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Postby 2triky » Wed May 06, 2009 2:32 pm

Japan reports record-low number of children under 15 years old

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Tokyo - Japan on Monday reported a record-low number of children aged under 15 as of April 1. The government released the report ahead of the Children's Day national holiday on Tuesday, which showed that there are 17.14 million children under the age of 15 in Japan.

The number has declined for 28 years as Japan experiences declining birthrates.

Children make up 13.4 per cent of the nation's population, while the ratio of people aged 65 and up was 22.5 per cent, according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications.

Japan's population ratio of children was the lowest among the 31 countries listed in the United Nations demographic yearbook as having a population of at least 30 million.

Japan fell behind Germany with a 13.9-per-cent of its population under the age 15, and Italy with 14.1 per cent.
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Postby Behan » Wed May 06, 2009 2:37 pm

These kids, few they are, are gonna have a huge tax burden when they grow up.
In the last ten years or so funeral parlors have been springing up all over the place.
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Postby 2triky » Wed May 06, 2009 2:46 pm

Behan wrote:These kids, few they are, are gonna have a huge tax burden when they grow up.
In the last ten years or so funeral parlors have been springing up all over the place.


Yes, the problem has been widely discussed for sometime...the increasing number of elderly Japanese coupled with the nation's dwindling birthrate. That's why we occasionally read about the seemingly fanciful stories about robotic caregivers or what have you.

Seems like if things don't change, Japan will have no choice but to accept foreign workers to help care for the elderly...I'm not saying when this will happen but that it is a real possibility.
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Postby kurohinge1 » Wed May 06, 2009 3:02 pm

2triky wrote:
. . . Japan on Monday reported a record-low number of children aged under 15 as of April 1.

. . . Japan fell behind Germany with a 13.9-per-cent of its population under the age 15, and Italy with 14.1 per cent.


I knew it was a good idea to invest in kids a few years back.

Now I'd better find out from my broker when the best time to sell is.

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Postby 2triky » Wed May 06, 2009 3:04 pm

[quote="kurohinge1"]I knew it was a good idea to invest in kids a few years back.

Now I'd better find out from my broker when the best time to sell is.

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Hehe. With that knowledge in mind, I imagine you'd be able to parlay that information for significant financial gain.
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Postby BO-SENSEI » Wed May 06, 2009 5:31 pm

I think the problem is that too many people live in small apartments in the cities where they can't have kids and can't afford to live in a bigger apartment or let alone buy a house. Those that can afford such things move into the countryside, I see very nice houses being built all over the place in my neighborhood and at the local mall you can't walk more than ten feet without running over a kid, or seeing a pregnant woman. I think if the Japanese really wanted to make an effort to have more children that it should make it more feasible for families to have kids, such as cheaper larger apartments with access to decent paying jobs but this task seems too much to ask for and the country seems to have no problem with the current trend of 20-30 year olds cramming themselves into tiny apartments in the cities working jobs that only pay well enough for the basic essentials.
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Postby CrankyBastard » Wed May 06, 2009 7:44 pm

BO-SENSEI wrote:I think the problem is that too many people live in small apartments in the cities where they can't have kids and can't afford to live in a bigger apartment or let alone buy a house. Those that can afford such things move into the countryside, I see very nice houses being built all over the place in my neighborhood and at the local mall you can't walk more than ten feet without running over a kid, or seeing a pregnant woman. I think if the Japanese really wanted to make an effort to have more children that it should make it more feasible for families to have kids, such as cheaper larger apartments with access to decent paying jobs but this task seems too much to ask for and the country seems to have no problem with the current trend of 20-30 year olds cramming themselves into tiny apartments in the cities working jobs that only pay well enough for the basic essentials.


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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Thu May 07, 2009 1:08 am

BO-SENSEI wrote:I think the problem is that too many people live in small apartments in the cities where they can't have kids and can't afford to live in a bigger apartment or let alone buy a house. Those that can afford such things move into the countryside, I see very nice houses being built all over the place in my neighborhood and at the local mall you can't walk more than ten feet without running over a kid, or seeing a pregnant woman. I think if the Japanese really wanted to make an effort to have more children that it should make it more feasible for families to have kids, such as cheaper larger apartments with access to decent paying jobs but this task seems too much to ask for and the country seems to have no problem with the current trend of 20-30 year olds cramming themselves into tiny apartments in the cities working jobs that only pay well enough for the basic essentials.


Bullshit. Your vision of Japan really only applies to central Tokyo. A salary man and an OL who get married make enough money to rent a decent sized place in the suburbs and raise a kid or two. Those who don't are choosing not to for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with the ability to raise a family.
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Postby Midwinter » Thu May 07, 2009 4:01 am

2triky wrote:Seems like if things don't change, Japan will have no choice but to accept foreign workers to help care for the elderly...I'm not saying when this will happen but that it is a real possibility.


And I sincerly hope Take's future Phillipino nurse forgets to change his diapers or dress his bed sores. :D
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Postby 2triky » Thu May 07, 2009 4:09 am

Midwinter wrote:And I sincerly hope Take's future Phillipino nurse forgets to change his diapers or dress his bed sores. :D


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Postby alicia454 » Thu May 07, 2009 7:46 am

At what point will the population of native Japanese youth needs to drop below, before the racists in the government be willing to accept non-native immigrants who put the effort to fully assimilate into Japanese society and become fluent in Japanese, as equals?

The government is making harder and harder for decent, legitimate immigrants with fingerprinting, bio-metric RFID gaijin ID cards, lack of anti-discrimination protection, police harassment, etc.). But the government fails to offer any reward/incentive for those that overcome those difficulties and put the effect to fit it.
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Postby omae mona » Thu May 07, 2009 11:36 am

alicia454 wrote:The government is making harder and harder for decent, legitimate immigrants with fingerprinting, bio-metric RFID gaijin ID cards, lack of anti-discrimination protection, police harassment, etc.). But the government fails to offer any reward/incentive for those that overcome those difficulties and put the effect to fit it.


Alicia, you come from a rich country that is more or less on par with Japan economically, particularly in terms of wages. However, the majority of immigrants here are not like you. They have a huge reward: income levels higher than they can earn back home. I think that is quite enough for them to put up with the aggravation. In case you were curious why people stay.

Personally, while I think the government policies you mention are quite irritating, I don't think for a second that they have any meaningful impact on immigration numbers. While a small number of of us not here for economic reasons may complain on the internet, few of us act on those gripes. More importantly, the vast majority of immigrants just don't care. What keeps immigration numbers low is the low number of visas the government issues, as well as the low number of jobs available to foreigners.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Thu May 07, 2009 11:52 am

omae mona wrote:Alicia, you come from a rich country that is more or less on par with Japan economically, particularly in terms of wages. However, the majority of immigrants here are not like you. They have a huge reward: income levels higher than they can earn back home. I think that is quite enough for them to put up with the aggravation. In case you were curious why people stay.

Personally, while I think the government policies you mention are quite irritating, I don't think for a second that they have any meaningful impact on immigration numbers. While a small number of of us not here for economic reasons may complain on the internet, few of us act on those gripes. More importantly, the vast majority of immigrants just don't care. What keeps immigration numbers low is the low number of visas the government issues, as well as the low number of jobs available to foreigners.


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Postby BO-SENSEI » Thu May 07, 2009 1:13 pm

I am not really sure where I am going, I just hope that when I get there, I can sit down because I am sure my feet will be tired.
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Postby Takechanpoo » Thu May 07, 2009 1:56 pm

I personally think that Caucasian gaijin females only need to be in love with Japanese guy to allow them to give a permanent residency. But not only Caucasian gaijin guys but also the whole gaijin guys need to get JLPT 1st, deeply understand Japanese ethos and constantly have reserved neat attitude toward Japanese to allow them to get a permanent. Because foreign dudes who commit crimes and disturb public order are always male ones.
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Postby Iraira » Thu May 07, 2009 3:30 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:I personally think that Caucasian gaijin females only need to be in love with Japanese guy to allow them to give a permanent residency. But not only Caucasian gaijin guys but also the whole gaijin guys need to get JLPT 1st, deeply understand Japanese ethos and constantly have reserved neat attitude toward Japanese to allow them to get a permanent. Because foreign dudes who commit crimes and disturb public order are always male ones.


Whereas both Japanese males and females who deeply understand Japanese ethos have evolved to equally share the responsibility of committing felonies in Japan. Congrats.
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Postby CrankyBastard » Thu May 07, 2009 3:33 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:I personally think that Caucasian gaijin females only need to be in love with Japanese guy to allow them to give a permanent residency. But not only Caucasian gaijin guys but also the whole gaijin guys need to get JLPT 1st, [color="Red"]deeply understand Japanese ethos[/color] and constantly have reserved neat attitude toward Japanese to allow them to get a permanent. Because foreign dudes who commit crimes and disturb public order are always male ones.



Been searching for this so called Japanese ethos.
So I figured a good place to look might be at the world's largest single Internet bulletin board forum and the most widely known single free access Japanese Internet forum, with over five million people accessing it each month.
Yes, that bastion of internet pandemonium otherwise known as 2chan.
Risqué or taboo subjects that are usually not discussed in normal face-to-face communication in Takechanpoo's Japan are popular topics in 2chn. Another characteristic of the forum is the frequency of direct confrontation among users, in a culture where verbal conflict is considered antisocial and is characteristically avoided in face-to-face communication
Looking for a center to vent hatred and discrimination towards others?,2chn is the place to find it. The free access and anonymity of the users shelters the identities of those who post entries; as a consequence, the content often appears to reflect some of the worst examples of human communication behavior.
No wonder it's so popular.
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Postby Greji » Thu May 07, 2009 5:16 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:I personally think that Caucasian gaijin females only need to be in love with Japanese guy to allow them to give a permanent residency. But not only Caucasian gaijin guys but also the whole gaijin guys need to get JLPT 1st, deeply understand Japanese ethos and constantly have reserved neat attitude toward Japanese to allow them to get a permanent. Because foreign dudes who commit crimes and disturb public order are always male ones.


Japanese ethos? Are you saying your flopper is a sample of Japanese ethos? It seems only to be tuned to blue eyed caucasian females. Don't you need to adjust your settings a bit to get a Japanese reading on the ethos chart?
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Thu May 07, 2009 5:34 pm

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Postby Yokohammer » Thu May 07, 2009 6:16 pm

One thing that might contribute to an increased birthrate is ... ready for it ... hope for the future!

When you consider the kind of world your kids are going to be born into, and where it seems to be headed, I can understand why people might decide to refrain.

Although there are plenty of selfish motives for having children, I really want to believe that a significant percentage of potential parents sincerely want the best for their offspring. Right now the prospects seem less than promising, and that may be a factor in people's parenting choices.

Just a wild guess, but it might be at least a small part of it, no?

Of course it could also be said that not having kids, when one is capable of doing so, is more selfish than having them in the current circumstances.

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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Thu May 07, 2009 6:20 pm

Yokohammer wrote:Although there are plenty of selfish motives for having children


There are only selfish reasons for having children.
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Postby Yokohammer » Thu May 07, 2009 6:39 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:There are only selfish reasons for having children.


Interesting point, and I'm tempted to agree, but there has to be at least a few parents out there who have had children because they believed it would help support their country or bolster the economy or something.

I'm not going to defend that thesis with much enthusiasm though ... the selfish motives are pretty overwhelming ... but it can't be *all* selfish. Or has procreation of the species actually become a futile pursuit?

That's a pretty scary thought.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Thu May 07, 2009 7:07 pm

Yokohammer wrote:Interesting point, and I'm tempted to agree, but there has to be at least a few parents out there who have had children because they believed it would help support their country or bolster the economy or something.

I'm not going to defend that thesis with much enthusiasm though ... the selfish motives are pretty overwhelming ... but it can't be *all* selfish. Or has procreation of the species actually become a futile pursuit?

That's a pretty scary thought.


Helping your country means helping yourself and is ultimately selfish.

I guess there are cases in certain traditional societies where women are forced to bear children regardless of how they feel, so that wouldn't be a selfish act by them but it certainly would be by the father.
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Postby CrankyBastard » Thu May 07, 2009 7:08 pm

None of the above.
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Postby Yokohammer » Thu May 07, 2009 7:14 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Helping your country means helping yourself and is ultimately selfish.


I was actually thinking in terms of helping your country in the future, possibly after your own demise, but I guess even in that case there's a certain selfishness involved.

We're on the verge of determining that living is ultimately a selfish act, you know.
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Postby Yokohammer » Thu May 07, 2009 7:23 pm

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Postby Behan » Thu May 07, 2009 7:54 pm

CrankyBastard wrote:None of the above.
The only scary bit is when she says Cranky knocked her up.


Please share some of your stories.:p
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Postby Iraira » Thu May 07, 2009 9:34 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:There are only selfish reasons for having children.


Must pass on my genes to the next generation, lest I die with no heirs and must leave all my money to the Hare Krishnas.

And I think I've soapboxed before on how males are essentially parasites, forcing women to develop wombs & meiosis, diluting their contribution to the next generation by 50%, so we can seed their wombs with our DNA. Sure, recombination helps maintain enormous genetic variation, but just suck on some rocks around Chernobyl and you'll make plenty of novel mutations. Sure most will be deleterious, but y' never know.
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Postby kurohinge1 » Thu May 07, 2009 10:12 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
There are only selfish reasons for having children.


Can't see that. If you said "there are only selfish reasons for not having children", it would be closer to the truth.

It wasn't until I had kids that I fully appreciated my own parents' efforts in raising me & my siblings.

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Postby 2triky » Mon May 11, 2009 4:10 am

Having children is fun, not a duty: Japan minister

Fri May 8, 2009

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TOKYO (Reuters) - Having children is not a duty, but should be seen as fun, Japan's minister in charge of tackling the dwindling birth rate said on Friday, a day after Prime Minister Taro Aso said he had "done his duty" by raising two children.

Aso withdrew his comments, but Yuko Obuchi, the first cabinet minister to be pregnant in office, was quizzed about them after a news conference in Tokyo.

"It's absolutely not a question of national duty. It's a free decision," she told reporters.

Obuchi, the mother of a one-year-old boy, heads the government's campaign to solve one of its thorniest problems -- people's unwillingness to reproduce.

A government report issued last week estimated the number of people aged under 15 had fallen for the 28th consecutive year to 17.14 million, only 13.4 percent of the total population.

Combined with the growing number of elderly -- those aged over 65 make up 22.5 percent of the population -- the dearth of babies means Japan will face trouble paying off its vast debts and funding ballooning health care and pension needs.

"We tend to hear a lot of stories about how tough it is, but we have to get the message across that bringing up children is something that's full of fun and joy," Obuchi, 35, said.

Nine years ago, Obuchi won the parliamentary seat that had belonged to her father, former prime minister Keizo Obuchi, who died after suffering a stroke while in office. Last year she became the country's youngest post-war cabinet minister.

She says a more comprehensive plan is needed if Japan is to resolve an issue that has dogged it for decades. Tackling fundamental issues like lack of job security among young people will enable them to settle down and have families, she said.

Obuchi says she wants an extra 3 trillion yen ($30.18 billion) in funding to pay for services like free pre-school education and improved daycare services, which could be funded by adding 1 percent to consumption tax.

If current population trends continue, the workforce will shrink and domestic demand will fall, cutting potential economic growth by 0.5 percent by 2030, according to a report issued in February by the business lobby Keidanren.
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