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NYT Says More Girls Want To be Hostesses

Postby Mulboyne » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:11 am

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Postby BO-SENSEI » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:10 am

I am not really sure where I am going, I just hope that when I get there, I can sit down because I am sure my feet will be tired.
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Postby Greji » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:12 am

BO-SENSEI wrote:And to some guys, they are money-grubbing whores while other guys see them as the only source of interaction with the opposite sex and are willing to pay big bucks for their time. Sad, just sad.


Yup, but ain't it great. I go through hostesses about as fast as I go through shirts and love every second of it!



Well said, a hostess job, I assume, lasts between the girl is 20 to early 30s, after that what else could she do? Get married? Would marrying a retired hostess girl appeal to you?


Where that probably does not appeal to you Bo-chan, most do get married and/or find a patron. Those who are then sponsored, will open their own place on their patron's tab and the system perpetuates. There's all level of hostesses from the late 20's to late 40's and with the right clothes and make-up, you won't notice the difference at night (count a couple of beers in there as well). Those at that level who mind their money, begin to appear in all parts of society among the rich and since marriage isn't that uncommon, you might want to be careful about down playing those types in front of Japanese, because you never know who might have been a hostess in this society.

If one hasn't been around that Ginza-type level of society, one can't even attempt to evaluate it. That's what is wrong about most of the so-called informative articles. The guys, or even gals, who write these articles have never had the money or the necessary introductions to get into those upper reaches of that type of mizu-shobai and as such, have no idea what they are writing about. 99% are written based on the interview of someone else, or that ' "so and so" took me to the most exclusive of all ginza clubs and.....'


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Postby klimmer » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:38 am

BO-SENSEI wrote:And to some guys, they are money-grubbing whores while other guys see them as the only source of interaction with the opposite sex and are willing to pay big bucks for their time. Sad, just sad.


I have been to a number of hostess clubs and bars. There are many kinds of clubs, and as many reasons why ladies work there. You shouldn't pass a blanket judgment just because you don't approve. Hostess clubs are merely what became of the geisha practice and it's mainly for businessmen entertaining their clients.

I know of many OL's and office workers who moonlight. Some of these ladies are very wealthy & successful career women today, and they did it on their own steam. If women had the same work opportunities as their male counterparts, I am quite sure the number ladies moonlighting would be reduced.

And of course they are there working for money. You don't actually think that they're there because they enjoy drinking whisky neat with some guy two times their age?
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Postby Kanchou » Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:00 pm

If the economic downturn continues like this, hostesses are going to end up turning tricks just to keep the ojisans coming in at all. And probably at cut rate for that much.

I mean, I can't imagine even the most wasteful J-bureaucrat/CEO would be able to waste $10,000 a month on hostesses at this rate.
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Postby Coligny » Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:15 pm

Greji wrote:Yup, but ain't it great. I go through hostesses about as fast as I go through shirts and love every second of it!


I'd like to use that line... but being french... the t-shirt part my sell me off...

And I love too much moving my furniture in the evening to think aboot going out...
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Postby Greji » Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:27 pm

Kanchou wrote:If the economic downturn continues like this, hostesses are going to end up turning tricks just to keep the ojisans coming in at all.


Ahhh, when did they stop turning 'em? I mean it was always a given that maybe not the very first time, but a good high paying customer could always reasonable expect a piece of peehole pie for dessert if he played his cards right. Some shimei's who might have other plans for the eve, have even been know to arrange the extra course for a good payer...

Hey, it's all in a days work....
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Postby hundefar » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:16 pm

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Postby canman » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:50 pm

I don't want to put words in Bo sensei's mouth, but I think he may have the same attitude that a lot of foreigners have about hostesses, and that is they are prostitutes. And while I can't say that some aren't, please refer to Greji's post above, I think for most of them it's a job, that earns them money, and gives them some flexibility. Would I be happy if my daughter came home and told me that was the job she was going to choose. Maybe not, but for some people that is what they want.
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Postby canman » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:33 pm

Not to belabor the point, but I also think that is why a lot of Misawa military guys are not allowed into the hostess bars, as they think that if they are paying that much money, the honey must come with the price tag. And as we know that only happens with Greji, and the deep pocketed boys.
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Postby American Oyaji » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:16 pm

canman wrote:Not to belabor the point, but I also think that is why a lot of Misawa military guys are not allowed into the hostess bars, as they think that if they are paying that much money, the honey must come with the price tag. And as we know that only happens with Greji, and the deep pocketed boys.


Not just those with deep pockets, but nice regulars can get some. I was one of the few non Japanese in the Misawa/Hachinohe area that could walk into places that said "Japanese only".
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Postby BO-SENSEI » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:38 pm

I am not really sure where I am going, I just hope that when I get there, I can sit down because I am sure my feet will be tired.
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Postby Mike Oxlong » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:41 pm

Somebody has the kulture shox :roll:
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Postby Mulboyne » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:07 pm

BO-SENSEI wrote:...I am sure that part of the job doesn't make its way into the mainstream...

Books, films, comics, newspapers, magazines, TV dramas, documentaries, music, variety shows, wide shows, news programmes, the internet: I can't think of a single popular medium which hasn't dealt with hostesses and hostessing in considerable detail. Perhaps you should look around a bit more.
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Postby Typhoon » Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:16 am

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Postby Kanchou » Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:35 am

Greji wrote:Ahhh, when did they stop turning 'em? I mean it was always a given that maybe not the very first time, but a good high paying customer could always reasonable expect a piece of peehole pie for dessert if he played his cards right. Some shimei's who might have other plans for the eve, have even been know to arrange the extra course for a good payer...

Hey, it's all in a days work....
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Everything has a price, but I would have thought that in this case the price would be so high that only the seriously wealthy patrons would be able to 'afford' the services of the majority of hostesses. Although I'm sure there's a portion of them who do that sort of thing regularly. Sort of like how you've got strippers with strict look-only policies and then you've got the sort will walk out with you for a Benjamin or an appropriately sized amount of coke... The majority probably go somewhere in the middle, probably skewed to the look-only side.
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Postby BO-SENSEI » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:13 pm

Mulboyne wrote:Books, films, comics, newspapers, magazines, TV dramas, documentaries, music, variety shows, wide shows, news programmes, the internet: I can't think of a single popular medium which hasn't dealt with hostesses and hostessing in considerable detail. Perhaps you should look around a bit more.


Yeah that stuff is out there, but this part of the job must not be being mentioned to or is not known by the kids that write to that woman for them to still think that this job is glamorous. That's the part that creeps me out. I have nothing against women doing it because you would think they know what they are doing, but having a little girl want to grow up to become a hostess, that's where i have a problem with it.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:24 pm

BO-SENSEI wrote:in reality for the nameless thousands its more like dealing with married salary men who want to get away from their nagging wife and kids, and get drunk and drool over you


Yeah, if they were respectable women they'd go to a local bar and have the same experience but not get paid for it. As usual Bo-bo you don't know shit.

Going to hostess club isn't necessarily all that expensive. A night out in Roppongi can easily cost more than hitting an izakaya on your local shotengai follwed by a couple of hours at a lower-end kyabakura.

One thing I've never understood is all these Western dudes who think only a loser would pay to go to a hostess club but see nothing pathetic about spending hundreds of dollars on lap dances and drinks at a strip club.
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Postby Mike Oxlong » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:18 pm

Just like some kids don't know that wining & dining is exchanging goods for services...8)
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:37 pm

Mike Oxlong wrote:Just like some kids don't know that wining & dining is exchanging goods for services...8)


It's also far costlier with a high risk of failure.
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Postby Typhoon » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:09 am

"Sensei" - too funny.

More like chinpoko sensei.
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Postby Iraira » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:54 am

Just don't start dating the hostess after you've nailed her (if nailing her is your intention and it probably should be as you can get cheaper alcohol almost anywhere).
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Postby Iraira » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:13 pm

nottu wrote:cheaper sex is available almost anywhere.


So we can classify the above as Thunderbird sex, sterno sex, or One Cup Ozeki sex?
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