Japanese Cartoon "Insults Islam"

[Samurai_Jerk]

You might want to read that Wikipedia article as well. The crusader's actions were typical of Christian armies, not all armies.

Yeah, because I trust the scholarship on Wikipedia.

Anyway, thanks for ignoring the most important point. Regardless of what the Crusaders did in 1272, Muslims are choosing to be barbaric assholes in 2008. You can pull out some example of modern day Christian atrocities and cults like those polygamists in Texas that are truly fucked. But you show me one nation of Christian radicals that treats women the way Saudi Arabia does or that has the level of extremism, violence, and hate that Pakistan does. About the only thing that might come close is Hindu radicals in India.

And you know what? I'm willing to give places like Pakistan and Afghanistan that are largely undeveloped and dirt poor some leeway. But there is no excuse for Iran and the oil-rich Arab nations. They have the money and the level of education to be decent liberal democracies. Imagine the backlash you would have from the population in Saudi Arabia though if there was a king who was a reformer and tried to give women rights and let people enjoy a beer on a hot day.

[Catoneinutica]

Wow. You're scared shitless.. You're going to be ok. But could you give me some links so I can be too?

GJ

You say you need links. Are you saying that you've never heard of the "jihad" against Thai Buddhists in Southern Thailand, the "jihad" against Hindus in India (perhaps the greatest genocide in history over the last 1000 years), and the Theo van Gogh case?

There are words for people like you. I'll leave it at special.

-catone

-Google News is, like, all cool n' stuff, cuz u can input, like, words, and it will give all these awesome links n' stuff.

-Ian Buruma is, like, really awesome too, cuz he's, like written about Japan and the Theo van Gogh case too, n' stuff.

-Lemme know when one of those "Xtian Terrorist Organizations" decapitates a Buddhist. Or kills Andreas Serrano, the guy who did "Piss Christ." Can you imagine the life expectancy of someone who exhibited a "Piss Mohammad" at a major museum? Or the life expectancy of the museum?

[Catoneinutica]

When what happens? Murder in the name of Christianity? Are you joking? Repeating the same thing over and over and ignoring all the statements put before you doesn't make you right and on top of which it's obvious you have a problem with Muslims as a whole for whatever reason. Instead of lying the burden of proof on on the opposing side why don't you point out (with references mind you) some areas where the Koran orders the things you claim it does?

I'm betting because the only place you've ever seen them is out of context in a website or news article.

No, AS I WROTE, murder by a Christian of a Buddhist in Thailand or a Hindu in India, as well as murder of a "controversial" artist like Theo van Gogh who has offended Christian sensibilities.

Get back to me when one of those things happens. I'll be all ears.

[Catoneinutica]

I really think GayJean is akin to one of those closeted frat boys that are so common in the US. He writes about, and makes good videos of, hot J-chix.

But it gives the impression of being a kind of overcompensation, like closeted frat boys who brag about the top-drawer pussy they're always getting.

En réalité, he seems to have a hard-on for a religion that likes its women to be covered from head-to-do, is extremely gender-segregated, and under which homosexuality flourishes like a mofo (just ask any engrish teacher who's taught in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc.).

-catone

-not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you! Come out of the closet, GJ! We can have a great coming-out party for you.

[Big Booger]

All religion blows. Stop the insanity. And stop believing in 2000 year old fairy tales and horse shit philosophies and you'll be a happier person thus making the world safer.

How can a person in "2008" (what the fuck ever happened to the approx. 14 billion years previous?), believe in shit like men being sons of gods, and dying, being resurrected and then ascending to the "kingdom of heaven"?

Or that some poor ignorant fuck of a peasant orphaned nut job who spouted off all sorts of shit while being too ignorant to write down what he said... and then people take this shit as being real and believable...

I feel at peace knowing when I fucking die, that's all she wrote. There's no afterlife, no fucking virgins waiting to be fucked all over the place, or any shit like that.

My brain ceases to function, and the body rots, the bones eventually crumble and that's fucking it. I don't need a holy savior, or some other shaman-like shit to make me feel happier about what happens. I don't need fear to make me act decently or to read some fucking hypocritical book on how to live my life.

Why are most of the world's atheists so silent? Sure Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens are notables amongst others but why don't I hear more atheists talking about how damning religion is to society? I wish for the day that I can be walking about and hear a conversation sort of like this:

A) So what about those goddamn Christians?
B) No shit brother, crazy as a shit house rat. Jesus, goddamn sum' bitch dies, comes back to life then floats away... sounds like whoever witnessed that shit and then wrote about it 400 or so years later certainly embellished some shit otherwise LSD has been around for a lot longer than we expect... maybe those fucks got strung out on some bunk rye or some shit like that. Not to mention the fucking Crusades... how humble.
A) And those fucked up Muslims...
B) As fucked up as they come... Killing themselves in the name of jihad just to get a chance to fuck some virgins when they die despite the fact that while living those same virgins are all covered from head to fucking toe...
A) And those fucking Jewish rabbis sucking the cocks of infants after slicing off their foreskin...
B) No fucking way.. I don't believe you.
A) It's true dear atheist brother. In some sects of Judaism, they suck the cock skin right off the boy's pimply pecker after incising the pecker pouch. And several of the fucking tots die from infections due to the skankiness of the dirty rabbi doing the cock sucking.
B) ......
A) I could go on and on about Hindus who pray to cows because the fucking Hindu religion didn't want their flock eating the damn beasts in times of hardship because if they did it would destroy their livelihoods... Or so many other fucked up things that religion has done to our world. Or Buddhists who pray to emperors as gods and then support wars that kill hundreds of thousands....
B) But let's play the fucking devil's right hand dawg here and think about all the good religion has done, like charity work, helping the poor, containing the masses, and all that bull shit.
A) Aye brother, no doubt even the dirtiest dog has a clean spot, but you take all those acts of kindness and pit them against the evil, and you'll see how truly fucked up religion of any form really is.
B) Well I'll be damned.

[Samurai_Jerk]

BB, thanks for giving me one more reason to hate mankind. I never knew about cock sucking mohels. Fucking sick!

[Samurai_Jerk]

ttjereth, I have to go to work right now, but I'll be back tomorrow, and I'll explain to you why you're wrong. (I won't get home till 10pm).

You've got a bug up your butt about religion, that much is obvious. If you don't care, why do you put so much effort to refute?

BTW, you've not read the whole Koran. I've other verses to show you.

Also, those laws about killing in Deuteronomy only applied to those WITHIN Israel.

Biblical genocide, baby!

Joshua 6
1Now Jericho was straitly shut up because of the children of Israel: none went out, and none came in.

2And the LORD said unto Joshua, See, I have given into thine hand Jericho, and the king thereof, and the mighty men of valour.

3And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days.

4And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.

5And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout]And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.[/b]

[xenomorph42]

All religion blows. Stop the insanity. And stop believing in 2000 year old fairy tales and horse shit philosophies and you'll be a happier person thus making the world safer.

How can a person in "2008" (what the fuck ever happened to the approx. 14 billion years previous?), believe in shit like men being sons of gods, and dying, being resurrected and then ascending to the "kingdom of heaven"?

Or that some poor ignorant fuck of a peasant orphaned nut job who spouted off all sorts of shit while being too ignorant to write down what he said... and then people take this shit as being real and believable...

I feel at peace knowing when I fucking die, that's all she wrote. There's no afterlife, no fucking virgins waiting to be fucked all over the place, or any shit like that.

My brain ceases to function, and the body rots, the bones eventually crumble and that's fucking it. I don't need a holy savior, or some other shaman-like shit to make me feel happier about what happens. I don't need fear to make me act decently or to read some fucking hypocritical book on how to live my life.

Why are most of the world's atheists so silent? Sure Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens are notables amongst others but why don't I hear more atheists talking about how damning religion is to society? I wish for the day that I can be walking about and hear a conversation sort of like this:

A) So what about those goddamn Christians?
B) No shit brother, crazy as a shit house rat. Jesus, goddamn sum' bitch dies, comes back to life then floats away... sounds like whoever witnessed that shit and then wrote about it 400 or so years certainly embellished some shit otherwise LCD has been around for a lot longer than we expect... maybe those fucks got strung out on some bunk rye or some shit like that. Not to mention the fucking Crusades... how humble.
A) And those fucked up Muslims...
B) As fucked up as they come... Killing themselves in the name of jihad just to get a chance to fuck some virgins when they die despite the fact that while living those same virgins are all covered from head to fucking toe...
A) And those fucking Jewish rabbis sucking the cocks of infants after slicing off their foreskin...
B) No fucking way.. I don't believe you.
A) It's true dear atheist brother. In some sects of Judaism, they suck the cock skin right off the boy's pimply pecker after incising the pecker pouch. And several of the fucking tots die from infections due to the skankiness of the dirty rabbi doing the cock sucking.
B) ......
A) I could go on and on about Hindus who pray to cows because the fucking Hindu religion didn't want their flock eating the damn beasts in times of hardship because if they did it would destroy their livelihoods... Or so many other fucked up things that religion has done to our world. Or Buddhists who pray to emperors as gods and then support wars that kill hundreds of thousands....
B) But let's play the fucking devil's right hand dawg here and think about all the good religion has done, like charity work, helping the poor, containing the masses, and all that bull shit.
A) Aye brother, no doubt even the dirtiest dog as a clean spot, but you take all those acts of kindness and pit them against the evil, and you'll see how truly fucked up religion of any form really is.
B) Well I'll be damned.

You make a strong argument, but I think now you are generalizing people. You can't say that people will be happier if they give up on religion, maybe you might. If that were the case, we wouldn't have these shitty wars and killings. Yes, all religions have problems past, present and future and true many islamists are getting a little out of hand these past 6 years and are way out of control and whiny over every little action you do or say, produces a counter-reaction. But there are many good people that are faithful to religion and don't spew any ounce of hatred.
I'm just saying. there are people that think Atheists are cold, evil and as you said, "damned". So don't throw all religious people in one big pot and call it soup, bro'! Because some people might not believe in organized religion, but believe in an afterlife and there is nothing wrong with that, but you did not die yet, so there has never been a conformation as to what lies for us when we die, we just don't know for sure, you could be right or you could be totally wrong.that is all I'm saying. I personally don't believe in organized religion, but what waits for us on the other side, how the heck should I know or you for that matter! NEVER BEEN DEAD, NOR HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO ANYONE WHO DIED AND CAME BACK SUCCESSFULLY. When and if that should happen, that will be page one in the NY Times!

[Mike Oxlong]

I feel at peace knowing when I fucking die, that's all she wrote. There's no afterlife, no fucking virgins waiting to be fucked all over the place, or any shit like that.

Amen brother! Wonder how it's going in Paradise with all dem martyrs lining up to get their box of raisinettes?

[quote]This naturally leads to the most fascinating book ever written on the language of the Koran, and if proved to be correct in its main thesis, probably the most important book ever written on the Koran. Christoph Luxenberg's book, Die Syro-Aramaische Lesart des Koran, available only in German, came out just over a year ago, but has already had an enthusiastic reception, particularly among those scholars with a knowledge of several Semitic languages at Princeton, Yale, Berlin, Potsdam, Erlangen, Aix-en-Provence, and the Oriental Institute in Beirut.

Luxenberg tries to show that many obscurities of the Koran disappear if we read certain words as being Syriac and not Arabic. We cannot go into the technical details of his methodology but it allows Luxenberg, to the probable horror of all Muslim males dreaming of sexual bliss in the Muslim hereafter, to conjure away the wide-eyed houris promised to the faithful in suras XLIV.54]
http://www.islam-watch.org/IbnWarraq/Virgin_Paradise.htm

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They Ask Artists To Create Works
Including Animated Works
And Never Pay
They Ask Musicians To Create Music
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Some Even Mark Posts
As A Result
Unfortunately Inflammatory Statements Are Made
Unfortunately Inflammatory Art Is Made
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[traycerb]

there's no room for moderates or reason ("anymore" i was about to add, but probably it's always been this way since humans became verbal). everything is vitriol (catone, jack, etc) incapable of being tempered. moderates (eg ttjereth (btw i've liked your posts much more since i adblocked your avatar: too much ass + too much movement + too much shin chan = me teh crazy)) just get shouted down.

i only come here to indulge a japanophilia introduced ages ago by a good college friend, so this kind of intrusion always annoys me. it's too bad, b/c in other contexts, me, a muslim, with a much more lassiez-faire view on freedoms people should have (probably even by american standards) could even contribute a reasoned word or two.

instead i leave you with this:

[Samurai_Jerk]

there's no room for moderates or reason ("anymore" i was about to add, but probably it's always been this way since humans became verbal). everything is vitriol (catone, jack, etc) incapable of being tempered. moderates (eg ttjereth (btw i've liked your posts much more since i adblocked your avatar: too much ass + too much movement + too much shin chan = me teh crazy)) just get shouted down.

i only come here to indulge a japanophilia introduced ages ago by a good college friend, so this kind of intrusion always annoys me. it's too bad, b/c in other contexts, me, a muslim, with a much more lassiez-faire view on freedoms people should have (probably even by american standards) could even contribute a reasoned word or two.

instead i leave you with this:

Wow, you've added so much with that last post. That picture is very appropriate and original too.

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[kurohinge1]

There's been a few cheap shots at Christianity (again) so, to those who have a mind, I only ask that they use it.

Read the New Testament yourself. If you want to understand more, then read some commentaries and even the Old Testament to understand the context of certain things, which will add valuable insight.

Don't let others tell you what to think. Decide for yourself.

It saddens me to see people write that they've "read the Bible" yet in the very same breath show that they've not understood it.

No Christian is perfect, but it is not them that you should be looking at. The Church is like a hospital for sinners, not a catwalk for saints.

AO was right about things requiring context - especially from the Old Testament. But the famous "Sermon on the Mount" (amongst other parts of the New Testament) shows that Christians are told to "turn the other cheek" in their personal lives. Just because a radical group puts the word "Christian" in their name or purports to be so, does not make it so. So it is nonsense to say there's Christian terrorist groups, because by doing such acts they are clearly not Christians.

And some of the worst persecutors of Christians have been others purporting to be Christian. It wasn't until after the invention of the printing press in the 15th century that the average man could access the Word for themselves, and this represented a great threat to the "Church" at that time, as it had twisted the Word into something to serve it as an institution rather than God. For example, at that time, the "Church" was essentially dispensing "get out of jail free" cards for your dead relatives to go to heaven, in order to fund building projects. But not all within the Church were happy about this and knew that it was not what the Bible taught.

Some men have done amazing things, taking stands against corruption, and have been killed, so that you can read the Bible, in your language and in as close a translation as is possible to the original text. Others have done the hard work - you only have to open it.

Try researching Martin Luther (1483-1546), John Calvin (1509-1564), Thomas Cranmer (1489-1556) and William Tyndale (1494-1536). Tyndale laboured to produce the first English Bible for the common man, which was then outlawed and many burned on mass by . . . the "Church"! One famous quote of his to a corrupt clergyman was "If God spare my life I will cause a boy that driveth the plough to know more of the Scripture than thou dost." Before he was murdered by the "Church", he succeeded in that and his translation is still most of what you read today in the English versions.

You may not be a plough boy, but hundreds of years later you are at liberty to read the Word for yourself, if you can ignore those who would try and stop you, or try to convince you of what they say it says.

I wish you well.

[Mulboyne]

I think that's a fair plea for tolerance, kuro. I would only take issue with you here:

...Just because a radical group puts the word "Christian" in their name or purports to be so, does not make it so. So it is nonsense to say there's Christian terrorist groups, because by doing such acts they are clearly not Christians...

That's on your reading of scripture. Another's reading of scripture could lead them to say "It is nonsense to say there are Christian homosexuals, because by doing such acts they are clearly not Christians". Who determines how to apply the label? I'm sure there are many cut-throats in the Sicilian Mafia who believe they are Catholic and are accepted by their community as such.

The established religions have a mixed record on condemning violence over the years. They are as much political as religious institutions and so they regularly make compromises with power and for power.

[Big Booger]

If you want to argue over which fantasy pile of bile is better by all means argue till your head turns blue and falls off. But you are still arguing over a fantasy. All religion is a pile of shit made to make people feel bad, repent for bullshit, make peace with death, and look forward to an ever happy afterlife.

It's nonsense. When you start believing in spirits, holy or unholy without any scientific, observable proof whatsoever, you've already retarded yourself back to the level of an imaginative child.

When you allow yourself to be overcome with emotion because of a belief that has no bearing on nature or science, you're one step closer to the loony bin.



Religion only retards humans. Escape the confines of your religion and just enjoy your fucking life. You only have a tiny piss of time on this earth why in the hell waste it praying to shit that doesn't exist?

If there were a god or gods, why in the fuck would they give two shits about some pimply dicked humans living on a shit ass rock in the Milky Way Galaxy? Honestly, just imagine for a moment that you were god, would you really give a shit what goes on when you have a whole fucking universe at your command?

[hundefar]

Am I the only one who hates the poems in this thread?

[Jack]

Religion only retards humans. Escape the confines of your religion and just enjoy your fucking life. You only have a tiny piss of time on this earth why in the hell waste it praying to shit that doesn't exist?

Amen to that.

[alpha1983]

[Greji]

When you allow yourself to be overcome with emotion because of a belief that has no bearing on nature or science, you're one step closer to the loony bin.

Ahh come on Booger. You're just pissed because the church banned eating daikon before services. Why do you think the call them pews?

[Takechanpoo]

[Catoneinutica]

I think that's a fair plea for tolerance, kuro. I would only take issue with you here:

That's on your reading of scripture. Another's reading of scripture could lead them to say "It is nonsense to say there are Christian homosexuals, because by doing such acts they are clearly not Christians". Who determines how to apply the label? I'm sure there are many cut-throats in the Sicilian Mafia who believe they are Catholic and are accepted by their community as such.

The established religions have a mixed record on condemning violence over the years. They are as much political as religious institutions and so they regularly make compromises with power and for power.

But this is really just a strawman, isn't it. Whilst those throat-cutting Italian criminal gangs are doubtless guilty of many a transgression - including turning Naples into what is now quite literally a big garbage dump - I don't believe they're the reason airline security is so time-consuming and intrusive these days. (I'll certainly stand corrected if someone can point to a hijacking in which the hijacker screamed, "Mother Mary full of grace!" as he sent the plane to its doom.)

Absent from this thread thus far has been much of a discussion of the fact that the publisher - and the J-gov't - have made elaborate apologies for any offense caused, the manga has been suppressed, and another taboo is added to the seemingly endless list. Chalk one up for the neo-Victorians. I'd think that FGs like GJ would be concerned about this creeping threat to free speech and self expression (though his case may be more nuanced, as I facetiously noted above).

Anyway, when someone pushes a taboo in one's face, I think the correct response is: F*ck off! Hence, I'm posting this Steve Schultz classic:



http://www.hellodamage.com/tdr/archive/weird/inshallah.htm

[Samurai_Jerk]

Big shock. Now they're bitching about a video game and it's doesn't even have anything to do with the portrayal of muslims.

one Muslim group, which issued a complaint to the game's publisher Sony concerning one background music track. Performed by award-winning Malian musician Toumani Diabate, the song quotes two verses from the Qur'an.

How offensive!

[GuyJean]

.. Now they're bitching about a video game and it's doesn't even have anything to do with the portrayal of muslims..

Vin-vad vin-voo. Sony is the devil. ]Church of England: Sony Game is 'Sick'[/B]
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2007-06-10-church-england-sony_N.htm?csp=34

The Church of England accused Sony on Saturday of using an English cathedral as the backdrop to a violent computer game and said it should be withdrawn from shop shelves.
The church said Sony did not ask for permission to use Manchester cathedral and demanded an apology.

The popular new PlayStation 3 game, Resistance: Fall of Man, shows a virtual shootout between rival gunmen with hundreds of people killed inside the cathedral. Church officials described Sony's alleged use of the building as "sick" and sacrilegious.

A spokesman for the Church of England said a letter will be sent to Sony on Monday. If the church's request for an apology and withdrawal of the game is not met, the church will consider legal action, the spokesman said..

GJ

[Buraku]

You don't have a bleeding heart for Islam do you GuyJean? I'll be one of the first to admit there are a lot, a heck of a lot of Christians who act completely retarded but it seems whenever somebody points to one of the islams doing something radically funky you sudden go on auto response and start bashing the jew and christian stuff. Maybe one of your kinfolk converted to the religion of peace ™ and now you also happen to be a staunch defend of the faith

[GuyJean]

The mirror hurts, don't it?

I'll post what I wrote in another Muslim hating thread:

.. I brought up the Bible because it's the only 'religious' book I've fully read, and Chrisianity the only religion I've 'practiced'.. AO, who is Christian, accused Islam of being a religion of 'hate'.. when a little research would prove that Islam, although seems to, does not have a monopoly on hating:

http://kkkk.net/home.htm
http://www.godhatesfags.com/

I think religion is kind of messed up anyway, but extreme religion is totally fucked. I'm always confused when 'moderate' people say things based solely on the extremes.. It seems to cause the moderates in different religions to move further away from one another.. Essentially becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.. - http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14621

GJ

[kurohinge1]

. . . Church of England: Sony Game is 'Sick' . . .

Back then, Sony . . . offered an apology to the CoE [but] refused to do anything to the game or accept any connection between the city's violent crime and its game. And as a result, sales of Resistance actually went up AND Manchester Cathedral benefited from more visitors going to see what the fuss was about . . . more

God works in mysterious ways.

[GuyJean]

[quote="kurohinge1"]God works in mysterious ways.

]She does.

I hadn't actually read this whole thread.. It's interesting so many threads started to demonstrate how fucked up Islam is, end up being perceived as slandering Christians..

How many 'Christianity is fucked up because ______' threads do we have on FG?

GJ

[Buraku]

I cannot really give an opinion on religion or sanskirts unanswerable questions or talmud scholarships, or the four fucking noble truths of karma or whatever spiritual junk people swallow. I've read some from almost them all
and they all done nothing for me so it matters little to me if somebody takes all these books and flush them down the toilet. Yet again in defense of islam rather than argue the logical merits of such a religion (if it did have anything positive to offer) you bring up something completely retarded from the christian club, godhatesfags.com and the kkk to counter against those who say islam is fucked up

does the mirror hurt?
not to one who is agnostic, there ain't no fucking mirror
I'm about as religious as a brick, ok maybe a brick is the wrong choice of word since their possible is a religion out there which worships bricks and stones

islam, christianity, buddism, shinto etc it's all a bunch of you know what
but islam still takes the biscuit for being completely retarded and intolerant
and it ain't just a small mentally challenged periphery group like godhatesfags because intolerance is almost widespread throughout the world of islam
does anyone remember the orgy of looting, and burnings and rape and beheadings that took place after a rumor, a mere fucking rumor that somebody in the CIA flushed the Quran down the toilet...

almost every fucking one of them went nuts

All I've wondered was why whenever somebody criticizes the islamics you and certain defenders of the faith suddenly see it as a green-light to start bashing the jew or christian in some kind of auto response
Truly, Islam is the Religion of Peace (tm), or at least today's Islamic leaders are as equally as tolerant and peaceful as everyone else and anyone that tells you different is either a raging Christian fundamentalist racist (known for their hijack attacks and 911 inside jobs all over the world, second only to the infamous Buddhist suicide bombers), or they possibly are an Israeli criminal or George Bush, Adolf Hitler, or Pim Fortyun(oops never mind).
>> This is coming from a person who really doesn't give a fuck about Judasim or Christianity, thinks GW Bush is pathetic and dislikes his evangelical supporters immensely.

[GuyJean]

I have Muslim friends; they didn't rape and burn after the Koran was flushed.. Are you sure 'every fucking one of them' did?

As I mentioned in previous post, 'religion' driven by fear and ignorance is ugly. Defining an entire religion by it's extremists spreads the ugliness.. So keep up the great work!

GJ