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Dalian Offers Japanese A Prosperity Plan

Postby Mulboyne » Sun May 31, 2009 10:01 pm

[floatr]Image[/floatr]LAT: Chinese city of Dalian woos former Japanese colonizers to return
Looking back, Japanese businessman Tomatsu Ito says, he might as well have moved to Mars rather than a few hours' flight away to China. Unlike in his publicly polite homeland, drivers in Dalian were chaotic, often careening through crowded crosswalks. Worse, he couldn't muster even the most basic Chinese. Often desperate, he would phone JianHua Yang, his second in charge at the branch office of an Osaka, Japan-based software company. Yang is a Dalian native who, like many here, speaks Japanese. "I'd call him out of nowhere," Ito recalled. "I'd say, 'I'm lost again. I have no idea how to get home.' " Their budding bicultural friendship symbolizes a trend here: Ito is among thousands of Japanese flocking to this bustling port on China's eastern seaboard. Resentment still runs deep in China over Japan's 40 years of often brutal colonial rule in this region in the early 1900s, but Dalian has become a singularly welcoming oasis. Seeking to establish a regional high-tech hub, Dalian officials are courting Japanese investors, offering tax breaks and talking up the city's weather, infrastructure, friendliness and proximity to Japan...Yet Dalian remains conflicted. Although Japanese business provides jobs and development capital, many of Dalian's 6 million residents still carry the scars of a war with Japan's Imperial Army...Sitting on the stoop of her Nanshan apartment building, Li Pingwei said the Japanese revival has been good for her family's jade business. She even has learned to speak the language. But she's bitter. "The Japanese were so cruel to the Chinese," she said. "They may be creating jobs in Dalian, but I will hate them forever"...more...
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Postby Coligny » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:34 pm

Mulboyne wrote: Unlike in his publicly polite homeland, drivers in Dalian were chaotic, often careening through crowded crosswalks.


OK BULLSHIT DETECTORS GOING THROUGH THE ROOF...

Japan is for now the only country where replacing drivers with rabid monkeys would improve traffic safety. It's not drivers they got here it's psychopath on killing spree. I'm close to the point where Death-Race style tuning would make sense. Tailgate, fishtail, high beams used on city streets. Ignored red lights. Speed limit +40 kph at least. Japanese roads are worse than a zoo, bosozoku, black van crowd, dumptruck tuning, car with closed curtains on nearly all windows, spoilers and wings wider than a train, I never saw a fracking japanese driver stop to let another car turn out of the road. and he complains about China. FUCK HIM, FUCK HIM DEEP.
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Postby FG Lurker » Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:40 pm

Coligny wrote:Japan is for now the only country where replacing drivers with rabid monkeys would improve traffic safety.

I drove Osaka rush hour twice a day for 5 years and currently drive several times a week through the city. I cycled through Osaka rush hour twice daily for 5+ years before I bought a car.

Weekend driving here is far worse than weekday driving but even the weekends are far better than other places I have seen in Asia (try driving in Seoul!), and incomparable to places like Cypress where I haven't driven personally but have heard about in detail from those who have.

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Postby tidbits » Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:48 pm

Coligny wrote:OK BULLSHIT DETECTORS GOING THROUGH THE ROOF...
...Ignored red lights. Speed limit +40 kph at least. Japanese roads are worse than a zoo, bosozoku, black van crowd, dumptruck tuning, car with closed curtains on nearly all windows, spoilers and wings wider than a train, I never saw a fracking japanese driver stop to let another car turn out of the road. ....


Are you in Nagoya?
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Postby BigInJapan » Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:15 pm

Mulboyne wrote: "The Japanese were so cruel to the Chinese," she said. "They may be creating jobs in Dalian, but I will hate them forever."

With sentiment like that, it's a wonder any business occurs at all.

Mulboyne wrote:"The troubled history between Japan and China is not that remote, but it is in the past," he said. "The new generation seems to have put this behind them. They want to move on."

Then again, things do seem to be changing. I've actually met a few young students from Dalian here, no doubt honing up on Japanese to do work like this:

Mulboyne wrote:Others staff new business call centers where multilingual Chinese workers serve the needs of customers in Tokyo and other cities across Japan.

I've had experience with outsourced tech support (Dell's JPN PC branch) in Japanese from various folks with Chinese names so it definitely is happening.
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Postby Mike Oxlong » Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:51 pm

A day's driving in Okinawa would convince you you'd been teleported to one of the shittier areas in Taiwan...
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Postby Coligny » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:32 pm

tinateoh wrote:Are you in Nagoya?



I read you... and think... "aww... shit... so that's a part of the local folklore".

These days it's mainly Toyohashi, but yeah, before it wuz Nagoya.

The city were our neighbourgs though we were part time workers because the (now dead and buried) Audi was already 3 years old...

The daily commute in Toyohashi is nearly as bad. I took the reflex to always lift the throttle when a car is on my right, because 90% of the time it's an asshole who sought that doing the speed limit was an insult to his M4d Dr1v1nG Sk33ls and who switch from tailgaiting to cutting in front. More often from old fart in their keitruck than from ricers.

So if you see a blue Nissan Note with 2 white stripes on the side of the hood and ridiculous roofbars (hey you never know if you will need to buy a new fridge or a sofa) doing the speed limit... that would be me...

It's really different from what I saw in VietNam or Korea. Where there is a lot of messy traffic, but no ill will from the drivers.
Here it seems they try to be the biggest assholes possible without scratching the paint of their "ohhh so precious cars".
(Being from Paris, the city where a car frame get 1 bump and 2 scratches per week this fetishism is also kinda strange, on the good side I have yet to use the duct tape that sit per family tradition in the trunk of every car that I might drive -yes I do try to color-match them-)
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Postby sirwanksalot » Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:57 pm

Yeah Toyohashi was my old stomping ground and I found the locals to be rather eccentric in their driving mannerisms at best. That's the best P.C. response I could muster up. My yearly post on FG... OVer and out.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:04 pm

Coligny wrote:OK BULLSHIT DETECTORS GOING THROUGH THE ROOF...

Japan is for now the only country where replacing drivers with rabid monkeys would improve traffic safety. It's not drivers they got here it's psychopath on killing spree. I'm close to the point where Death-Race style tuning would make sense. Tailgate, fishtail, high beams used on city streets. Ignored red lights. Speed limit +40 kph at least. Japanese roads are worse than a zoo, bosozoku, black van crowd, dumptruck tuning, car with closed curtains on nearly all windows, spoilers and wings wider than a train, I never saw a fracking japanese driver stop to let another car turn out of the road. and he complains about China. FUCK HIM, FUCK HIM DEEP.


I'm going to have to agree with FGL and call bullshit on your bullshit detector. Spend some time in Rio de Janeiro, Seoul, Hong Kong, or Bangkok and tell me drivers here are bad.
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Postby Coligny » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:01 pm

sirwanksalot wrote:Yeah Toyohashi was my old stomping ground and I found the locals to be rather eccentric in their driving mannerisms at best. That's the best P.C. response I could muster up. My yearly post on FG... OVer and out.


But on a side note i'm nearly sure that dadinlaw can do better than 7'20 for a lap on the Nurburgring with his Prius...
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Postby Greji » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:02 pm

Coligny wrote:I read you... and think... "aww... shit... so that's a part of the local folklore".

These days it's mainly Toyohashi, but yeah, before it wuz Nagoya.

The city were our neighbourgs though we were part time workers because the (now dead and buried) Audi was already 3 years old...

The daily commute in Toyohashi is nearly as bad. I took the reflex to always lift the throttle when a car is on my right, because 90% of the time it's an asshole who sought that doing the speed limit was an insult to his M4d Dr1v1nG Sk33ls and who switch from tailgaiting to cutting in front. More often from old fart in their keitruck than from ricers.

So if you see a blue Nissan Note with 2 white stripes on the side of the hood and ridiculous roofbars (hey you never know if you will need to buy a new fridge or a sofa) doing the speed limit... that would be me...

It's really different from what I saw in VietNam or Korea. Where there is a lot of messy traffic, but no ill will from the drivers.
Here it seems they try to be the biggest assholes possible without scratching the paint of their "ohhh so precious cars".
(Being from Paris, the city where a car frame get 1 bump and 2 scratches per week this fetishism is also kinda strange, on the good side I have yet to use the duct tape that sit per family tradition in the trunk of every car that I might drive -yes I do try to color-match them-)

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Postby Behan » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:01 pm

I have only lived in the US and Japan, but there are a lot of careless, thoughtless, psychotic drivers here. It's frightening riding a bicycle on some roads.
People tailgate right up your behind and even when you try to leave a safe distance between the car in front of you someone will try to squeeze in.
I just don't get why people drive like bats out of hell just to get up to the next red light or traffic jam or risk their lives and yours to just pass one car.
It seems like a lot of police checks (around here anyway) tend to just focus on one thing, like not wearing seatbelts or failure to come to a complete stop at a stop sign. They just ignore the psychotic drivers, bosozoku, and black vans.
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Postby Coligny » Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:38 pm

Behan wrote:I have only lived in the US and Japan, but there are a lot of careless, thoughtless, psychotic drivers here. It's frightening riding a bicycle on some roads.
People tailgate right up your behind and even when you try to leave a safe distance between the car in front of you someone will try to squeeze in.
I just don't get why people drive like bats out of hell just to get up to the next red light or traffic jam or risk their lives and yours to just pass one car.
It seems like a lot of police checks (around here anyway) tend to just focus on one thing, like not wearing seatbelts or failure to come to a complete stop at a stop sign. They just ignore the psychotic drivers, bosozoku, and black vans.


Or the guy behind that accelerate when you put your signal to switch inside his lane. They don't know how badly I don't give a crap about my rear bumper...

And as usual, it's the BMW drivers that are the worse... just had one stopping in the middle of a 2 way road expecting me to pull back while the road was wide enought for 2 trucks 2 squeeze without loosing bodyworks, went nearly bumper to bumper -yeah I don't give a frack about the front bumper either- the guy lost his yak style poseur attitude (you know, the 50' something greasy black hair dudes with sunglasses like in local 70' cop tv shows) and nearly shat his pant before finally agreeing to drive on his left side of the road. Week end drivers I suppose.
During the week, this road is only dwelled by old ladies in theirs gigantic totoya crowns or milfs in their Audi Avant. Everyone get stuck or slow at one time or another but there is never any drama, everything stay cordial with smiles.
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