DST+2

[Coligny]

http://ex-skf.blogspot.jp/2013/05/idios ... tokyo.html

While their reason to move clocks forward 2 hours are a turd sandwich cover with vomit icing.

It would be awesome to have the sun going up at 7 instead of 5...

[Taro Toporific]

http://ex-skf.blogspot.jp/2013/05/idiosyncratic-japan-governor-of-tokyo.html
It would be awesome to have the sun going up at 7 instead of 5...

YES!
About this time every year, I have to hang bamboo sun shades outside my already-curtained windows just to get some sleep past 5am.

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[Samurai_Jerk]

They're just cock teasing us with all these good ideas that will never actually be implemented like 24-hour trains and a reasonable time zone. Next thing you know someone will propose fully integrated 24-hour ATM network. Yeah, riiiiiiiiiight.

[pallidknight]

How is the electricity situation over there? Switching to DST is going to waste a lot of electricity.
- http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/03/ ... ectricity/
- http://phys.org/news187946326.html
- http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post ... 515c8a27c6

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

They're just cock teasing us with all these good ideas that will never actually be implemented like 24-hour trains and a reasonable time zone. Next thing you know someone will propose fully integrated 24-hour ATM network. Yeah, riiiiiiiiiight.

I'd be perfectly happy just to have express lanes for small quantity purchases at supermarkets.

[yanpa]

Those are called "convenience stores".

[Coligny]

How is the electricity situation over there? Switching to DST is going to waste a lot of electricity.
- http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/03/ ... ectricity/
- http://phys.org/news187946326.html
- http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post ... 515c8a27c6

3 links all referring to the same case... tied to the specific daily temperature profile in Indianna...

Hardly making a case against Moving the japanese clock 2 hours forward.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

DST will never happen again in Japan....Look at the way most people react when garbage disposal rules are not rigidly adhered to. Or when you cross a road even when there's a red light because there're no cars around. It'll be bewilderment, obstinate refusal to adjust and then fierce opposition....the same thing that happens to any sort of substantial change proposed in this cuntry (unless it's related to further whitewashing of past misdeeds.

[Samurai_Jerk]

DST will never happen again in Japan....Look at the way most people react when garbage disposal rules are not rigidly adhered to. Or when you cross a road even when there's a red light because there're no cars around. It'll be bewilderment, obstinate refusal to adjust and then fierce opposition....the same thing that happens to any sort of substantial change proposed in this cuntry (unless it's related to further whitewashing of past misdeeds.

What he's proposing isn't DST, it's a permanent 2-hour shift in time zone. I don't think that will ever happen but I do think it's a good idea. It's funny because I've always thought the time zone here should be shifted by 2 hours because even in winter the sun comes up too early and the short summer days are just fucking depressing. Daylight till 9PM+ in the Summer is one of the things I miss most about the US.

Anyway, imagine the weeks of endless announcements and speaker trucks leading up to the time change every year if they did implement DST here.

[matsuki]

DST will never happen again in Japan....Look at the way most people react when garbage disposal rules are not rigidly adhered to. Or when you cross a road even when there's a red light because there're no cars around. It'll be bewilderment, obstinate refusal to adjust and then fierce opposition....the same thing that happens to any sort of substantial change proposed in this cuntry (unless it's related to further whitewashing of past misdeeds.

You forget....they're selling it with a completely idiotic reason....I think it has a chance!!


That being said, how off is Japanese time now? You know....like from back in the days when noon meant the sun was supposedly directly overhead??

[Coligny]

I think an indiun would find this quite easily... shadow and all...

[GomiGirl]

DST will never happen again in Japan....Look at the way most people react when garbage disposal rules are not rigidly adhered to. Or when you cross a road even when there's a red light because there're no cars around. It'll be bewilderment, obstinate refusal to adjust and then fierce opposition....the same thing that happens to any sort of substantial change proposed in this cuntry (unless it's related to further whitewashing of past misdeeds.

What he's proposing isn't DST, it's a permanent 2-hour shift in time zone. I don't think that will ever happen but I do think it's a good idea. It's funny because I've always thought the time zone here should be shifted by 2 hours because even in winter the sun comes up too early and the short summer days are just fucking depressing. Daylight till 9PM+ in the Summer is one of the things I miss most about the US.

Anyway, imagine the weeks of endless announcements and speaker trucks leading up to the time change every year if they did implement DST here.

I absolutely agree that Japan is in the wrong timezone. I am not sure about the extremities of the country, but for us here in the middle. it is insane that the sun rises at 4am in Summer and sets at 4:30pm in Winter. Two hours might be a little extreme but certainly one hour for all year around and then DST for summer would be brilliant.

All this nonsense about people not leaving work while the sun is shining is rot... things run by the clock here.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

What he's proposing isn't DST, it's a permanent 2-hour shift in time zone. I don't think that will ever happen but I do think it's a good idea. It's funny because I've always thought the time zone here should be shifted by 2 hours because even in winter the sun comes up too early and the short summer days are just fucking depressing. Daylight till 9PM+ in the Summer is one of the things I miss most about the US.

Ah, great minds. He's right, you're right and it's never gonna fucken happen.

[Coligny]

What he's proposing isn't DST, it's a permanent 2-hour shift in time zone. I don't think that will ever happen but I do think it's a good idea. It's funny because I've always thought the time zone here should be shifted by 2 hours because even in winter the sun comes up too early and the short summer days are just fucking depressing. Daylight till 9PM+ in the Summer is one of the things I miss most about the US.

Ah, great minds. He's right, you're right and it's never gonna fucken happen.

Frack you guys, between the financial egoistical reason, the pseudo no nuke no enuf electricity and fooking common sense maybe one can hope...

Meanwhile I will campaign the city hall to establish the "Toyohashi Natural Time" or TNT at GMT+11

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Frack you guys, between the financial egoistical reason, the pseudo no nuke no enuf electricity and fooking common sense maybe one can hope...

I admire your hope, but if you have hope, especially for change, you haven't been in Japan long enough.

[Russell]

You can never have enough of a good thing.

They should move day time not 2 hours ahead but 12 hours.

That'll fit perfectly with my type of person.

Oh wait, then they will be lagging behind some markets...

[wagyl]

Meanwhile I will campaign the city hall to establish the "Toyohashi Natural Time" or TNT at GMT+11

I thought you had your lifestyle more or less fixed that you can set your own time. Sure, the shops will seem to open later and the TV shows will be behind schedule, but there is nothing stopping you getting up two hours earlier if you like.

[Russell]

Meanwhile I will campaign the city hall to establish the "Toyohashi Natural Time" or TNT at GMT+11

I thought you had your lifestyle more or less fixed that you can set your own time. Sure, the shops will seem to open later and the TV shows will be behind schedule, but there is nothing stopping you getting up two hours earlier if you like.

Yeah, but doesn't he have to adjust to his wife's working hours?!?

[Coligny]

Yeah, personnally despite my love of watches and clock I could go without any time...

But the cats now wake up at 4:30 for breakfeast...
then dere's me bitch to drive to work...
dentist appointment's
McMorning last order time

and so on... I can barely manage all di's stress...

[Russell]

So, there are quite a few comments on Japan Today suggesting to open the Tokyo stock exchange 2 hours earlier instead.

Why did nobody on FG think about that?

[yanpa]

Anyone who wants to trade shares out-of-hours can do it anyway...

[pallidknight]

Hardly making a case against Moving the japanese clock 2 hours forward.

The third article listed other reasons.

[Russell]

Hardly making a case against Moving the japanese clock 2 hours forward.

The third article listed other reasons.

of which one very good reason against DST is:

1. It wastes air conditioning. In the fall, we're essentially using an extra hour of sunlight in the evening. But in warmer climates, that means more energy is used on air conditioning.

[Coligny]

Hardly making a case against Moving the japanese clock 2 hours forward.

The third article listed other reasons.

of which one very good reason against DST is:

1. It wastes air conditioning. In the fall, we're essentially using an extra hour of sunlight in the evening. But in warmer climates, that means more energy is used on air conditioning.

And somehow that apply to Japan ? No matter how you set up the opening time in summer... for shops it won't change anything. At home, not much either. We are not in a sand desert country where it's insanely hot by day and insanely cold at night. Japanese hellish summer is hot and humid 24h/24...
The only difference with DST (which is not the topic anyway, since it's aboot moving forward 2h all year long) it that in the evening instead of aircon+light you might just need aircon...

But hey... if a pseudo-study in a podunk state in the US spread over 2 timezones with a summer as high as 32º say DST is bad, it's certainly a universal truth... after all god's ch00zen country can do no wrong...

[Mike Oxlong]

And somehow that apply to Japan ? No matter how you set up the opening time in summer... for shops it won't change anything. At home, not much either. We are not in a sand desert country where it's insanely hot by day and insanely cold at night. Japanese hellish summer is hot and humid 24h/24...

Yeah, with nighttime lows averaging two degrees Centigrade cooler than daytime from May to October here, a/c is just "on" whenever one is home or in an office.

[canman]

Good God, those geniuses on Japan Today have brought up the "cows will be confused when to give milk" argument if we change the time.
Pardon my ignorance, but what would the benefit be if the Tokyo stock exchange opened earlier than Sydney? I could see if it was London, or New York, and nothing against our Aussie friends, but I didn't think the Sydney stock exchange was that big.
Coming from Canada, and having lived in Edmonton to almost 2 years, I think DST is the only thing that kept those people sane during the long dark winters. Sunlight til almost 10pm, bright until 11pm, was great. I would love to see them move us by 2 hours and just leave it there permanently.

[Coligny]

Good God, those geniuses on Japan Today have brought up the "cows will be confused when to give milk" argument if we change the time.

Argument are like sex opportunities... when there is a shortage... you'd use anything remotely looking like a hole... no matter how ridiculous it is or the amount of shame it will bring... Having the last word no matter how stupid it is is the most important thing... (Cf: anything counter argued by Damn Name or the the pro-fukushima-meltdown apologists)