Gang Bang Girl Consented, Rules Court

[Mulboyne]

[Proxy]

just because a girl has had too much alcohol to say no doesn't mean she's said yes, in my humble O.

on another note, i'm reminded of the case of the rapist in georgia who was acquitted because the victim had worn a mini-skirt.

[Mulboyne]

just because a girl has had too much alcohol to say no doesn't mean she's said yes, in my humble O.

Well, that was neither the premise of the original arrest nor the issue raised by this court. The youths were arrested because police believed the girl was dead drunk and could not have consented. The court ruled in the civil case that the university should have considered the suspects' testimony that she wasn't drunk and did consent.

I wonder if the girl now regrets reaching an out-of-court settlement rather than letting the case go to prosecution. I also wonder whether the boys can still be prosecuted now that their civil case has cast doubt on her version of events. Of course, it may have been that the prosecutor at the time advised her there wasn't sufficient evidence to secure a conviction.

[IparryU]

well... if you are going to drink you have to watch yourself. if you get drunk and kill someone, you should be held responsible. likewise, if you get drunk and you end up having sex with 1 or more persons, you being raped or raping, you should hold your responsibility.

of course, there are those sic fucks who get a girl wasted with the intention to get in her pants. so when 6 people line up to pull a train on a drunk chick you have to take into consideration if she wanted it or not.

regarding the georga case, i on some levels agree with it because if a girl is going to dress like a slut, by all means, she is tricking the eyes of other people. When a female states that her choice of clothing does not make her a easy girl, etc. ... it just reminds me of the david chappel skit.

glad to hear that the "truth" came out for the 6 guys in the incident though. the girl should have to pay much more compensation and serve time as well. little white lies like that fuck peoples entire life over.

[Greji]

glad to hear that the "truth" came out for the 6 guys in the incident though. the girl should have to pay much more compensation and serve time as well. little white lies like that fuck peoples entire life over.

Duke Lacrosse team anybody?

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

This seems like a sensible ruling based on the assumption of innocence until guilt is proved beyond reasonable doubt.
The young men have not been convicted for any crime, which I guess gives them reasonable grounds for appealing the suspension, but it's rather weak of the university not to have any means of protecting its reputation with a an escape clause permitting it to take such action on suspicion of guilt.
My guess is that the woman went out-of-court because prosecutors advised her to do so (probably because they couldn't confidently get a conviction), which means it would be highly likely that a condition of the settlement would be no further pursuit of criminal responsibility.
A sad case for all involved. Agree with IParryU that women shouldn't be able to destroy people's lives so easily, but disagree that dressing like a slut deserves rape. No behavior, not even severe dick teasing for hours on end, deserves rape. Rape is up there in the seriously fucked crime zone together with murder, genocide, pedophilia and not separating your garbage properly for mine.

[matsuki]

Agree with IParryU that women shouldn't be able to destroy people's lives so easily, but disagree that dressing like a slut deserves rape. No behavior, not even severe dick teasing for hours on end, deserves rape. Rape is up there in the seriously fucked crime zone together with murder, genocide, pedophilia and not separating your garbage properly for mine.

I don't think he was saying that dressing like a slut deserves rape as much as that dressing like a slut, being a cock tease, getting drunk, banged and then claiming rape is a cop-out for the female. He's saying they should take responsibility for their actions as well.

I think I posted here that I once had some loud stupid bitch scream rape while in my apartment. (as a reaction to me telling her to keep her voice down) I forced her out of my place immediately (which probably saved me from all kinds of trouble) but one can imagine what kind of poopoo I could have been in had she continued her BS all the way to court. She got wasted with me and came back to my place instead of going off with her friends...you don't do that unless you want to bang. Of course I didn't force anything on her and I kicked her bitch ass out as soon as she got really crazy but I can imagine the same situation with a much larger, drunk guy that would have his way regardless of how she felt. It's still rape but I wouldn't have any sympathy for her UNLESS she was waay young and just too damn naive to have read between the lines.

On a different tangent, I've met at least 3 nurses here that have been gang-banged by coworker, doctors, etc. (All consented gang bang, and in one case, apparently a bragging point?) With the shit pay doctors get here, gang bangs seem like the only motivation they got going for them!

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I think I posted here that I once had some loud stupid bitch scream rape while in my apartment. (as a reaction to me telling her to keep her voice down) I forced her out of my place immediately (which probably saved me from all kinds of trouble) but one can imagine what kind of poopoo I could have been in had she continued her BS all the way to court. She got wasted with me and came back to my place instead of going off with her friends...you don't do that unless you want to bang. Of course I didn't force anything on her and I kicked her bitch ass out as soon as she got really crazy but I can imagine the same situation with a much larger, drunk guy that would have his way regardless of how she felt. It's still rape but I wouldn't have any sympathy for her UNLESS she was waay young and just too damn naive to have read between the lines.

My sympathies here, too. There are waaaaaaay too many women who use sex as a weapon like this, and legal systems in most cuntries support them.

Then again, rape cases are way too tough on the victims. Don't know what the answer should be.

On a different tangent, I've met at least 3 nurses here that have been gang-banged by coworker, doctors, etc. (All consented gang bang, and in one case, apparently a bragging point?) With the shit pay doctors get here, gang bangs seem like the only motivation they got going for them!

Lucky buggers.....I'm in absolute lust with one of the nurses at the hospital I go to....does me blood pressure in every time.

[matsuki]

Lucky buggers.....I'm in absolute lust with one of the nurses at the hospital I go to....does me blood pressure in every time.

Give her a try, you might be surprised...I have yet to meet a nurse I couldn't bang with ease (though some that became stalkers after )Only thing holding me back from a few more is this new product presenter/spokes girl I met earlier this month. She sold me on her products and now I'm addicted

[Proxy]

.....I'm in absolute lust with one of the nurses at the hospital I go to....does me blood pressure in every time.

get ill a lot, do ya?

or is it the luuuuv sickness that brings you in?

[Coligny]

Give her a try, you might be surprised...I have yet to meet a nurse I couldn't bang with ease (though some that became stalkers after )Only thing holding me back from a few more is this new product presenter/spokes girl I met earlier this month. She sold me on her products and now I'm addicted

Fook... i'm so much drowned in the game that I can't even smile to a nurse in the region without dadinlaw knowing it before i'm back from the hospital...

Le suck...

(ok, the car and I drive slow... but still)

[legion]

Duke Lacrosse team anybody?

how about super free instead

[FG Lurker]

just because a girl has had too much alcohol to say no doesn't mean she's said yes, in my humble O.

If the female in question was force-fed alcohol or drugs to get her legs open then I agree. If a woman has too much to drink and then does something she regrets the next day? Tough shit. She chose to drink, she (better than anyone else!) knows how she behaves/thinks when drinking/drunk. Personal responsibility.

The news stories that especially make me angry are the ones where both parties are drunk off their asses yet somehow it's the male's fault that they ended up shagging! Seriously fucked up.

[Proxy]

If the female in question was force-fed alcohol or drugs to get her legs open then I agree. If a woman has too much to drink and then does something she regrets the next day? Tough shit. She chose to drink, she (better than anyone else!) knows how she behaves/thinks when drinking/drunk. Personal responsibility.

well, yeah.
date rape is often a way of avoiding one's personal responsibility, is it not?
but personal responsibility will always have a political and social context. that, to me, is where the haze settles in.....

[FG Lurker]

well, yeah.
date rape is often a way of avoiding one's personal responsibility, is it not?
but personal responsibility will always have a political and social context. that, to me, is where the haze settles in.....

Western women: We want to be equals, except when it benefits us not to be.

[AssKissinger]

Y'all are funny. Didn't your mothers teach you that the whole damn crew ain't supposed to fuck the girl that's too drunk to walk?

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Y'all are funny. Didn't your mothers teach you that the whole damn crew ain't supposed to fuck the girl that's too drunk to walk?

Actually, I think that's probably how I even ended up having a mother in the first place...

[Mike Oxlong]

It's interesting how a restaurant that serves alcohol to a customer who later drives drunk and is arrested for DUI can be held to share responsiblility, but cannot in a case like this...

[Greji]

Y'all are funny. Didn't your mothers teach you that the whole damn crew ain't supposed to fuck the girl that's too drunk to walk?

One consideration might be that if they're too drunk to walk, they're easier for us old guys to catch....But, in answer to your question, me mum was never sober enough to give advice.....

[IparryU]

Western women: We want to be equals, except when it benefits us not to be.

ya, that is complete bullshit. it will never end though.

[GomiGirl]

Western women: We want to be equals, except when it benefits us not to be.

Hey - not cool FGL. That sort of generalisation is unfair and untrue for all.

[Greji]

Hey - not cool FGL. That sort of generalisation is unfair and untrue for all.

Lurk be fair. If it is only 98% of all women, say so. Don't say "all women"..... Isn't that better GG?

[Proxy]

ya, that is complete bullshit. it will never end though.

i dunno, cuz....this from the same guy who suggested that a girl who dresses provocatively is asking for it?

[IparryU]

i dunno, cuz....this from the same guy who suggested that a girl who dresses provocatively is asking for it?

ok jackass i didn't say asking for it or try to "Rationalize rape" (piss off anonymous red snotter), but if you show yourself off you might get more than you might want.

Sort of like going to a bar and acting like a hard ass, wearing Tap Out gear, and talking all tough. Someone might just try to beat the shit out of you. Of course, you as a person might just want to wear that cool looking MMA gear and have a tough guy attitude, but have no intention to fight at all. But if someone runs up on you and starts a fight, people will say that you deserve it.

Like wise, you get a girl wearing some skimpy cloths, flirting about, and is piss drunk, many men will try to hump it. It is quite common and whoever tries to deny that is just plain out ignorant. Does she deserve to get raped? No. Does it seem as if she may possibly give it up? Yes, and many guys are stupid enough to fall for it.

Moral of story, if you don't want a specific outcome, don't do shit that may lead up to it. End of story.

[Typhoon]

Hey - not cool FGL. That sort of generalisation is unfair and untrue for all.

Indeed.

My impression is that the attitude "Western women: We want to be equals, except when it benefits us not to be." is mainly a upper N America phenomena as opposed to, say, Mexico, continental Europe and S America.

The difference summed up as

US: I'm a WOMAN [insert name of profession here]
Rest of World: I'm a [insert name of profession here] who is also a woman.

[IparryU]

Indeed.

My impression is that the attitude "Western women: We want to be equals, except when it benefits us not to be." is mainly a upper N America phenomena as opposed to, say, Mexico, continental Europe and S America.

The difference summed up as

US: I'm a WOMAN [insert name of profession here]
Rest of World: I'm a [insert name of profession here] who is also a woman.

very nice insight... but other than Japan, Korea, and Philipina women, I dont know any other ROW women.

Very nice way for a women to state it though, Yank chicks are pretty hard headed at times compared to others I would guess...

[Proxy]

ok jackass i didn't say asking for it or try to "Rationalize rape" (piss off anonymous red snotter), but if you show yourself off you might get more than you might want.

Sort of like going to a bar and acting like a hard ass, wearing Tap Out gear, and talking all tough. Someone might just try to beat the shit out of you. Of course, you as a person might just want to wear that cool looking MMA gear and have a tough guy attitude, but have no intention to fight at all. But if someone runs up on you and starts a fight, people will say that you deserve it.

Like wise, you get a girl wearing some skimpy cloths, flirting about, and is piss drunk, many men will try to hump it. It is quite common and whoever tries to deny that is just plain out ignorant. Does she deserve to get raped? No. Does it seem as if she may possibly give it up? Yes, and many guys are stupid enough to fall for it.

Moral of story, if you don't want a specific outcome, don't do shit that may lead up to it. End of story.

i know you didn't mean to equate the experience of a douchebag in a bar being picked on to a woman being cruised for sexual violation.....*that* would be a very jackassish thing to do.

but point taken....

[Coligny]

Moral of story, if you don't want a specific outcome, don't do shit that may lead up to it. End of story.

If you don't want to be called a cop don't wear a police uniform...
If you don't want to be asked to put out a fire don't wear fireman clothes...
If you don't want to be asked how much you take for a blowjob don't dress like a hooker.

To make things even more complicate, from what I read aboot the US judicial system. You will not be prosecuted for raping a prostitute, you will be prosecuted for theft of service. (which usually carry a heavier sentence)

[Proxy]

You will not be prosecuted for raping a prostitute, you will be prosecuted for theft of service. (which usually carry a heavier sentence)

D'OH!

[IparryU]

To make things even more complicate, from what I read aboot the US judicial system. You will not be prosecuted for raping a prostitute, you will be prosecuted for theft of service. (which usually carry a heavier sentence)

the prostitutes usually do that to get out of court settlements. anyone who usually buys a hoe has a job and sometimes have a family too... so they pay out quite quick and at a higher rate than they would have before.