OF ME! Of course my views are invalidated by the fact that our social frames are different. But wait, that would make yours irrelevant too...

[jez]

I, personally, am disturbed by certain usages of language. I do not accept that it is 'guy talk'. Until proof of the contrary, I am a 'guy', and I do not use that language. Neither do most of my male friends. Continue using whatever language you feel the need to use, but allow me to express my dislike of such language when I feel it appropriate to do so.

So, all "guy"s must speak and act like you? Or no "guy" may use language you do not approve of?

Now you are going off track. Where did I say all guys must talk like me? Your reference to 'guy talk', makes it sound as if that's how guys talk. It makes it sound as if it's somehow natural for guys to talk in such a way. I am merely pointing out that guys don't necessarily speak like that, and that it is not necessary to do so. Of course(how many times wil I ahave to repeat it?), you are free to speak as you wish. And again, I will assert my right to voice my opinion.
Many things are common to different groups of populations(guys, aristocrats, country folk, WASPS etc.). That these are common does not mean they must be right.

[jez]

It is indeed "guy talk"

I would call it macho(guy-) talk.

[GargoyleTS]

Sounds like a misunderstanding then. When I said "guy talk" I mean the phenemenon whereby a group of guys, usually under 25, will basically BS each other and put on the image of "macho bastard". Also often accompanied by drinking (which several posters here do). This is the "guy talk" I was referencing. You may not do this, if so, there's where the problem in communication is.

[jez]

Sounds like a misunderstanding then. When I said "guy talk" I mean the phenemenon whereby a group of guys, usually under 25, will basically BS each other and put on the image of "macho bastard". Also often accompanied by drinking (which several posters here do). This is the "guy talk" I was referencing. You may not do this, if so, there's where the problem in communication is.

Are most guys under 25 here?
You'll probably accuse of being picky with words, but I think words are important(as you may have noticed), and generalising creates not only misunderstandings, but also misperceptions. "guy talk" and "girl talk" are misleading terms, since they insinuate(however unconsiously on the part of the speaker), that it is natural for members of each group, ie girls/guys, to talk in such a manner.

[GargoyleTS]

It is natural. Guys and gals talk different when they are not around each other, or when they feel *very* comfortable with the members of the opposite sex who are around.

[jez]

It is natural. Guys and gals talk different when they are not around each other, or when they feel *very* comfortable with the members of the opposite sex who are around.

It may come naturally to some guys/girls, but not to all.
"Guy talk"(exagerated for the purpose of the discussion):"wow! look at that arse!I'd love to bone her!" Not all guys speak anything like that, and so it is not "guy talk", but "macho talk".
"Girl talk"(as above):"eww...gross!"/"Cho kawaii!". Again, not all girls speak anything like that, so it's not "girl talk", but "childish/kawaii etc. talk".
Personally, I talk differently with different people, regardless of their sex, age or whatever. I have some much older friends, for example, with whom I'd feel more comfortable using swear words than some people my age. Likewise, I might use words such as "fuck" with some women, and not with some men.

[ramchop]

Speaking of ratios, I wonder what the female:male ratio of HIV infection is in Japan. It's much easier for a woman to catch it from a man than the reverse. Unless of course you're talking a man to man encounter (ick!, yes it's a un-PC "ick!" but I just can't help it).

I've said this many times already, and still get accused of being 'arrogant'. It seems to me, that some people, rather than addressing an issue, would rather skip round the issue by criticising the messenger.

Interesting. In this case you've targeted a silly aside made by the messenger rather than addressing the issue. And a steaming pile of pages of excrement (ick!) [admittedly fueled by a ramchop in angry troll mode] resulted.

Or is the issue a non-issue? Is the ratio of male:female HIV patients in Japan irrelevent? Is it dangerous to inform people that men don't catch the virus as easily as women? Should homosexuals be treated differently because they're in a higer risk group, or should human rights take precedent over public health issues? Lots of issues to focus on... but instead, let's just focus on the "ick".

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

Or is the issue a non-issue? Is the ratio of male:female HIV patients in Japan irrelevent? Is it dangerous to inform people that men don't catch the virus as easily as women? Should homosexuals be treated differently because they're in a higer risk group, or should human rights take precedent over public health issues? Lots of issues to focus on... but instead, let's just focus on the "ick".

This was the kind of stuff I was saying earlier but it got ripped apart.

[slashdot reference]o0(I wonder does goatse have aids)[/slashdot reference]

[ramchop]

This was the kind of stuff I was saying earlier but it got ripped apart.

So I'm a hypocrite... but I'll dispute any claims that I'm an ignorant hypocrite.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

This was the kind of stuff I was saying earlier but it got ripped apart.

So I'm a hypocrite... but I'll dispute any claims that I'm an ignorant hypocrite.

I didnt say you were a hyprcrite, maybe a little ignorant though

[jez]

Or is the issue a non-issue? Is the ratio of male:female HIV patients in Japan irrelevent? Is it dangerous to inform people that men don't catch the virus as easily as women? Should homosexuals be treated differently because they're in a higer risk group, or should human rights take precedent over public health issues? Lots of issues to focus on... but instead, let's just focus on the "ick".

Surely, one is permitted to move away from the original subject of the thread(unless you're on JapanToday). There is a difference, however, between moving on to a different subject, and attacking a messenger, rather than his/her message(strawman fallacy).
As for the human rights issue, I would say that I never stopped anyone from discussing whether or not Homosexuals are a higher risk group. I may or may not agree, but personally, I was more concerned with your use of the term 'ick', and it's apparent relation to gay sex. Let's not go back there, however, I think we've covered that particular issue.

[Caustic Saint]

gay sex. Let's not go back there,

But going "back there" is what the gay sex is all about!

[ramchop]

But going "back there" is what the gay sex is all about!

5 people in my office gave me (and my bright pink/blue computer screen) an odd look after I laughed a tad too loudly at that one.

jez, you have a new lost soul to correct.

[jez]

gay sex. Let's not go back there,

But going "back there" is what the gay sex is all about!

[jez]

jez, you have a new lost soul to correct.

In this case, it may be lessons in subtle humour that you need

[Caustic Saint]

jez, you have a new lost soul to correct.

In this case, it may be lessons in subtle humour that you need

Subtlety works best when applied with a sledgehammer.

[jez]

Subtlety works best when applied with a sledgehammer.

Naruhodo ne