Back in the house b*tch! (J-Wify wants it that way)

[Coligny]

Dood, quails eggs and cabbage are the 2 biggest (agri)cultural exports of the Big T... So when there is overproduction they are more than happy to do giveways rather than having to pay for destroying the stocks.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Reality check time.

Japan cut its target for women in leadership positions from 30% to 7%

For years Japan’s government has been touting a goal to increase the number of women in senior jobs, both in the private and public sectors. In 2003, then-prime minister Junichiro Koizumi proposed the goal of having 30% women in leadership roles by 2020. Current prime minister Shinzo Abe seized on the target, and it’s been a key feature of his “Abenomics” plans to grow the economy.

Meanwhile, though, women have continued to be held back by Japan’s deeply sexist culture. Last week, the government’s gender equality bureau caved in to reality and adjusted the goal to a more realistic 7% by 2021.

There were early signs that 30% goal might be too ambitious. In April 2014 Japan’s labor ministry promised to pay firms to promote women to senior jobs. By September of this year, it admitted that not one company took up the offer. Many executives, meanwhile, openly doubted the goal could be met. Among them was Nissan chief executive Carlos Ghosn (one of the more progressive executives in Japan), who last summer said that 10% of top jobs filled by women by the end of March 2017 was a more realistic goal for his company. And as of this summer, women held just 3.1% of the board seats (paywall) among Japan’s 30 largest companies.

[matsuki]

There were early signs that 30% goal might be too ambitious. In April 2014 Japan’s labor ministry promised to pay firms to promote women to senior jobs. By September of this year, it admitted that not one company took up the offer.

[Takechanpoo]

most of j-women dont have enough passion, aggression and toughness to be a stressful long-time-working management.
it has not been changed since a long time ago.
just look at this bitch

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"ok..so...lets use a woman as a portrait of bill. coz some crazy feminists splurk as hell "
and this bitch, who just wrote 2 or 3 short novels which is not worth to read, was selected among all of past j-women who contributed to j-society to some extent. if she was a man, it can NOT be adopted as a portrait of the bill. j-women dont have power without woman quota arranged by men.

[kurogane]

That description was eerily resonant of most Japanese men: can't cook, can't keep their underwear clean, can't run an economy except into the ground. But allowing for change would require courage and open mindedness, and those are two items which the women can't hope to challenge the lack of amongst their wimpier half.

[inflames]

The easiest way to solve the problem would just be to require companies to have female managers and to pay some tax penalty otherwise (this is already done for the disabled, although just in general employment). Companies will bitch and moan but it'll get done. Plus what's the worst that could happen? Incompetent managers in Japanese companies?

[Samurai_Jerk]

The easiest way to solve the problem would just be to require companies to have female managers and to pay some tax penalty otherwise (this is already done for the disabled, although just in general employment). Companies will bitch and moan but it'll get done. Plus what's the worst that could happen? Incompetent managers in Japanese companies?

That's not going to help if most women aren't looking for careers. Forget about management. Some companies have been trying really hard to increase the % of women in the workforce for years to the point of giving female candidates preference and putting a moratorium on hiring men in certain roles but they haven't been able hit their goals.

[kurogane]

I oppose penalties and that just because it leads to flagrant tokenism, but SJ pointed out what I think is the really big issue: an incredible number of the girls have simply opted out. That is a real shame both for squishy Facebook Social Justice Warrior reasons, but also because we all know how much energy and talent they would inject into the floating corpse if actually given some power and authority. Which is probably a big if unconscious factor amongst the Yawa-chins in charge. 15-25% of genuine female corporate executive participation would kickstart this place like a firecracker up a donkey's patooty. I would regret the passing of the comedic potential of the Oompa Loompocracy, but I would be happy to do so quietly.

[Grumpy Gramps]

If in 25 years of "defla" not even the prices have gone down in Japan, then nothing goes down in Japan, no matter if it's a boy or a girl.

And, honestly, if you could just put your feet on the table and have your money brought to you by your own salariman pwned by you, what would you want a bloody job for? In a bloody J-company?

[Coligny]

And, honestly, if you could just put your feet on the table and have your money brought to you by your own salariman pwned by you, what would you want a bloody job for? In a bloody J-company?

Quoted for truce...

And I still want mah Mercobenz damnit...

[matsuki]

The easiest way to solve the problem would just be to require companies to have female managers and to pay some tax penalty otherwise (this is already done for the disabled, although just in general employment). Companies will bitch and moan but it'll get done.

Plus what's the worst that could happen? Incompetent managers in Japanese companies?

[American Oyaji]

The problem is Japanese women opting out and WHY they are opting out.

It's the CULTURE of forcing Japanese women out after they reach a certain age or get pregnant.

THAT is what must be attacked and a penalizing of companies that do this. Anything else is just a sop to the idea of equality or progress.

[Samurai_Jerk]

The problem is Japanese women opting out and WHY they are opting out.

It's the CULTURE of forcing Japanese women out after they reach a certain age or get pregnant.

THAT is what must be attacked and a penalizing of companies that do this. Anything else is just a sop to the idea of equality or progress.

It's a workplace culture problem and one that also existed in the West till the law was used to change it (and I'm not claiming the West has perfected it). I wonder if the problem in Japan is there are no rules in the labor standards to protect women who get pregnant or if the rules aren't enforced which we all know seems to be pretty common here.

I believe that even if you give women here more flexibility, maternity leave, etc. you're still going to have problems getting them to join the workforce though. That doesn't mean I don't think they should try.

[wagyl]

It can be a double edged sword. Speak frankly with women in the Nordic countries and you will find many of them are not entirely happy that they feel forced to participate in the workforce. Sure, there is universal childcare but not everyone wants to deliver their children up to strangers in an institution. It is not just the economic pressure of practically requiring two incomes to raise a family in those countries, there is also a societal pressure: a stay-at-home mother there is regarded much like a stay-at-home father in other countries. Lazy shits.

The unresolved and maybe unresolvable issue here is providing the workforce, male and female, with choice, while not rewarding or punishing those who make one choice or another.

[Samurai_Jerk]

It can be a double edged sword. Speak frankly with women in the Nordic countries and you will find many of them are not entirely happy that they feel forced to participate in the workforce. Sure, there is universal childcare but not everyone wants to deliver their children up to strangers in an institution. It is not just the economic pressure of practically requiring two incomes to raise a family in those countries, there is also a societal pressure: a stay-at-home mother there is regarded much like a stay-at-home father in other countries. Lazy shits.

The unresolved and maybe unresolvable issue here is providing the workforce, male and female, with choice, while not rewarding or punishing those who make one choice or another.

So I've heard. I do think people need to give up on the idea they can "have it all." There also has to be compromise somewhere when you try to balance family with your career. It it's a bigger issue for women than it is for men in general that may be unfortunate but biology isn't fair.

[kurogane]

I do think people need to give up on the idea they can "have it all."

I think that is a huge and mostly unexamined factor. The amount of shit that people have come to 'need' in the past 20 years has skyrocketed, and that must be a huge constant drain on income security. Anyways, I toats agree in spirit with American Oyaji, but I do disagree that penalties are a viable solution. I think it's the wrong way, and they are unlikely to be enforced anyways. Like Wagyl said: choice, and dialling back on the tut tutting, finger wagging and back biting would go a long way to relieve the social obstacles to greater workforce participation, even if is staggered or punctuated, or long-term partial. Women do almost all the work that reproduces labour power, both daily and generationally. What gets to me is how much how many Japanese men resent them for that obvious fact, and do whatever they can to make them pay for it. They seem to hate them because they need them, especially all the little Mommy's boys that can't cook or even wipe their own bums.

A touch of enabling legislation, and a whole shedload of daycare options would go a long way in myhomo, but I am not convinced it is feasible. The main change needed is one of attitude: don't punish women that choose to stay at home, and don't punish women that choose or need to go back to work. Actually getting around to understanding how the internet can work for work wouldn't hurt either. Maybe I should send out a fax circular outlining some proposals? Most people still have their pocket bells linked to their fax numbers, surely?

PS what did We used to call a "pocket bell".............??? .........................................................................................got it. Pager.

[Takechanpoo]

why do guys stick to child-rearing in their homes so much? no need to be particular about rearing your children by yourselves just because you produced it. there is a tradition of 学童保育(after-school activity) in japan. its known that the children growing up with it is more sociable than the ones grwoing up in parents house. 学童保育, which is currently restricted to elementary school children, should be expanded to infant.
if i were woman, i would select a superior sperm in sperm bank and soon leave the baby in the facility just after finishing to produce and also leave all of the rearing him/her to the professional rearers until the baby become middle teen.

[wagyl]

if i were woman, i would select a superior sperm in sperm bank and soon leave the baby in the facility just after finishing to produce and also leave all of the rearing him/her to the professional rearers until the baby become middle teen.

Well, as a man, you can always donate and get a surrogate to do all that inconvenient gestation stuff. Because the mid-teens are the all time most fun time to be around your offspring!

Spending time around your young kid, however frustrating and exasperating it is at times, has got to be much more rewarding than making tea and doing the filing and photocopying for the fat lazy fucks at the office. Or scanning stuff through a cash register.

[matsuki]

Actually getting around to understanding how the internet can work for work wouldn't hurt either. Maybe I should send out a fax circular outlining some proposals? Most people still have their pocket bells linked to their fax numbers, surely?

PS what did We used to call a "pocket bell".............??? .........................................................................................got it. Pager.

THIS

It's happening, albeit slowly, but TIJ...

[inflames]

The easiest way to solve the problem would just be to require companies to have female managers and to pay some tax penalty otherwise (this is already done for the disabled, although just in general employment). Companies will bitch and moan but it'll get done. Plus what's the worst that could happen? Incompetent managers in Japanese companies?

That's not going to help if most women aren't looking for careers. Forget about management. Some companies have been trying really hard to increase the % of women in the workforce for years to the point of giving female candidates preference and putting a moratorium on hiring men in certain roles but they haven't been able hit their goals.

When most women aren't looking for careers, very few things will help them.

I'm an engineer (by training) as is my mother. When I was in university, my basic chemistry professor was an assistant dean who had been teaching there since the early 60s. One day he was talking to us and said in the 60s and 70s, he would have teams answer chemistry questions, and the teams would be sorted by gender (3 or 4 women against 25 men), but that the women always won, as the requirements for a woman to be admitted to an engineering program were much higher than men - engineering was men's work, so women had to prove they really knew their stuff.

I see Japan and I have no qualms saying the situation is almost the same - if you're a woman, the odds are simply stacked against you. Setting up a quota (or some other minimum requirements) would force companies to take some action to address their issues (which cause women to quit).

[Yokohammer]

The easiest way to solve the problem would just be to require companies to have female managers and to pay some tax penalty otherwise (this is already done for the disabled, although just in general employment). Companies will bitch and moan but it'll get done. Plus what's the worst that could happen? Incompetent managers in Japanese companies?

That's not going to help if most women aren't looking for careers. Forget about management. Some companies have been trying really hard to increase the % of women in the workforce for years to the point of giving female candidates preference and putting a moratorium on hiring men in certain roles but they haven't been able hit their goals.

When most women aren't looking for careers, very few things will help them.

I'm an engineer (by training) as is my mother. When I was in university, my basic chemistry professor was an assistant dean who had been teaching there since the early 60s. One day he was talking to us and said in the 60s and 70s, he would have teams answer chemistry questions, and the teams would be sorted by gender (3 or 4 women against 25 men), but that the women always won, as the requirements for a woman to be admitted to an engineering program were much higher than men - engineering was men's work, so women had to prove they really knew their stuff.

I see Japan and I have no qualms saying the situation is almost the same - if you're a woman, the odds are simply stacked against you. Setting up a quota (or some other minimum requirements) would force companies to take some action to address their issues (which cause women to quit).

And then a woman like Haruko Obokata comes along and all the men say: "Yappari, naaa ..."

[matsuki]

Situation is the same as in J-universities are pumping out skilled engineers? Female or not, I think engineering here is one field that's so in demand that there aren't the usual odds stacked against them.

[Tsuru]

Everyone and their dog is trying to get into STEM these days... but the problem is that in most good courses fewer than 10% of the people who start in year 1 actually make it to a degree. And that's with >95% boys... people who start a STEM course only because they think the money and job prospects are good rarely make it to the finish line, and even if they do the good employers still weed them out anyway because all they did in college is study for tests to earn credits, and nothing else.

[Takechanpoo]

in addition to their passiveness and high tendency of risk avoidance, the reason why most of j-women are not interested in succeeding in career woman is that they grew up to see their mother and the generations women enjoying an easygoing life as a full-time housewife while driving their husband a no-life hardworking slave. in fact the approx 60 % or more(i think)of younger j-women still think want to become a full-time housewife.

[inflames]

Situation is the same as in J-universities are pumping out skilled engineers? Female or not, I think engineering here is one field that's so in demand that there aren't the usual odds stacked against them.

Situation the same as in the hurdles for advancement (or even being realistically considered) in Japan are much higher for women (actually, I'll say anybody who isn't a Japanese male).

One of the unis I teach at is an engineering school - you can see how shit would add up. There are no female role models and few female engineering professors (some humanities ones), so there's nobody to talk to when you need help. In addition, guys aren't even aware that doing stuff like talking about porn, jerking off, and sex could completely be considered sexual harassment.

[matsuki]

in addition to their passiveness and high tendency of risk avoidance, the reason why most of j-women are not interested in succeeding in career woman is that they grew up to see their mother and the generations women enjoying an easygoing life as a full-time housewife while driving their husband a no-life hardworking slave. in fact the approx 60 % or more(i think)of younger j-women still think want to become a full-time housewife.

I've seen some lazy, probably cheating, entitled bitch housewives here....but they seem to be a minority to the overbearing, always busy, housewife, who doesn't have much of a life besides watching dramas and the local gossip.

[Samurai_Jerk]

always busy, housewife, who doesn't have much of a life besides watching dramas and the local gossip.

Wouldn't someone who's always busy have no time for TV and gossip?

[matsuki]

always busy, housewife, who doesn't have much of a life besides watching dramas and the local gossip.

Wouldn't someone who's always busy have no time for TV and gossip?

Folding laundry with the TV on and gossiping with other moms when taking the kids to school/events/etc.

[wagyl]

The foreign guys just moan about their life and how they are better citizens than the locals online. That is better than gossiping in person.

[matsuki]

The foreign guys just moan about their life and how they are better citizens than the locals online. That is better than gossiping in person.

Foreign but a citizen? That is something to moan about