Maehara's ties to FG money cost him job

[Samurai_Jerk]

Japan foreign minister quits over illegal donation



Maehara, 48, was foreign minister for just six months.

The allegation came up during a parliamentary budget committee meeting last week. Maehara initially said he didn't know about it, but later acknowledged that his office accepted the donation from his longtime supporter, an ethnic South Korean resident in Kyoto, and apologized.

Japan's political funding law prohibits lawmakers from accepting donations from foreigners, and opposition lawmakers demanded he take responsibility.

[Kanchou]

It's already racist enough for Japan-born ZAINICHI not being automatic Japanese citizens, but keeping foreigners who can't vote from making political contributions seems like icing on the racist cake.

[Mike Oxlong]

Maehara should stay...

[Fullback]

It's already racist enough for Japan-born ZAINICHI not being automatic Japanese citizens, but keeping foreigners who can't vote from making political contributions seems like icing on the racist cake.

Jus soli is almost entirely limited to the western hemisphere. The rest of the world is pretty much jus sanguinis.

[Iraira]

It's already racist enough for Japan-born ZAINICHI not being automatic Japanese citizens, but keeping foreigners who can't vote from making political contributions seems like icing on the racist cake.

I'm not sure how I feel about the foreigner voting rights issue. I'm not Japanese (by borth or naturalization), and don't have a 100% allegiance to Japan. How issues, politicians, policies, etc., would affect Japan's relations with my home country (the great satan) would definitely affect who I voted for in Japan. At the same time, I pay my taxes which feels like a rude anal intrusion without having been bought dinner or lube beforehand. If I pay taxes, I should have some say somewhere how they are used, but.....go back to the start of my reply and repeat ad nauseum. Not meaning to hijack this, as it's Maehara's thread, and he' s probably bummed enough about having to quit, and now having me steal his thread....I don't want that kind of responsibility.

[Doctor Stop]

It's already racist enough for Japan-born ZAINICHI not being automatic Japanese citizens, but keeping foreigners who can't vote from making political contributions seems like icing on the racist cake.

Many of them were Japanese nationals until the signing of the San Francisco Peace Treaty in 1952.

As Zainichi Koreans have the option to "re-naturalize", and as thousands do it every year, I don't see anything racist about the system as it is now. If anything, it's the Zainichis who are themselves racist in them not being willing to formally accept that they and their communities are now more Japanese than Korean.

[Yokohammer]

What's so annoying about this story is that it's over a piddling sum (what was it, JPY 100,000?) he received from a neighborhood lady he's known since he was a kid. She's a "fan." And for that he gets mobbed by a bunch of time wasters who haven't got a single decent idea about how to run the country between them, and is forced to step down. How fucking stupid! If it's not allowed just give the money back and get on with it!

Japanese politics is all about bringing the other guy down.
No wonder the country is going down the shitter.

[Kanchou]

Jus soli is almost entirely limited to the western hemisphere. The rest of the world is pretty much jus sanguinis.

And pretty much the rest of the world is a shithole.

I think if someone is born in a country, citizenship is a birthright. Especially if their parents are permanent residents. Less so if their parents are birth tourists...

I'm not sure how I feel about the foreigner voting rights issue. I'm not Japanese (by borth or naturalization), and don't have a 100% allegiance to Japan. How issues, politicians, policies, etc., would affect Japan's relations with my home country (the great satan) would definitely affect who I voted for in Japan. At the same time, I pay my taxes which feels like a rude anal intrusion without having been bought dinner or lube beforehand. If I pay taxes, I should have some say somewhere how they are used, but.....go back to the start of my reply and repeat ad nauseum. Not meaning to hijack this, as it's Maehara's thread, and he' s probably bummed enough about having to quit, and now having me steal his thread....I don't want that kind of responsibility.

I think voting should be for citizens, however long-term residents should be able to influence politics in non-voting ways. We are paying taxes after all.

[Fullback]

Gee, let me take a wild guess... Kanchou is an American?

[FG Lurker]

And pretty much the rest of the world is a shithole.

I don't see much of a correlation. There are shitholes and non-shitholes on both sides of the equation. It's more of a new world vs old world sort of thing, and if you think about that for a bit it makes sense.

I think if someone is born in a country, citizenship is a birthright. Especially if their parents are permanent residents. Less so if their parents are birth tourists...

When you start drawing lines you no longer have jus soli.

I think voting should be for citizens, however long-term residents should be able to influence politics in non-voting ways. We are paying taxes after all.

How exactly do you propose long term residents influence politics without voting?

[Yokohammer]

How exactly do you propose long term residents influence politics without voting?

By making monetary donations to politicians?

[Kanchou]

political contribution

I don't intend to draw lines. I think if youre born somewhere you should be a citizen. But on a personal note I think there is still a difference between a resident's child and a birth tourist, merely as a principle. Perhaps simply not offering dual citizenship to birth tourists would solve the problem of anchor babies. But in my opinion 2nd generation ZAINICHI should not be considered foreigners.

[matsuki]

Gee, let me take a wild guess... Kanchou is an American?

Not sure but I am and naturalization as a birthright...LOL where one is born does not a citizen make....except in countries trying to increase their polulation. (Japan's near future?) BTW, since Zainichi have the option of naturalizing (though they will not be able to have dual citizenship) it's hardly a racist issue. They get all kinds of weird benefits as Zainichi so many don't apply for Japanese citizenship as they would lose those benefits. As to the donation law, it's easy to understand that Japan would not want foreign countries/companies influencing politics so directly....but seeing how easy that can be circumvented it's toothless. Also, the FG that donated...if it's as you guys say, isn't it unreasonable to be required to ask the women for proof of citizenship over such a small donation? Love how Japanese law is referenced when continent but then issues become case by case when convent. The only thing consistent about it is if it involved gaijin, you're fucked.

[matsuki]

political contribution

I don't intend to draw lines. I think if youre born somewhere you should be a citizen. But on a personal note I think there is still a difference between a resident's child and a birth tourist, merely as a principle. Perhaps simply not offering dual citizenship to birth tourists would solve the problem of anchor babies. But in my opinion 2nd generation ZAINICHI should not be considered foreigners.

Well, unless Japan starts recognizing dual citizenship, you're basically saying the children would be Japanese? (No choice?) If they're 2nd generation then they have the choice.

[Kanchou]

I'm saying they'd have a choice. But those born to long term residents should get dual citizenship.

Being born in and raised in a country should make you a citizen. If anything your parents should have to apply for citizenship in their home country for you.

This isn't Rome. Citizenship isnt about slaves and race anymore.

[Fullback]

political contribution

I don't intend to draw lines. I think if youre born somewhere you should be a citizen. But on a personal note I think there is still a difference between a resident's child and a birth tourist, merely as a principle. Perhaps simply not offering dual citizenship to birth tourists would solve the problem of anchor babies. But in my opinion 2nd generation ZAINICHI should not be considered foreigners.

It's none of your business how any other people choose to structure their citizenship laws.

There are no "anchor baby" or "birth tourist" problems in Japan.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Kanchou]

immigration as a general subject.

[Samurai_Jerk]

It's already racist enough for Japan-born ZAINICHI not being automatic Japanese citizens, but keeping foreigners who can't vote from making political contributions seems like icing on the racist cake.

Just because you disagree with Japan's immigration and citizenship rules doesn't make them racist. I agree with the good Doctor that you could just as easily argue that Koreans who refuse to naturalize after so many generations are the real racists. Either that or they're opportunists who'd rather take advantage of the special benefitst they get than fully participate in Japan's political system.

I know a woman who is a third-generation zainichi Korean now in her forties that didn't naturalize till she was in her thirties. The reason being that her grandparents were absolutely against the family doing so. She and the rest of the family just waited for them to die and then made the change. I have a feeling that you'll see a lot more people doing the same as the old generation dies off.

[sublight]

I think it's time to launch the "one-coin reform program."

Send out a 500-yen donation to any Diet members you think need to go. As soon as any are accepted, report them and bust their asses.

[Kanchou]

I would agree that they are racist as well. But I think if dual citizenship was recognized and automatic it would be a non-issue.

And yes, calling the policy racist is purely my opinion.

[Ganma]

Japanese politics is all about bringing the other guy down.
No wonder the country is going down the shitter.

100% agreed.
Since getting booted out of power the LDP has done nothing to appeal to the public by cleaning up their game and instead has spend all their time stirring up scandals to hoist the DPJ out. And the sad thing about it is that it's working and the public is lapping it up. Come next election and we'll see those retards back in power ready to take Japan one step further to the abyss.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Link to a map showing which countries do and do not allow multiple citizenships: MAP

Wikipedia on multiple citizenship: WIKI

[FG Lurker]

Link to a map showing which countries do and do not allow multiple citizenships: MAP

Do you spend a lot of time reading Wikipedia in Swedish?

[Samurai_Jerk]

Do you spend a lot of time reading Wikipedia in Swedish?

Every waking hour.

But seriously, I was looking for a list of countries that do and do not allow dual citizenship with an English-language search in Google than that map was one of the hits.

[AML]

Well, no surprises there! Japan (again) is one of the few civilized nations that doesnt have something it should.

If I have kids im not giving the Jp nationality.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Well, no surprises there! Japan (again) is one of the few civilized nations that doesnt have something it should.

If I have kids im not giving the Jp nationality.

And what is it Japan should have?

[Kanchou]

A higher standard of living, less stifling education system with better ESL, and vaccines that don't give kids polio.

[Kanchou]

double post

[AML]

And what is it Japan should have?

Errr, the option for families that consist of members from more than one nation to give their kids dual citizenship?

[Typhoon]

100% agreed.
Since getting booted out of power the LDP has done nothing to appeal to the public by cleaning up their game and instead has spend all their time stirring up scandals to hoist the DPJ out. And the sad thing about it is that it's working and the public is lapping it up. Come next election and we'll see those retards back in power ready to take Japan one step further to the abyss.

Those LDPetards probably could not dig up these scandals without the able collusion and assistance of the government bureaucracy.

As scandals go, this one was a typhoon in a thimble.