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Cabinet Office Complains About WaPo's "Loopy Hatoyama" Comment

Postby Mulboyne » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:15 am

[floatl]Image[/floatl]Kyodo: Japan displeased by U.S. newspaper column calling Hatoyama 'loopy'
Chief Cabinet Secretary Hirofumi Hirano expressed displeasure Thursday with a Washington Post column that called Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama "increasingly loopy," saying it lacked due courtesy to a national leader. In a column in Wednesday's edition of the major U.S. daily, Al Kamen wrote that "by far the biggest loser" at the Nuclear Security Summit held in Washington earlier this week was "the hapless and (in the opinion of some Obama administration officials) increasingly loopy" Hatoyama. The columnist said Hatoyama reportedly could not have a bilateral meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama, despite requesting one, on the sidelines of the major event. The roughly 10-minute informal talks Hatoyama and Obama held during a working dinner were "the only consolation prize" the prime minister got, he said. "The column used an expression that was somewhat discourteous to a country's prime minister," Hirano said at a news conference, adding that the two leaders' conversation over dinner still provided "a meaningful opportunity" even if it was short. Kamen also wrote that Hatoyama has come off to Obama administration officials as unreliable over the future of the U.S. Marine Corps' Futemma Air Station in Okinawa, a major sticking point between the two countries. Arguing that the Japanese government has yet to propose an alternative plan for Futemma's relocation, the columnist said, "Uh, Yukio, you're supposed to be an ally, remember? Saved you countless billions with that expensive U.S. nuclear umbrella?"
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Postby bolt_krank » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:03 am

So what is Hirano proposing ? We should never criticise another country's leaders ? Just 'cause he hasn't got the balls to do so, doesn't mean everyone else should get rid of theirs.
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Postby Yokohammer » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:37 am

He insulted Japan's leader! Off with his head!

(What the heck do they expect? Hatoyama is proving to be a bona-fide fruit-loop and flake all rolled into one.)
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Postby Doctor Stop » Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:22 am

He's the loop, his wife's the flake.
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Postby Level3 » Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:51 am

Besides, if we take the paper at their word, the "loopy" comment or sentiment originates from Obama's staff who probably didn't want to be directly quoted.

Yet the paper is being criticized?

But then Obama has already far outdone Bush on stupidity, from believing Austrian is a langauge, to declaring the USA won't use nukes if it (or its allies) are attacked with biochem weapons...

Plus his very strange habit of bowing to world dictators, and shunning US allies. He didn't meet officially with Hatoyama? Another shun. Plenty of time to met China though. I hear the closing comment of all talks comes from the Chinese side is they say "Obama, Why don't you play a game of solitaire?"
[Get the reference?]

And the minsters of The One criticizing Hatoyama for flip-flopping on policy?

glass houses, pot and kettle, etc. etc.
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Postby MrUltimateGaijin » Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:41 pm

Level3 wrote:
to declaring the USA won't use nukes if it (or its allies) are attacked with biochem weapons...




he never said that. FOX news said that to get the simple folk worked up.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:56 pm

Level3 wrote:But then Obama has already far outdone Bush on stupidity


With a comment like that you've obviously outdone them both.
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Postby Ganma » Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:01 pm

Old Pigeon Mountain surfin' with the aliens. Who would have thought. It's a pity because in terms of ideas he's been the most foreigner friendly PM yet.
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Postby Greji » Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:47 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:With a comment like that you've obviously outdone them both.


What? Bush calling the big Ha Toe loopy?
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Postby Level3 » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:06 pm

MrUltimateGaijin wrote:he never said that. FOX news said that to get the simple folk worked up.


Uh, no. It's the New York Times.

"For the first time, the United States is explicitly committing not to use nuclear weapons against nonnuclear states that are in compliance with the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, even if they attacked the United States with biological or chemical weapons or launched a crippling cyberattack. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/world/06arms.html

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Postby Level3 » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:14 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:With a comment like that you've obviously outdone them both.


Hey, it's not like Obama should be in Special Olympics or anything.
Besdies, which of the 57 states would he represent?
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"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong." The One

Obama sees dead people?
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Postby Kuang_Grade » Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:37 pm

Level3 wrote:Uh, no. It's the New York Times.

"For the first time, the United States is explicitly committing not to use nuclear weapons against nonnuclear states that are in compliance with the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, even if they attacked the United States with biological or chemical weapons or launched a crippling cyberattack. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/world/06arms.html

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While as much as everyone around here would love the US to let loose nukes because of a "cyberattack"....fuck, facebook is really slow, lets go to DEFCON 2,

the actual fact of the matter is a bit more nuanced..Here it is from the actual document...Page 8

http://www.defense.gov/npr/docs/2010%20Nuclear%20Posture%20Review%20Report.pdf

In making this strengthened assurance, the United States affirms that any state eligible for the assurance that uses chemical or biological weapons against the United States or its allies and partners would face the prospect of a devastating conventional military response –]Given the catastrophic potential of biological weapons and the rapid pace of bio-technology development, the United States reserves the right to make any adjustment in the assurance that may be warranted by the evolution and proliferation of the biological weapons threat and U.S. capacities to counter that threat.[/B]

In the case of countries not covered by this assurance – states that possess nuclear weapons and states not in compliance with their nuclear non-proliferation obligations – there remains a narrow range of contingencies in which U.S. nuclear weapons may still play a role in deterring a conventional or CBW attack against the United States or its allies and partners. The United States is therefore not prepared at the present time to adopt a universal policy that deterring nuclear attack is the sole purpose of nuclear weapons, but will work to establish conditions under which such a policy could be safely adopted.
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Postby MrUltimateGaijin » Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:52 pm

Level3 wrote:Uh, no. It's the New York Times.

"For the first time, the United States is explicitly committing not to use nuclear weapons against nonnuclear states that are in compliance with the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, even if they attacked the United States with biological or chemical weapons or launched a crippling cyberattack. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/world/06arms.html

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Postby Yokohammer » Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:05 am

Anyone see this in the JT today? Made me laugh out loud.

President asked Hatoyama one key question: Can you 'follow through?'
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Barack Obama asked Yukio Hatoyama during informal talks this month if the prime minister would "follow through," after the cooperation of the U.S. president was sought in efforts to relocate Futenma air station by the end of May, sources said Sunday.

Obama also told Hatoyama during their brief meeting in Washington that no progress has been made on deciding where to put the U.S. marine base, reminding Hatoyama of his use of the phrase "trust me" at their summit in November, said the sources, who are familiar with Japanese-U.S. relations.

The remarks could be mean Obama is beginning to have doubts about Hatoyama's ability to resolve the contentious issue.

Hatoyama has refused to disclose what Obama said at their brief talk but said Thursday after returning to Japan that he doesn't think the president was expressing displeasure.

During a working dinner at the Nuclear Security Summit in Washington, Hatoyama told reporters after the informal chat that he didn't name any prospective relocation site for the U.S. base, which is situated in a densely populated area of Ginowan, Okinawa Prefecture.

He also said he asked Obama to understand the need to ease the military-hosting burden on Okinawa's residents.

The Hatoyama administration intends to negotiate a proposal with Washington to make Tokunoshima Island in Kagoshima Prefecture,north of Okinawa, the new site of a U.S. helicopter unit now stationed at Futenma.

Poor old piss-weak, loopy Hatoyama. No wonder he didn't want to reveal what Obama said.
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Postby Ganma » Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:29 pm

and this...

[SIZE="5"]Japan falls fast from Obama priority list[/SIZE]
WASHINGTON (AFP) – When he took office, US President Barack Obama moved quickly to show his commitment to Japan. He welcomed its then prime minister as his first White House guest and Hillary Clinton made the Asian ally her first destination as secretary of state.

What a difference a year makes.

When Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama came to Washington last week for a summit on nuclear security, his face-time with Obama consisted of approaching him at a dinner when the president asked guests to enjoy the food before discussions.

Diplomats said the 10-minute encounter consisted mostly of Hatoyama telling Obama that he was still making a decision on the Futenma air base, which some of the prime minister's left-leaning supporters want off Okinawa island.

US officials have publicly said they are willing to consider Hatoyama's ideas. But privately, many are exasperated that Japan has not put any concrete proposal on the table on a dispute that has been building for months.

Still, advocates for the half-century alliance have voiced alarm that tensions are becoming so visible. Nuclear security is an issue close to Japan's heart and Obama found the time to meet 13 other leaders on the summit sidelines including Chinese President Hu Jintao.

"I found it absolutely shocking that the two countries couldn't find a way to arrange a meeting," said George Packard, president of the United States-Japan Foundation.

Senator Jim Webb, who heads the Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee on East Asia, said that while it was understandable to focus on a rising China, it was vital to keep emphasizing the importance of the alliance with Japan.

The strategy is "kind of like birth control. If you cease taking the proper precautions, the possibility of an incident is elevated," said Webb, a member of Obama's Democratic Party from Virginia.
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Postby BO-SENSEI » Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:44 pm

Personally, I believe that Hatoyama being invited to this shindig is kind of like giving medals to all participants in a three-legged race, sure Japan is the only nation to experience a nuclear attack, like it needed to remind you, and it is very adament about seeing a nuclear free world, but does anyone seriously believe that could make any contribution to making that a reality. Hatoyama is in a no-win situation, he wants all of Japan to like him but he is pissing off the Americans with his delay tactics. He should grow some balls, swallow some pride and make a difficult decision. That's the only way anyone will respect you.
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Postby Number11 » Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:30 pm

I agree with you. He should decide that there is no option to move the base anywhere else in Japan and tell the US to move them to anywhere they choose... outside Japan.

He's be an instant hero and his popularity would soar.
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Postby Kuang_Grade » Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:28 am

BO-SENSEI wrote:Personally, I believe that Hatoyama being invited to this shindig is kind of like giving medals to all participants in a three-legged race, sure Japan is the only nation to experience a nuclear attack, like it needed to remind you, and it is very adament about seeing a nuclear free world, but does anyone seriously believe that could make any contribution to making that a reality.

While there are those issues you mention as well as the 'jeeze, if I invite country X, I guess I have to invite the rest of the G-20", Japan also has sizable nuclear energy industry, so it is important to get them on board as well....you don't necessarily need a PM for that, but it doesn't hurt.

Interestingly enough, it looks like Japan has competition in nuclear victimization...Kazakhstan put up ads around the site of the conference saying they had suffered from the effects of over 500 nuclear explosions

http://burnafterreading.nationaljournal.com/2010/04/kazakhstan.php
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