Spaceship Shibuya

[Mulboyne]

Here's an image of Tadao Ando's new design for Shibuya station which will be part of a renewal of the East exit area including the Tokyu Bunka Kaikan. As mentioned in this thread, the Toyoko line will be housed in the new terminal. Including four basement levels, the building will have 33 stories and Ando is reported to have had in mind a spaceship when coming up with his plan.

[GuyJean]

.. an image of Tadao Ando's new design for Shibuya station which will be part of a renewal of the East exit area..

Cool. Now they can jump off a ledge.. into and on-coming train.

GJ

[ttjereth]

Taking into account how well kept other stations here are and how well white paint tends to hold up in Japan, this should be a nasty, crusty gray in what 2, maybe 3 days after opening?

[Jack]

It doesn't take long for all the stupid negativity to surface. The first two replies to the topic and already shitting all over the refurbishing plan. You guys must have great social lives.

[Jack]

Taking into account how well kept other stations here are and how well white paint tends to hold up in Japan, this should be a nasty, crusty gray in what 2, maybe 3 days after opening?

What do you know? You are an architectural expert? Go checkout the Keio Inokashira line in Mark City and you will see how nicely it is holding up. That refurbishment has been phenomenally successful and they are trying to repeat that at the other end of the station.

[GuyJean]

It doesn't take long for all the stupid negativity to surface. The first two replies to the topic and already shitting all over the refurbishing plan. You guys must have great social lives.

:lol: As you're well aware, Jack; Rudeness and gaijinness get you laid in Japan.. How's your 'social life', married Canadian man?

GJ

[Jack]

[quote="GuyJean"]:lol: As you're well aware, Jack]

I think I'll edit that "social life" part in my post because right now it's:
GuyJean 1 and Jack 0

[GuyJean]

.. GuyJean 1 and Jack 0

Don't be so hard on yourself.. There's no need to jump from the platform in the new Shibuya station.. into an on-coming train!

Suicide.. Don't do it!

Gj

[baka tono]

Spaceship my ass. Why not have oh I dont know maybe a train station in mind instead? I like what Ive seen of the Minato Mirai line stations in Yokohama with old photos on the walls or ocean themed art around. It would be nice if they had culture and art in mind instead of a freakin spaceship for Shibuya.

[Typhoon]

Here's an image of Tadao Ando's new design for Shibuya station which will be part of a renewal of the East exit area including the Tokyu Bunka Kaikan. As mentioned in this thread, the Toyoko line will be housed in the new terminal. Including four basement levels, the building will have 33 stories and Ando is reported to have had in mind a spaceship when coming up with his plan.

Looks good to me.

As a lot of buildings in Tokyo went up during the 60's to 80's rush, they're overdue for a redevelopment.

On the other hand, I have to admit to being disappointed by Ando's design for Omotesando Hills.
It felt cramped and has little connection/continuity with Omotesando dori.

http://www.youtube.com/v/uYMRqvB1HQc

But then it's much easier to criticize then create.

[ttjereth]

What do you know? You are an architectural expert?

Amazing how I can just use those exact same two questions to reply to you, isn't it? (switching the positions of the "are" and "you" of course)

[GuyJean]

Man jumps to his death in front of train at busy Tokyo station
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20070929p2a00m0na003000c.html

A man died after jumping in front of a train at a railway station in downtown Tokyo Friday night, police said.

At about 9:30 p.m., a man jumped onto the tracks of the JR Yamanote Line at Ebisu Station in Shibuya-ku, and was hit by an arriving train. He died from massive injuries he sustained to his whole body. Police are trying to confirm his identity.

Services on the Yamanote Line that circles in downtown Tokyo were suspended for nearly an hour following the accident, inconveniencing about 45,000 passengers.

The Friday night asshole..

I bet if they posted pictures and names of convicted chikan and pussy jumpers, both statistical numbers would decrease..

GJ

[L S]

The Friday night asshole..

I bet if they posted pictures and names of convicted chikan and pussy jumpers, both statistical numbers would decrease..

GJ

What?! They are convicting chikan and pussy jumpers now?!

[GuyJean]

What?! They are convicting chikan and pussy jumpers now?!

I meant; chikan who are convicted, and pussy-jumpers who are obviously guilty..

GJ

[Greji]

[quote="GuyJean"]pussy-jumpers who are obviously guilty.. ]

Are you advocating the posting of your and my pictures?

[Jack]

Amazing how I can just use those exact same two questions to reply to you, isn't it? (switching the positions of the "are" and "you" of course)

I am ot criticizing the redevelopment and I am saying just take a look at what happened at the other end of the station and it still looks amazing today. This one could as well. So bugger off.

[ttjereth]

I am ot criticizing the redevelopment and I am saying just take a look at what happened at the other end of the station and it still looks amazing today. This one could as well. So bugger off.

And I am criticizing and comparing to other stations which look like crap today even after renovations.

My uneducated opinion is no less valid than your uneducated opinion just because it happens to be negative, so bugger right back at ya.

[Takechanpoo]

Old Ando should leave the front line of J-architect.
This oyaji's architect makes town's scenery bloodthirst.

[Jack]

And I am criticizing and comparing to other stations which look like crap today even after renovations.

My uneducated opinion is no less valid than your uneducated opinion just because it happens to be negative, so bugger right back at ya.

Your opinion is negative only because this is Japan and the architect is Japanese. If it was American or British...

[ttjereth]

Your opinion is negative only because this is Japan and the architect is Japanese. If it was American or British...

Bullshit. My opinion is negative based on the circumstances here where the station is being built (high humidity, heavy pollution, infrequent and less than thorough cleaning at stations) and doesn't have a damn thing to do with the architect or the architecture, just the color.

If you're looking for someone with some sort of Japan complex I suggest a mirror.

[Jack]

Bullshit. My opinion is negative based on the circumstances here where the station is being built (high humidity, heavy pollution, infrequent and less than thorough cleaning at stations) and doesn't have a damn thing to do with the architect or the architecture, just the color.

If you're looking for someone with some sort of Japan complex I suggest a mirror.

What you say makes no sense. Like I suggested earlier go take a look at what happened in Mark City the Keio Inokashira line and you will see that your observation is wrong and is tainted by your anti-Japanese complex.

[ttjereth]

What you say makes no sense. Like I suggested earlier go take a look at what happened in Mark City the Keio Inokashira line and you will see that your observation is wrong and is tainted by your anti-Japanese complex.

How does it make no sense? Re-read my original comment because I think you are confusing me with someone else.

What I said was that with it being colored white it would end up a nasty gray color soon after just like nearly every other public space in the country that's painted white.

How does that show bias or an "anti-Japanese" complex? Explain what you mean instead of just mindlessly throwing around pseudo-intellectual insults.

I think that feeling the need to jump in with "well it's still better than in the states" or "you wouldn't say that if it was the states/american/white/etc." whenever anyone mentions anything related to Japan, especially when the topic at hand has nothing at all to do with the U.S. or Europe or race or nationality or citizenship, shows that you are the one with the Japanese complex.

Am I not allowed to comment negatively on something in Japan because I am not Japanese or just because you disagree with it?

And I don't need to look at Mark City on the Keio Inokashira line, nor does one example prove me wrong. Look at any of the stations on the Oedo line east of Shinjuku (opened in 2000 I believe) and you have plenty of proof backing up my observation.

Or even better, the refurbished Akihabara station which is absolutely disgusting in some areas.

[Jack]

How does it make no sense? Re-read my original comment because I think you are confusing me with someone else.

What I said was that with it being colored white it would end up a nasty gray color soon after just like nearly every other public space in the country that's painted white.

How does that show bias or an "anti-Japanese" complex? Explain what you mean instead of just mindlessly throwing around pseudo-intellectual insults.

I think that feeling the need to jump in with "well it's still better than in the states" or "you wouldn't say that if it was the states/american/white/etc." whenever anyone mentions anything related to Japan, especially when the topic at hand has nothing at all to do with the U.S. or Europe or race or nationality or citizenship, shows that you are the one with the Japanese complex.

Am I not allowed to comment negatively on something in Japan because I am not Japanese or just because you disagree with it?

And I don't need to look at Mark City on the Keio Inokashira line, nor does one example prove me wrong. Look at any of the stations on the Oedo line east of Shinjuku (opened in 2000 I believe) and you have plenty of proof backing up my observation.

Or even better, the refurbished Akihabara station which is absolutely disgusting in some areas.

The more you talk the more you confirm my point. Do you think the architects who have built Omotesando Hills, or others like Roppongi Hills, Tokyo Midtown, Ebisu Gardens and I could go on, don't know what humidity is like in Tokyo? Are you out of your mind? Look around you where "urban cool" has gone to new heights. You think the designers don't know an obvious and juvenile observation like "Tokyo is too fucking humid and will make paint peel" and use appropriate material? I disagree with you because your observation is stupid and is tainted by your anti-Japanese complex. How else can you explain such a moronic rejection of the plan after seeing only one Internet photograph?

Some Tokyo design landmarks: Omotesando Hills is an amazing design and visually stunning, Tokyo Midtown shows what urban cool will be in the next century in western countries. You want me go on?

[ttjereth]

The more you talk the more you confirm my point. Do you think the architects who have built Omotesando Hills, or others like Roppongi Hills, Tokyo Midtown, Ebisu Gardens and I could go on, don't know what humidity is like in Tokyo? Are you out of your mind? Look around you where "urban cool" has gone to new heights. You think the designers don't know an obvious and juvenile observation like "Tokyo is too fucking humid and will make paint peel" and use appropriate material? I disagree with you because your observation is stupid and is tainted by your anti-Japanese complex. How else can you explain such a moronic rejection of the plan after seeing only one Internet photograph?

Some Tokyo design landmarks: Omotesando Hills is an amazing design and visually stunning, Tokyo Midtown shows what urban cool will be in the next century in western countries. You want me go on?

Where do I talk about peeling? DISCOLORATION. Now are you going to tell me that there is no discoloration of white stations/buildings/architecture in Japan, despite the fact that the people who built/designed them should know it was going to discolor and end up an ugly dirty gray?

I also don't "reject the plan" or make any other comment about the validity/aesthetic qualities/architecture/etc. of the station.

Really, really simple. A high traffic area, subject to the same humidity, pollution, dirt that has managed to turn the vast majority of white architecture here to a fairly nasty, grungy gray, is likely to suffer the same fate. Your claim that they won't just because they are built by people who are aware of these conditions (so are all the other aforementioned buildings and the stations I noted that you so convienently forgot to address) is as full of shit as you are.

I made a casual observation (half jokingly btw), and you blew it all out of proportion with your crazy tangents and wacky ideas about relationships between discoloration of paint and nationality/ethnicity-based complexes. You're either trolling or a somewhat mentally unstable/not terribly clever person.

You're obviously either incapable of or uninterested in reading and understanding what other people are actually writing and as much fun as it is (it's not really) watching you carry out an argument with me based on things that I didn't (nor did anyone else in the thread for that matter) say, and bring up comparisons with the architecture of Roppongi Hills, Ebisu Gardens or any other number of things completely unrelated to the discoloration of the color white in a fucking subway station, it's getting old. So let's agree to disagree. You enjoy your life in candyland or whatever fantasy world you live in, and I'll be slowly backing away towards the (slightly) more sane members of the forum.

[Mulboyne]

Above is a more detailed image of Ando's Shibuya Station design. This model will be on display for the first week of November in the Tokyu Department Store main building and Ando will be speaking about his design at an event of the 2nd November in the lobby lounge of the adjoining Bunkamura. There'll be a maximum of 150 tickets available from 10:30 and the talk will start at 1:00pm. You can still catch a free display of a 1/500 scale model of the Shibuya area and details of the ongoing redevelopment at Mark City until November 4th.

Here's aerial shots of some of the work being done for the new Fukutoshin line and the new skyscraper:

[Iraira]

Great, he's getting paid how much to make a huge Drosophila melanogaster larvae.

[Mulboyne]

The stairwell in Shibuya Station which will be part of the new Fukutoshin line.