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Kanji Nishio Considers The Taboo of Reining in Foreigners

Postby Mulboyne » Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:14 am

[floatr]Image[/floatr]The Sankei today has an opinion piece by Kanji Nishio on its website. Nishio is a well-known critic who has been a leading light in promoting the use of controversial history textbooks in schools. I can't do justice to the piece with a full translation but here's a taste.

Nisho considers the idea that discussion of imposing restrictions on foreigners in Japan has become something of a taboo subject. He starts by looking at the sumo world and says it is evident that the domination of foreign wrestlers is driving away fans and causing young Japanese to turn to other sports. He argues that western operas and orchestras aren't dominated by Asians so why should a cultural product like sumo be unprotected? He thinks this taboo, or fear of being accused of being racist, extends to discussions about local suffrage for permanent residents and subsidies for non-Japanese schools. He rails against the Korean schools which he says get subsidies to indoctrinate pupils in anti-Japanese beliefs. He fears the possibility that Chinese permanent residents will have local ward offices and boards of education at their beck and call.

Nishio is a scholar of German literature and points out that multicultural policies in Europe are causing great unrest with local children sometimes the target of bullying by immigrant children and local residents feeling driven out of their communities. He argues that unless the Sumo Council takes stronger initiatives to reclaim the dohyo for Japanese wrestlers then Japan could well face the same kind of problems in the future.
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Postby Yokohammer » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:19 am

So he's an intelligent racist.

A racist of the worst, most insidious kind, in fact. Instead of keeping his bigotry to himself he uses one-sided, distorted "logic" to stir up people's fear and paranoia to engender widespread racial hatred.

The nazis would have been proud.
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Postby Kanchou » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:05 am

His argument is basically "it's OK to be racist because people think it's not nice to be racist, and people are stupid."
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Postby bolt_krank » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:35 am

I love it.
"People don't want to talk about that because it may be viewed as racist"

Ummm.... that's because it is ?
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Postby Yokohammer » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:27 am

Just read the piece through carefully and, as Mulboyne implies, the original is a bit more aggressive than his synopsis can convey.

It is, in short, a fear-mongering rant, full of assumptions and "facts" presented out of context.

These things crop up from time to time in any country, so I suppose it isn't surprising, but it is frustrating and a little scary when something like this gets published in the media in a country where one is part of the targeted minority.

The real problem is that in Japan a piece like this probably won't face any overt resistance or public backlash, and that just serves to give the bigotry more traction.
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Postby Mike Oxlong » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:38 am

Mulboyne wrote:Nisho considers the idea that discussion of imposing restrictions on foreigners in Japan has become something of a taboo subject. He starts by looking at the sumo world and says it is evident that the domination of foreign wrestlers is driving away fans and causing young Japanese to turn to other sports.

I see this sort of argument a lot, in Japan and also in Western media. What I see is a causality flip, where the author confuses correlation with causation. He doesn't consider for a second the alternative scenario of using the same evidence, but ordering it differently to see if it better fits the facts. For example, you might agree with the basic facts that foreigners have come to dominate the upper division of sumo, and that fans have been driven away from sumo, and that young Japanese prefer to go play soccer or baseball. But, it could also be that young Japanese naturally migrated to expanding professional leagues in other sports as those other sports grew, and that opened up the opportunity for foreign rikishi. As the other pro sports grew, a portion of the fan base followed them. More choices for the same fan base. Some fans will naturally move to baseball or soccer. With a population that grew very slowly for some time, peaked a while ago, and is on the ever speeding decline, there are no new fans to spread around.

Sadly, this very poor understanding of correlation, causation, and the subtle, but very important differences in meaning when we flip the causality, is absent in much public discourse.
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:06 pm

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mike Oxlong again.


Wonderful argument, Mike! Logical, sensible, rational....but TIJ, so STFU!

Unfortunately, I think Nishio's opinions are shared by too widespread a section of Japanese society to be merely written off as racism. He's indicative of an enormous section of this country's society. And it's a national trait.
I'm sure Nishio is delighted to see Nippon Samurai starring in MLB or winning the WBC, thus displaying the superiority of Yamato damashi over the honkeys, darkies, wetbacks, etc. Just don't do the same to our sports.
Still, two-faced hypocrisy is a national trait. (Just watch how average Taro Salaryman talks to his company president and then how he addresses somebody ranked below him in the organization for an example).
As for Korean schools, I think he's got a fair point. Criticism is fine, breeding outright hostility is a no-no and taxpayers here shouldn't have to fund that.
But with the Chinese dominating local government services, who gives a fuck? Local governments are nothing more than peons carrying out national government policy anyway. Japan needs as many taxpayers as it can get. It's not like they're gonna staff every City Hall with an immigrant. Squeeze us for our money so we can pay for the fact that this country as a whole has failed miserably in terms of biologically maintaining a sustainable society. But that may be too logical a suggestion.
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Postby Takechanpoo » Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:58 pm

He studied in Germany in 60's and suffered numerous racial discriminations, where his origin as an extreme nationalist is. I often had read his books(before he participated in new history textbook movement) written about his personal experiences in Germany in my university days.
By the way, he is also famous of his German philosophy translations of Schopenhauer and Nietzsche among intelligent Japanese like me.
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:35 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:He studied in Germany in 60's and suffered numerous racial discriminations, where his origin as an extreme nationalist is.


It's sad it ended that way. As a victim of racial discrimination, a far better way of handling the situation would have been to ensure that others didn't undergo the same treatment he did. Instead, when the boot is on the other foot, he now actively advocates others suffer the same misfortune he did and implores people to hate people who are in a similar situation to the one that scarred him so much.
For all his obvious intelligence, his stance shows that he is just as barbaric today as those who racially discriminated him decades ago. He should be ashamed at his regression, more so in particular because he knows what it is like to be the victim.
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Postby Ganma » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:59 pm

Mulboyne wrote: He argues that western operas and orchestras aren't dominated by Asians so why should a cultural product like sumo be unprotected?

Wow. Excellent logical deduction. If asians were the best in this field it might very well be dominated by them. But they just don't have the lungs to be top opera singers.
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Postby Ganma » Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:12 pm

Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:Unfortunately, I think Nishio's opinions are shared by too widespread a section of Japanese society to be merely written off as racism. He's indicative of an enormous section of this country's society. And it's a national trait.

I think the 'enormous section' is the old farts that dominate this country's population. They see the populous shrinking and they're freaking out that their beloved Japan will disappear in a wave of immigration. Until that older generation dissipates I don't think we will see much change here. The only problem is that they just won't die!:flame:
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:51 pm

Ganma wrote:I think the 'enormous section' is the old farts that dominate this country's population. They see the populous shrinking and they're freaking out that their beloved Japan will disappear in a wave of immigration. Until that older generation dissipates I don't think we will see much change here. The only problem is that they just won't die!:flame:


On the contrary, rather than the Old Farts, I think the younger generations are far more anti-immigration and anti-foreigner.
The oldies only want their pensions paid, they won't care too much who does it.
The young ones blame their problems on the "influx" of gaijin rather than take a good look at their own inadequacies and the mismanagement of the country by earlier generations.
Look at Take (and I apologize for referring to a specific individual here)....intelligent, well-read young man, but virulently (?) anti-foreigner. Yet, he hasn't contributed to the future population of the country and I have no idea what economic contribution he may have or have-not made. He's fairly symbolic of the younger generations.
The immigration problem is not something that can be blamed exclusively on the older generations (though it is to a certain extent maintained by them), and I think it is an issue that will become more hostile toward foreigners in the future.
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Postby Ganma » Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:10 pm

Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:On the contrary, rather than the Old Farts, I think the younger generations are far more anti-immigration and anti-foreigner.

Are you sure about that? Young girls seem to love fucking foreigners here.:D
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Postby Greji » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:12 pm

Ganma wrote:Are you sure about that? Young girls seem to love fucking foreigners here.:D

Well, everybody needs a hobby!

However, marry one of them if you want to see how long it takes to break that habit!
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Postby Ganma » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:02 pm

Greji wrote:Well, everybody needs a hobby!

However, marry one of them if you want to see how long it takes to break that habit!
:cool:

Already fell into that trap.:(
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Postby Iraira » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:38 pm

Ganma wrote:Are you sure about that? Young girls seem to love fucking foreigners here.:D


Been here too long to know the difference anymore....
Are you using the word "fucking" as a verb or an adjective?
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Postby BO-SENSEI » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:19 pm

Young Japanese boys are not interested in a sport where you have to be extremely overweight and fight other overweight men? I am shocked, you would think all Japanese boys would love to do that, not like they would prefer to play baseball or soccer, even judo or kendo.

I got a question for you, Nishio, how did you feel about Yu Darvish, an Iranian-Japanese, helping you win the WBC, huh? Its the 21st Century, all these racist nuts, Americans and Europeans included, need to wake up and come to the realization that people move to other countries all the time, you can't stop it, and if you try you are just hurting yourself. Until people like Nishio are in the ignored minority, I will never raise my children(if I ever have any) in Japan.
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Postby Taka-Okami » Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:08 pm

Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:On the contrary, rather than the Old Farts, I think the younger generations are far more anti-immigration and anti-foreigner.
The oldies only want their pensions paid, they won't care too much who does it.
The young ones blame their problems on the "influx" of gaijin rather than take a good look at their own inadequacies and the mismanagement of the country by earlier generations.
Look at Take (and I apologize for referring to a specific individual here)....intelligent, well-read young man, but virulently (?) anti-foreigner. Yet, he hasn't contributed to the future population of the country and I have no idea what economic contribution he may have or have-not made. He's fairly symbolic of the younger generations.
The immigration problem is not something that can be blamed exclusively on the older generations (though it is to a certain extent maintained by them), and I think it is an issue that will become more hostile toward foreigners in the future.


I agree with that. In all my years in Japan, I only got shit from the younger J generation (only from males). One cunt I tutored fucking hated gaijin guts, yet he still turned up to class (he must have been mid to late 30's). I'm sure he would have slit my throat if I gave him the chance. One other fucker tried to kill me with his truck when I was riding my motorbike on the highway. Even one or to in my extended J family don't like white meat either.

Never, ever had problems with the oldies. Just speak one or two word of the lingo to em, and they'll think your awesome ;).

But hey, I still love Japan. I got much less shit there than I do now in Oz. Here I'm worried if some white trash is gonna stabb me for no good reason.
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Postby Taka-Okami » Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:13 pm

Greji wrote:Well, everybody needs a hobby!

However, marry one of them if you want to see how long it takes to break that habit!
:cool:


Just like with any chick, you fuck'em (your cheese & kisses) right, and they come back begging for more.

For all those who dont know what a cheese & kisses is, go ask your nearest ozzie.
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:32 pm

Taka-Okami wrote:For all those who dont know what a cheese & kisses is, go ask your nearest ozzie.


That's funny....I always thought the rhyming slang for "missus" was either "twitch" or "punt."
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Postby Kanchou » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:33 pm

and here I would have thought it'd be slang for cunnilingus.
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Postby Ketou » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:39 pm

Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:That's funny....I always thought the rhyming slang for "missus" was either "twitch" or "punt."


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Postby Yokohammer » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:50 pm

Just got back from dinner with a J-client. This is a guy I've known and worked with for around 20 years, and one of very few I can talk to openly and with complete honesty about just about anything. We got to talking about Japanese politics and voting rights for foreigners and such, so I brought up the Nishio article. He knew who the guy was immediately, and told me that he is famous but generally considered to be a hardline nutcase and is ignored by most Japanese people. Whether or not he is right in that assumption, just hearing him say it was a relief.

No big deal ... just thought I'd drop that in as another reference point.
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Postby Ganma » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:29 pm

Iraira wrote:Been here too long to know the difference anymore....
Are you using the word "fucking" as a verb or an adjective?

It was intended as a verb.
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Postby Iraira » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:17 am

nottu wrote:Remember - if it ain't red, it ain't snot.


Sounds like a symptom of Ebola.
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:01 am

nottu wrote:twisted, conflicted, globalist infested sorry mfs assholes


Guilty as charged. Summed me up to a tee!!! (Probably could have added stupid, brainless, mindless, dickhead, petty, cunt, and loads more but you still got a really accurate summation of my character).
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Postby Greji » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:21 am

nottu wrote:I love when something like this is posted so all you twisted, conflicted, globalist infested sorry mfs can vent your contradictions.
Continue please assholes.

Remember - if it ain't red, it ain't snot.


Don't worry Nottu, you're not the only one that has bad days. You know, like just when you think it can't get any worse.....
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Postby Kanchou » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:36 pm

Greji wrote:Don't worry Nottu, you're not the only one that has bad days. You know, like just when you think it can't get any worse.....
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