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Cut effective corporate tax rate to 20% range, rethink trade strategy

Postby FG Lurker » Sat May 08, 2010 11:15 pm

Cut effective corporate tax rate to 20% range, rethink trade strategy
The Yomiuri Shimbun, May 8, 2010
Japan is mired in an economic downturn. Although there are some glimmers of an economic recovery, there is no end in sight to the ever-worsening "decade of deflation." The nation's finances are on the verge of bankruptcy due mainly to dole-out measures championed by the Cabinet of Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama. Japan cannot escape this crisis unless the government halts these measures and unleashes a policy that will revive the economy and promote growth.

The Yomiuri Shimbun--including reporters from our Editorial Bureau, Editorial Board members and Yomiuri Research Institute members, and with input from outside experts during a series of meetings--has drawn up a five-point emergency proposal for economic revitalization, including cutting the effective corporate tax rate to the 20 percent range and formulating a new international trade strategy.

The Japanese economic downturn and the slump in corporate business performance have reached a critical stage. Gross domestic product per capita, an indicator of a nation's affluence, plunged to 23rd in the world in 2008 from third in 2000.

According to the World Competitiveness Yearbook of the International Institute for Management Development in Switzerland, a management research organ, Japan stood atop the international competitiveness ranking in 1990, but had slumped to 17th in 2009.

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Domestically, deflation--a continual decline in the prices of goods and services--has been strangling the economy for more than a decade since the late 1990s. Japan is the only advanced nation beset by deflation for such a long period. Corporate performances have been stagnant, and the decline in income and employment appears to be never-ending.

Tax revenues are not increasing. Despite this, the Democratic Party of Japan-led government is charging ahead with dole-out policies in the fiscal 2010 initial budget that will require the issuance of national bonds to exceed estimated budget revenue. This is an abnormal situation--and one Japan is experiencing for the first time since the end of World War II.

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There's quite a lot there and most of it makes pretty good sense. Probably too much sense for the DPJ, unfortunately. :wall:
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Postby nottu » Sat May 08, 2010 11:26 pm

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Postby GomiGirl » Sat May 08, 2010 11:58 pm

The thing about corporate taxation is that eventhough it is insanely high, there is little of it that is actually realised/collected. The reason being is that there are so many loopholes and deductions and write offs that it is possible for a very profitable company to pay very very little tax.

If the loopholes were closed and the tax rate were more reasonable, then tax collections would probably be higher.
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Postby nottu » Sun May 09, 2010 12:04 am

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Postby Coligny » Sun May 09, 2010 1:31 pm

FG Lurker wrote:The nation's finances are on the verge of bankruptcy due mainly to dole-out measures championed by the Cabinet of Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama.



I are not the sharpest knife in the drawer as far as finance goes... And the only good thing I am at with muney is spending it like if there wuz no tomorrow...

BUT...

Everytime I see Hatayoma depicted like some kind of antichrist only good at bringing doom to japanese people, even worse than a mutant zombie Saddam Hussein combined together with a cloned Kim Jong ill... I tend to take things with a grain of salt...

This guy can't have a break... as far as I know, j-inc started getting deep in poop while the other guys were in charge and inherited from quite a mess...
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Postby FG Lurker » Sun May 09, 2010 3:14 pm

Coligny wrote:This guy can't have a break... as far as I know, j-inc started getting deep in poop while the other guys were in charge and inherited from quite a mess...

The first rule when you find yourself deep in a hole is to stop digging. The LDP dug a deep hole, there is no doubt of that... The DPJ hasn't stopped digging though and if anything they seem to be picking up the pace.
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Postby Captain Japan » Sun May 09, 2010 5:29 pm

The nation's finances are on the verge of bankruptcy due mainly to dole-out measures championed by the Cabinet of Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama.


Japan's financial troubles have been around much, much longer than the start of the Hatoyama administration.

Gomi is spot-on as far as corporate taxes. There is no need for illegal tax evasion when taxes can be avoided so simply through completely legal means.
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Postby Ketou » Sun May 09, 2010 8:02 pm

Personally I'm going with the collapse of the fiat currencies in the next year or two...taxes won't matter by then.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sun May 09, 2010 11:24 pm

Captain Japan wrote:Gomi is spot-on as far as corporate taxes. There is no need for illegal tax evasion when taxes can be avoided so simply through completely legal means.


Yeah, it's great for people who only want to realize profits in Japan and can run a business with very low margins. But as nottu pointed out, it sucks big time if you have a high margin business and want to move money out of Japan.
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Postby FG Lurker » Sun May 09, 2010 11:42 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Yeah, it's great for people who only want to realize profits in Japan and can run a business with very low margins. But as nottu pointed out, it sucks big time if you have a high margin business and want to move money out of Japan.

Hmm, I think you missed both points SJ.

A lot of things can be deducted here as business expenses, meaning that although the tax rate is very high the net profit of a company after "expenses" is generally quite low for most small to medium size businesses.

For repatriation, sending money out of Japan isn't the issue. Repatriating profits into Japan from overseas subsidiaries is the issue. If companies bring overseas profits back to Japan they get hit for 40% of it in taxes. Having such a high tax rate encourages companies to keep their overseas profits overseas which means they end up investing them in overseas production and overseas R&D facilities. Not good for Japan.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon May 10, 2010 12:34 am

FG Lurker wrote:Hmm, I think you missed both points SJ.

A lot of things can be deducted here as business expenses, meaning that although the tax rate is very high the net profit of a company after "expenses" is generally quite low for most small to medium size businesses.

For repatriation, sending money out of Japan isn't the issue. Repatriating profits into Japan from overseas subsidiaries is the issue. If companies bring overseas profits back to Japan they get hit for 40% of it in taxes. Having such a high tax rate encourages companies to keep their overseas profits overseas which means they end up investing them in overseas production and overseas R&D facilities. Not good for Japan.


I understand the first point. I know plenty of people here who run small businesses and because they are able to expense just about everything they claim little or no profit and pay little or no taxes. They also keep their personal income tax low by paying themselves low salaries and expensing a lot things that they couldn't get away with expensing in other countries. In such situations Japan can be a great place to operate a company. That's what I was talking about.

I may have missed nottu's point because maybe he was talking about repatriating money into Japan, but I do think it's an issue both ways. Not that taking money out of Japan is tough once you've paid your taxes but that a 40% corporate tax can be a big disincentive for major foreign corporations to invest here or keep to keep doing business here if they're already here. Also not good for Japan.

By the way, I know that worldwide income is taxable for individuals classified as permanent residents by the tax office (different from immigration PR, by the way). However, I have an FG friend here who wanted to bring several hundred thousand dollars in savings over that he made before he lived in Japan but was told that if he did he'd have to pay income tax on it. I'm not talking about cashing out an investment of anything like that, just straight savings. How the fuck does that work?
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