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Japanese Don't Give A Damn About Anyone Else

Postby Mulboyne » Sun May 20, 2007 12:53 pm

[floatr]Image[/floatr]Yomiuri: Have today's Japanese lost their empathy?
There is widespread concern today that traditional Japanese modes of behavior and thought are breaking down...Pianist Izumi Tateno, 70, had lived in Finland for years. But he returned to Japan for the first time in 40 years after suffering a stroke in 2002. He came back to Tokyo for rehabilitation, but was shocked by the changes to the megalopolis. When he walks along a crowded Tokyo street, the pianist finds that he is never offered help, despite his obvious difficulty moving his right leg, which was partially paralyzed due to the stroke..."Tokyo has become a society where emotional ties between people are very weak," Tateno said. At a New York policy research institute in 1997, Seiko Yamazaki, a chief researcher of Dentsu Communication Institute, lectured on why irreligious Japanese were able to keep high moral standards. "[For instance,] Japanese people believe that you will certainly feel a backlash if you spit or throw a stone at something," she told the audience there...Ten years have passed since that speech. In 2005-07, Yamazaki and her colleagues conducted an international survey on values and found that the percentage of Japanese who said it was important to help one another was the second lowest among the 18 countries surveyed. "What kind of people are we Japanese becoming?" Yamazaki lamented...more...

See also FG Thread: Tokyo not even ranked as "courteous city".

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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sun May 20, 2007 1:03 pm

The most shocking thing about that article is that a guy would return to Japan from Finland for rehabilitation after a stroke.
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Postby Charles » Sun May 20, 2007 1:06 pm

I recall reading an essay with a similar theme, back in my Japanese literature class. The author denounced the new generation of youths, they were uncouth, uncivil, excessively materialistic, narcissistic, and disrespectful of social norms. If I recall correctly, the essay was written in the Heian era.
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Postby Blah Pete » Sun May 20, 2007 2:19 pm

3 reasons why Japan has changed in the last 20 years:

1. Bursting of the economic bubble
2. Government inaction after Kobe earthquake
3. Sarin gas attack on Tokyo subway

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Postby Doctor Stop » Sun May 20, 2007 2:51 pm

4. The changing of the term used to refer to Japanese brothels from Torukoburo to Soapland.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sun May 20, 2007 3:16 pm

5. The insidious nature of the JET Program(me).
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Postby Doctor Stop » Sun May 20, 2007 3:32 pm

6. The popularity of the advanced beer substitute known as happoshu.
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Postby Taro Toporific » Sun May 20, 2007 4:46 pm

7. Banning litter blue plastic trash cans in flavor of the crow and rat feeding program of leaking trash bags.


....He came back to Tokyo for rehabilitation, but was shocked by the changes to the megalopolis. When he walks along a crowded Tokyo street, the pianist finds that he is never offered help...

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Postby dimwit » Sun May 20, 2007 6:06 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:Back in the good old days, locking crippled children and seniors in the attic was an honorable Japanese family tradition.


Taro that is what the Shikoku pilgramage is all about. Leave Crazy ol' granny somewhere out in the sticks and allowing them to honorably die of starvation and exposure. My guess is that the temples used to sell 'Don't come near me, I have leprosy' signs that the family could put on the baba's back.
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Postby Behan » Sun May 20, 2007 6:57 pm

It was only a few years ago that the local station put in an elevator and escalators. Before that, to get into the station, JR staff would be called to come down and carry people up and down the stairs in their wheel chairs.
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Postby Iraira » Sun May 20, 2007 9:26 pm

Nice timing with this thread. I was on the Hibiya line this morning with my gf heading up to Tobu-Doubutsukoen, and some guy in his mid-20's basically rolled off the seat and onto the floor of the train. He seemed kinda hung over from a combination of heroin and gin.
I kinda expected everyone to ignore him, but 4 people rushed over to him (yeah, me included) to see if he was alive. 3 of us dragged him off the train and got an attendant to call the paramedics, even though it meant we all had to wait for the next train to get back onto our respective journies.
Sorry no pics of him, and I didn't have time to rip through his wallet, but a deer at the zoo tired to eat my cell phone, which was also kinda nice. Japanese deer like Vodafone.
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Postby Ke11iente » Sun May 20, 2007 11:26 pm

I don't think it's that Japanese people aren't compassionate, it's just that they're not considerate.
Like, if someone is in obvious, serious distress, there will be 8 people there helping them out right away. But no one goes out of their way just to be nice to or considerate of someone if that person is not practically near death.
This weekend, I saw an old man that looked like he was either drunk or mentally disabled fall really hard on a stone path at the Sanja Matsuri. The whole crowd of people near him stopped what they were doing to check on him. They physically helped him stand up and collect his things and made sure he was alright.
However, by contrast, if you try to offer your seat on the bus or the train to an old lady, everyone around you looks at you like you're fucking crazy and even the old lady herself acts like you're harassing her or something by offering her your seat.
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Postby ttjereth » Mon May 21, 2007 12:43 am

Not to derail the funny reasons for the decline of society and general naysaying, but does anyone know where to find a copy of this article in Japanese?

Can't seem to find one.
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Postby xenomorph42 » Mon May 21, 2007 9:39 am

Ke11iente wrote:I don't think it's that Japanese people aren't compassionate, it's just that they're not considerate.
Like, if someone is in obvious, serious distress, there will be 8 people there helping them out right away. But no one goes out of their way just to be nice to or considerate of someone if that person is not practically near death.
This weekend, I saw an old man that looked like he was either drunk or mentally disabled fall really hard on a stone path at the Sanja Matsuri. The whole crowd of people near him stopped what they were doing to check on him. They physically helped him stand up and collect his things and made sure he was alright.
However, by contrast, if you try to offer your seat on the bus or the train to an old lady, everyone around you looks at you like you're fucking crazy and even the old lady herself acts like you're harassing her or something by offering her your seat.


I can recall a while back when I heard a loud thud and I looked down from my balcony and I saw a little 8 year old boy who crashed his bike hitting inadvertently a rather large light pole. Blood was gushing from his head, he was yelling in pain(this was on a kinda busy cross-bridge over a canal)and no one bothered to help the kid. I was on the 5th floor, by the time I got dressed and got down, 8 min. had passed...got there, still; no one came! I was beside myself, the people just looked and my gf came and tried to help me, we then called the paramedics and once they arrived, then a few people came and swooped around us like Vultures, wondering if the kid was alright.
I just wanted to tell everyone to....anyway, it is sad beyond belief that it has to come to a grisly accident like that for people give you a helping hand. The boy was alright, thank God, but it broke my heart to see that no one cared at all, the look on their faces where like; good, this guy should have everything under control, so no need to get myself involved. Are all Japanese like this, certainly not; but a very large segment of the society has the mindset of "Out of sight, out of mind"
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Postby maraboutslim » Mon May 21, 2007 10:45 am

This is a pretty complex subject. I think in some situations, Japanese don't want to help because it starts this crazy cycle of the person who got helped feeling indebeted to the nice guy and then they have to pay them back. And then the one who received the payback feels indebted and...the cycle goes on forever. So...by helping someone, you are basically putting them into debt, socially. So unless it's totally necessary, I think most Japanese would prefer not to receive help and not to hand it out and spare themselves the whole thing.

Which reminds me of a story about a stupid gaijin trying to help and getting the poor guy in more trouble than he was in the first place. I was walking back to my aparto after a fireworks festival once when I saw a young (18-22?) man leaning against a vending machine, holding his stomach with a bloody hand. I assumed the guy had been stabbed or something and went running off to the koban (painfully in my flip flops). No one was at the kohan of course since they were all patrolling the fireworks. So I returned to the area and found a couple of cops and called them over. It turned out that the guy wasn't cut in the stomach, but just in the hand. And he wasn't groggy from the injury, but was just totally drunk. So the cops hassled him about it and I felt like a jerk... Yes, I should have minded my own business.
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Postby Ke11iente » Mon May 21, 2007 3:15 pm

So the cops hassled him about it and I felt like a jerk... Yes, I should have minded my own business.


nah... I still think you did the right thing because what if he really HAD been cut in the stomach. It sucks that it turned out that way, but better to let him get hassled about being drunk in public than to let somebody bleed to death or something.
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Postby Charles » Mon May 21, 2007 4:11 pm

maraboutslim wrote:This is a pretty complex subject. I think in some situations, Japanese don't want to help because it starts this crazy cycle of the person who got helped feeling indebeted to the nice guy and then they have to pay them back. And then the one who received the payback feels indebted and...the cycle goes on forever. So...by helping someone, you are basically putting them into debt, socially. So unless it's totally necessary, I think most Japanese would prefer not to receive help and not to hand it out and spare themselves the whole thing.

Murakami Haruki wrote about this topic, he said that Japanese have basically no default relationship to strangers, but by interacting with them, they have to form a relationship and evaluate their respective status (is that person above me, below, etc.) and thus they would rather not interact with strangers so they don't have to evaluate their position. Thus, strangers become "unpersons." I'm not sure I fully agree with this argument, but I think he was exaggerating to make a valid point.
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Postby maraboutslim » Wed May 23, 2007 3:35 pm

Actually, that's exactly what I used to tell people. Japanese society is/was so structured hierarchically that you don't even know how to speak to someone until you know their position or if they are part of your in group or some other group. so everyone just ignores everyone else and pushes each other around with impunity. that's the problem with lots of rules. once you get to a certain point, common sense becomes no longer necessary - you just follow the rules. but then when there is a situation for which no rule is known, people just go stupid and selfish and push each other around like obaasans on the trains. (and i mean the obaasans are the ones doing the pushing!)
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