15Yrs for Waterboarding F*cked Gaijin

[L S]

Old news is new news...

In the war crimes tribunals that followed Japan's defeat in World War II, the issue of waterboarding was sometimes raised. In 1947, the U.S. charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for waterboarding a U.S. civilian. Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor.
"All of these trials elicited compelling descriptions of water torture from its victims, and resulted in severe punishment for its perpetrators," writes Evan Wallach in the Columbia Journal of Transnational Law.

from Nov. 5th Talk of the Nation, Waterboarding History

From: UC Berkley, War Crimes Studies Center

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[align=left]Defendant: Asano, Yukio

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Docket Date: 53/ May 1 - 28, 1947, Yokohama, Japan
Charge: Violation of the Laws and Customs of War: 1. Did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture PWs. 2. Did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for PWs.
Specifications:beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward
Verdict: 15 years CHL



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Note: I posted this incorrectly on Politcal Erections so reposting here in hopes of taking the other down.

[L S]

Talk of the Nation, November 5, 2007

[I]Current TV journalist and former military officer Kaj Larsen paid $800 to endure being "waterboarded."
The controversial interrogation technique simulates the feeling of drowning and many argue that it should be considered a form of torture.
Retired federal judge Michael Mukasey's nomination to U.S. attorney general was almost derailed by his refusal to reveal whether he viewed the interrogation practice as torture.
Larsen talks about his experience, and describes what it is like to be water-boarded.[/I]

[I]Audio Link of Interview with Kaj Larsen (ex-Navy Seal)

Video Link of Kaj Larsen's 22min Waterboarding [/I]

[Socratesabroad]

Scary - but impressive - how truly effective the technique really is.

CIA members who've undergone water boarding as part of their training have lasted an average of 14 seconds before begging to be released. The Navy SEALs once used the technique in their counter-interrogation training, but they stopped because the trainees could not survive it without breaking, which was bad for morale.

I guess if you ban waterboarding then the CIA'll have to make do with its remaining hazing rituals, oops, I mean, harsh interrogation techniques:

1. The Attention Grab
2. Attention Slap
3. The Belly Slap
4. Long Time Standing
5. The Cold Cell

And if that doesn't work, the CIA'll pull out the big guns:

The detainees were also forced to listen to rap artist Eminem's "Slim Shady" album. The music was so foreign to them it made them frantic, sources said.

[Greji]

Old news is new news...

from Nov. 5th Talk of the Nation, Waterboarding History

From: UC Berkley, War Crimes Studies Center


Note: I posted this incorrectly on Politcal Erections so reposting here in hopes of taking the other down.

Water torture as practiced by the kempeitai and water boarding are not quite the same thing...... The people who are water boarded live, as compared with a very respectable portion of the water torture for lunch bunch, who didn't make it. But, if that sells news papers, so be it.

[Western All Stars]

CIA members who've undergone water boarding as part of their training have lasted an average of 14 seconds before begging to be released.

Navy Seals can't hold their breaths for 14 seconds?

[Socratesabroad]

CIA members who've undergone water boarding as part of their training have lasted an average of 14 seconds before begging to be released.

Navy Seals can't hold their breaths for 14 seconds?

Umm, I'll take reading comprehension for 100, Alex.

CIA guys folded in 14 sec.; SEALs held out - presumably for longer - but eventually succumbed. Though I imagine a hit to the body or simply holding the boardee's nose would force him to eventually take a breath, thus allowing the technique to be successful.

[Kuuni]

Hmmm, I'm quite surprised that this is effective actually. Having trained for freediving for a while now, pushing yourself to the limits of blackout is painful but not unendurable - if I had classified information to withhold as incentive I'm sure I could hold my breath 'til blackout. Or maybe not with scary men shouting at me

[Iraira]

Hmmm, I'm quite surprised that this is effective actually. Having trained for freediving for a while now, pushing yourself to the limits of blackout is painful but not unendurable - if I had classified information to withhold as incentive I'm sure I could hold my breath 'til blackout. Or maybe not with scary men shouting at me

What about scary women shouting at you...that might be worse.

[Greji]

What about scary women shouting at you...that might be worse.

Oh, you're married too?

[Iraira]

Oh, you're married too?

Just to clarify things, in case any sexy female goats are lurking....I was married.

[ttjereth]

[Greji]

BTW, it's good that you show that hideous waterboard so everyone can view this horrible torture in use. Why can't they just use the good old tried and tested interrogation techniques, like burning bamboo under the fingernails before you rip out the fingernails, slow castration, or maybe that old favorite, skinning the suspect, one are and one leg at a time.

It is horrible that they should use such despicable practices as waterboarding! Why the jihadists will never use anything like that. Mainly because it makes the neck too soggy to cut cleanly. Also, there is the safety factor, as it provides a danger to their interrogators while they are applying the battery cables to the suspect's scrotum for a question and answer dialogue.

Waterboarding is heinous and barring the fact that we used to do that to each other as kids at the lake, it should not be practiced on other human beings, especially those given special media status and support.

[ttjereth]

BTW, it's good that you show that hideous waterboard so everyone can view this horrible torture in use. Why can't they just use the good old tried and tested interrogation techniques, like burning bamboo under the fingernails before you rip out the fingernails, slow castration, or maybe that old favorite, skinning the suspect, one are and one leg at a time.

It is horrible that they should use such despicable practices as waterboarding! Why the jihadists will never use anything like that. Mainly because it makes the neck too soggy to cut cleanly. Also, there is the safety factor, as it provides a danger to their interrogators while they are applying the battery cables to the suspect's scrotum for a question and answer dialogue.

Waterboarding is heinous and barring the fact that we used to do that to each other as kids at the lake, it should not be practiced on other human beings, especially those given special media status and support.

1. Whereas I would never say it is anywhere near the worst thing that can be done in torture nor that it (or worse things) shouldn't be used against proven terrorists/criminals if it could get information that might save other people in the future, a big part of the issue was the claim that waterboarding isn't torture, which is bullshit, it is. I'm not saying feel bad for the guys going through it, or even that we should stop, but but getting caught doing it and then playing "torture? why that's not torture. Bob, did you know water boarding is considered torture?" act is kind of ridiculous.

2. You must have had an interesting childhood.

[Greji]

2. You must have had an interesting childhood.

Water boarding came from kids games for "how long you can take it" type. They just refined it a bit for interrogation:p

Actually, it is used for training in the military in a lot of areas on Escape and Evasion courses.

Having said that, there is a big difference between playing as kids, or being in a training environment where you know they aren't going to hurt you, and being a terrorist, or supporter that has been inbred with the knowledge that the infidels mean to kill them.

Given the latter, water boarding is probably a pretty scarey trip to ahab....

[ttjereth]

Water boarding came from kids games for "how long you can take it" type. They just refined it a bit for interrogation:p

Actually, it is used for training in the military in a lot of areas on Escape and Evasion courses.

Having said that, there is a big difference between playing as kids, or being in a training environment where you know they aren't going to hurt you, and being a terrorist, or supporter that has been inbred with the knowledge that the infidels mean to kill them.

Given the latter, water boarding is probably a pretty scarey trip to ahab....

If it wasn't scarey it wouldn't be very effective for interogation.

Did you also go through the wonderful military tear gas training? I still love hearing those stories from family members despite the fact I've heard them a 100 times before.

It's especially funny because my family is multi-generational military respresenting all the different branches, so family gatherings generally tend to turn into little competitions where they all try to outdo each other with stories about how tough their branch of the military was or how tough it was in their time and all the horrible things they had to go through (like the above-mentioned tear gas training, which consisted of being shut in a shed and being gassed ).

[Greji]

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Did you also go through the wonderful military tear gas training?

Been there, done that and got the Tee Shirt!

It used to be required for everyone until someone screamed, "Oh, how barbaric" and the bureaucrats got afraid, that other than train people in the military about protecting themselves from gas warfare, it was more important to protect the bureaucrats from nasty comments.

It was simply tear gas and you were taken into a shed and the gas was released and you removed your gas mask put in on and hit for the exit. The advanced form did not have the masks and you had to work your way out the best you good.

It was really no biggie, but it did teach you not to panic every time somebody farted.
(The exception being a BB daikon fart for which no defense has been yet developed).

[j_taylor]

CS gas was great for clearing out my sinuses during spring.
Being stationed in Germany was murder on my allergies.

[Mike Oxlong]

US soldier charged with 'waterboarding' 4-year-old daughter

[Ketou]

US soldier charged with 'waterboarding' 4-year-old daughter

4 years old.....some people do not deserve children.....

[dimwit]

4 years old.....some people do not deserve children.....

Your looking at it the wrong way. I'm sure he got useful intel as a result.

[Adhesive]

US soldier charged with 'waterboarding' 4-year-old daughter

That's not waterboarding.

[Adhesive]

Never mind the above post. Why was the edit button taken away?

[Coligny]

I thought the biggest problem with waterboarding was that you basically make anybody say anything you want.

It's good if you want to justify something you already decided you wanted dearly...

If your purpose is to gather reliable intelligence... maybe not so great...

(Remember kids, in Paris, if you see a lightpole, you can be sure it's an agent from the RG in disguise...)

(RG: Renseignements generaux, intel branch of the police, separate from the intel/ops branch of the ministry of interior -former DST- or military... 'intelligence' and operation... -former DGSE-)
For some still un-understandable reason, the Raimbow Warrior was sunk by tourists from the DST... who are not supposed to do anything outside the french border...

[james]

Never mind the above post. Why was the edit button taken away?

no editing in 'beyond fucked'

edit: i stand corrected... maybe the length of time within which you can make edits had expired

[Mike Oxlong]

[Russell]

How America Came To Torture Its Prisoners

via Slate.com

All well for now. So, when will the trials start?

Or is this "just for our information"?

[IparryU]

boo hoo... torturing POWs... like that never happened on their side?

torturing your own people who go to jail for a petty crime is fucked, but war is hell. no need to make it PC.

CIA agents are supposed to get info out of people. black mail dont work on everyone.

[Coligny]

boo hoo... torturing POWs... like that never happened on their side?

torturing your own people who go to jail for a petty crime is fucked, but war is hell. no need to make it PC.

CIA agents are supposed to get info out of people. black mail dont work on everyone.

Yeah... but torture even less... That's the big part of the problem...

[Greji]

boo hoo... torturing POWs... like that never happened on their side?

torturing your own people who go to jail for a petty crime is fucked, but war is hell. no need to make it PC.

CIA agents are supposed to get info out of people. black mail dont work on everyone.

I was water boarded several times during advanced survival and POW training. It certainly ain't as enjoyable as a wank, but it damn sure ain't torture...

[IparryU]

I was water boarded several times during advanced survival and POW training. It certainly ain't as enjoyable as a wank, but it damn sure ain't torture...

going to 2chome and having nekkid chicks pour beer down your throat during an S&M show aint water boarding... that is just part of the entrance fee...