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Coligny wrote:And again... 787 (maybe) on fire... but foamed up like the real deal...
That thing is a Ford Pinto with wings...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23294760
wagyl wrote:Coligny wrote:And again... 787 (maybe) on fire... but foamed up like the real deal...
That thing is a Ford Pinto with wings...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23294760
Together with the rare sighting of a multiple sentence paragraph on the BBC site!
“The incident has undermined the country’s credibility,” Kwon said in the interview in Sejong, near Seoul. “We need to reexamine our regulations and come up with stricter rules to regain that confidence.”
Four officials from the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, the Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing will be in Seoul later this month or early August to review Asiana’s training programs and meet government officials, Kwon said.
Fatal Crashes
After three fatal crashes between 1997 and 1999, South Korea adopted stricter regulations, including appointing safety inspectors who periodically check whether airlines follow rules, he said. Carriers have also hired more foreign pilots to improve communication within the cockpit.
“Hiring foreign pilots has helped ease the hierarchy that existed in the cockpit,” Kwon said. “Communication among the pilots has improved a lot.”
A Korean Air Lines Co. (003490) Boeing 747 struck a hilltop in Guam on Aug. 6, 1997, killing 228 of the 254 people aboard. The NTSB said the co-pilot and flight engineer failed to monitor the captain, who had gotten too low, and found Korean Air’s training “inadequate.”
Among the more than 2,000 pilots Korean carriers hired in the past five years, 24 percent were foreigners while 29 percent came from the military, Kwon said.
chokonen888 wrote:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-16/south-korea-plans-stricter-rules-in-3-months-after-asiana-crash.html
Why can't Japan do shit like this...“The incident has undermined the country’s credibility,” Kwon said in the interview in Sejong, near Seoul. “We need to reexamine our regulations and come up with stricter rules to regain that confidence.”
Four officials from the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, the Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing will be in Seoul later this month or early August to review Asiana’s training programs and meet government officials, Kwon said.
Fatal Crashes
After three fatal crashes between 1997 and 1999, South Korea adopted stricter regulations, including appointing safety inspectors who periodically check whether airlines follow rules, he said. Carriers have also hired more foreign pilots to improve communication within the cockpit.
“Hiring foreign pilots has helped ease the hierarchy that existed in the cockpit,” Kwon said. “Communication among the pilots has improved a lot.”
A Korean Air Lines Co. (003490) Boeing 747 struck a hilltop in Guam on Aug. 6, 1997, killing 228 of the 254 people aboard. The NTSB said the co-pilot and flight engineer failed to monitor the captain, who had gotten too low, and found Korean Air’s training “inadequate.”
Among the more than 2,000 pilots Korean carriers hired in the past five years, 24 percent were foreigners while 29 percent came from the military, Kwon said.
chokonen888 wrote:The way the article reads, they improved since the action was taken. I'm more saying "in general" that Korea is actually admitting "Korean culture" (well, without saying it) resulted in less than ideal communication and hierarchy within the cockpit and the solution was to hire more foreign pilots. They actually followed through and claim the introduction of foreigners improved the communication and hierarchy. I've known far more Koreans to be crazy nationalistic than Japanese but if even they can get over the "our culture is superior" BS and bring in foreigners to dissolve the status quo, why can't Japan?
Hell, the first statement admits there is a problem and they need to take action...then they go on to set a reasonable timeline for review (about 3 months) while stating they are considering even more foreign pilots as part of the solution. Can you imagine Japan doing something like this?
Mike Oxlong wrote:chokonen888 wrote:The way the article reads, they improved since the action was taken. I'm more saying "in general" that Korea is actually admitting "Korean culture" (well, without saying it) resulted in less than ideal communication and hierarchy within the cockpit and the solution was to hire more foreign pilots. They actually followed through and claim the introduction of foreigners improved the communication and hierarchy. I've known far more Koreans to be crazy nationalistic than Japanese but if even they can get over the "our culture is superior" BS and bring in foreigners to dissolve the status quo, why can't Japan?
Hell, the first statement admits there is a problem and they need to take action...then they go on to set a reasonable timeline for review (about 3 months) while stating they are considering even more foreign pilots as part of the solution. Can you imagine Japan doing something like this?
Not really, can't imagine Japan doing that, other than in a scapegoat/patsie sort of role. But, still more likely to use a J-airline when the same route is serviced by both a K and a J-bird...
chokonen888 wrote:Mike Oxlong wrote:chokonen888 wrote:The way the article reads, they improved since the action was taken. I'm more saying "in general" that Korea is actually admitting "Korean culture" (well, without saying it) resulted in less than ideal communication and hierarchy within the cockpit and the solution was to hire more foreign pilots. They actually followed through and claim the introduction of foreigners improved the communication and hierarchy. I've known far more Koreans to be crazy nationalistic than Japanese but if even they can get over the "our culture is superior" BS and bring in foreigners to dissolve the status quo, why can't Japan?
Hell, the first statement admits there is a problem and they need to take action...then they go on to set a reasonable timeline for review (about 3 months) while stating they are considering even more foreign pilots as part of the solution. Can you imagine Japan doing something like this?
Not really, can't imagine Japan doing that, other than in a scapegoat/patsie sort of role. But, still more likely to use a J-airline when the same route is serviced by both a K and a J-bird...
...and I keep using Singapore. Fuck ANA at any price and I'm sure JAL is nice but too pricey....whereas Singapore never fails to keep me happy when flying.
Mike Oxlong wrote:chokonen888 wrote:Mike Oxlong wrote:chokonen888 wrote:The way the article reads, they improved since the action was taken. I'm more saying "in general" that Korea is actually admitting "Korean culture" (well, without saying it) resulted in less than ideal communication and hierarchy within the cockpit and the solution was to hire more foreign pilots. They actually followed through and claim the introduction of foreigners improved the communication and hierarchy. I've known far more Koreans to be crazy nationalistic than Japanese but if even they can get over the "our culture is superior" BS and bring in foreigners to dissolve the status quo, why can't Japan?
Hell, the first statement admits there is a problem and they need to take action...then they go on to set a reasonable timeline for review (about 3 months) while stating they are considering even more foreign pilots as part of the solution. Can you imagine Japan doing something like this?
Not really, can't imagine Japan doing that, other than in a scapegoat/patsie sort of role. But, still more likely to use a J-airline when the same route is serviced by both a K and a J-bird...
...and I keep using Singapore. Fuck ANA at any price and I'm sure JAL is nice but too pricey....whereas Singapore never fails to keep me happy when flying.
I hear the same sentiments uttered by many who fly the left coast-land of wa routes.
wagyl wrote:Russell wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:yanpa wrote:Crew names sound Chinese though:
Ho Lee Fuk! That's NOT a Photoshop job!
No, but it's a prank from a summer intern at the NTSB.
I'm not sure that is the full story. Here is the TV channel's apology (and I would have hoped that those names would have rung some bells in the more Asian-diversity-aware San Francisco Bay area, but I suppose we are talking about Oakland). It is not entirely clear where they got the names from at first. They say that they rang the National Transportation Safety Board to verify the names, only spelling them out. The person who they got through to when they called who verified the information was the summer intern, but they don't state in unequivocal words who the source is (unless it is standard procedure for a Fox News affiliate to "verify" by confirming with the source only.) Note that they say their mistake was was not getting the name, rank and serial number of the NTSB drone, not that their mistake was in verifying insufficiently per se.
Mike Oxlong wrote:These names damaged Asiana's sterling reputation as a world leader in "almost landing planes"...
Asiana Airlines to Sue California TV Station for "Racist Fake Pilot Names"
wagyl wrote:Mike Oxlong wrote:These names damaged Asiana's sterling reputation as a world leader in "almost landing planes"...
Asiana Airlines to Sue California TV Station for "Racist Fake Pilot Names"
I honestly cannot fathom what damage to the reputation of a company there is in (being negligently falsely represented as) having employees with ridiculous names, and it opens a number of cans of worms: do people with ridiculous names become unemployable? Can the employer force them to change their names? However, I am keeping my popcorn warm.
Coligny wrote:wagyl wrote:Mike Oxlong wrote:These names damaged Asiana's sterling reputation as a world leader in "almost landing planes"...
Asiana Airlines to Sue California TV Station for "Racist Fake Pilot Names"
I honestly cannot fathom what damage to the reputation of a company there is in (being negligently falsely represented as) having employees with ridiculous names, and it opens a number of cans of worms: do people with ridiculous names become unemployable? Can the employer force them to change their names? However, I am keeping my popcorn warm.
Compared to crashing a fucking plane because your pilots are push button goons only... seriously WTF...
They all admitted that their pilot lack's in ability to manually fly planes...
FFS... my sister have spend 10 year in a plane where the only electronic device was her music sensitive ipod dildo plug...
chokonen888 wrote:What a joke...if anything, the pilots would have benefited from not having their real names broadcast.
Too bad they weren't Japanese...
Hitashi Waru
Tsuro Kurashi
Ooshita Maimisu
On the bright side, the Dreamliner fleet made it a whole nine days without a major incident [Scary]
wagyl wrote:I honestly cannot fathom what damage to the reputation of a company there is in (being negligently falsely represented as) having employees with ridiculous names, and it opens a number of cans of worms: do people with ridiculous names become unemployable? Can the employer force them to change their names? However, I am keeping my popcorn warm.
The South Korean air carrier said that KTVU-TV has already apologized for using fake names for four pilots on a plane that crashed in San Francisco on July 6. It will no longer sue, as it had said it would do.
Asiana says it wants to focus on supporting passengers and families.
In an on-air apology the same day, KTVU anchor Frank Somerville explained that "we never read the names out loud, phonetically sounding them out." The station, he said, spoke with someone at the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the names. The agency later revealed that an NTSB intern had confirmed the fake pilot names (the intern was subsequently fired also).
All Nippon Airways Co. delayed a Wednesday flight from Tokyo’s Haneda airport to Frankfurt for about 1 hour and 40 minutes due to a problem in the wiring of a fire extinguisher for an engine on one of its Boeing 787 Dreamliner twin-jets.
ANA found similar wiring problems in two other aircraft after checking all 20 of its Boeing 787s, while Japan Airlines Co. returned a Helsinki-bound Dreamliner to Narita for a check after receiving notification of the problem.
The problems were found in the control system of the fire extinguishers near the front cargo bay. If a fire were to occur in one of the jetliner’s two engines, extinguishers may erroneously target the other engine, ANA said.
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Russell wrote:ANA finds problem in wiring of Boeing 787All Nippon Airways Co. delayed a Wednesday flight from Tokyo’s Haneda airport to Frankfurt for about 1 hour and 40 minutes due to a problem in the wiring of a fire extinguisher for an engine on one of its Boeing 787 Dreamliner twin-jets.
ANA found similar wiring problems in two other aircraft after checking all 20 of its Boeing 787s, while Japan Airlines Co. returned a Helsinki-bound Dreamliner to Narita for a check after receiving notification of the problem.
The problems were found in the control system of the fire extinguishers near the front cargo bay. If a fire were to occur in one of the jetliner’s two engines, extinguishers may erroneously target the other engine, ANA said.
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Imagine that: one of your engines shuts down because of a fire, and the other shuts down because of the resulting fire extinguishing...
Coligny wrote:And again... 787 (maybe) on fire... but foamed up like the real deal...
That thing is a Ford Pinto with wings...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23294760
For the most part, industry experts have termed these events as typical “teething problems” of the new passenger plane. “This should be no surprise whatsoever,” Andrew Thomas, author of Soft Landing: Airline Industry Strategy, Service, and Safety, told the Christian Science Monitor after January’s battery fires. “Every new complex collection of systems – and the Dreamliner is certainly that – will experience unknowns.”
Tsuru wrote:*head explodes*
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