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Postby Russell » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:26 pm

Furniture magnate fails to oust daughter in family feud

A bitter family feud at a leading Japanese furniture chain [IDC Otsuka] took a dramatic turn on Friday as its acid-tongued founder failed to oust his own daughter as president after a highly charged shareholder vote.

The spat has captured headlines for weeks as 71-year-old Katsuhisa Otsuka gave his daughter a public dressing down last month, saying he was sorry for having a “bad child” who committed “terrorism” with her tit-for-tat bid to boot him from the board of Otsuka Kagu.

On Friday, investors cast their vote on the duelling proposals with 61% backing daughter Kumiko, 47, to stay in the top job, a result that the older Otsuka blasted as treasonous.

Flanked by his wife and a slate of male executives supporting his bid, the company’s chairman introduced himself as the man “dethroned as president in a coup d’etat.”

“What have I done wrong? If anything, it was in appointing her as CEO six years ago,” he said. “I’m disappointed.”

By contrast, his stone-faced daughter apologised to shareholders for the family tempest, saying the company needed to improve its governance standards and rebuild a brand that stretches back four decades.

Otsuka, a former cabinet salesman, started the Tokyo-based chain in 1969.

“One day, members of the founding family need to leave their company. This is the only way companies can survive,” his daughter told shareholders.

The fight erupted when Kumiko, a former consultant, was dismissed in July last year after five years running the company - she was credited with turning it around by moving away from her father’s business model.

The elder Otsuka took over running the company for six months - later saying it was a mistake to appoint his daughter as president - but the board re-installed Kumiko in the job as the firm suffered its first loss in four years.

The pair were deeply split over the future of the chain’s membership-driven business that focuses on premium furniture and customer service.

Interior design consultants roam the shops to help customers at 16 storefront locations across Japan, in sharp contrast to local rival Nitori and Sweden’s IKEA, which focus on do-it-yourself budget furniture.

Otsuka’s earnings have waned over the past decade in the face of rising competition from its budget rivals, but the father refused to abandon the chain’s strategy.

That view got little support at the meeting on Friday where some shareholders said changing the decades-old formula was crucial.

“The chairman’s way of running the… stores is outdated - I came here hoping there would be a change” in management, said one 75-year-old investor.

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Some interesting reader's comments:

Himajin wrote:We have one in Kobe, we've bought a couple of pieces there. You have to register, and you're assigned a staff person who accompanies you while you shop. A lot of the furnishings are imported from the U.S. or England and they kind of wow you with the displays, but few can afford those prices, and with the furniture from England (enormous sofas and desks) or fit the pieces into their houses. Of course all of the furniture isn't that expensive, or big, but the atmosphere contributes to the feeling that you should only go if you're going to do serious shopping, or if you want to just browse you should go elsewhere. They have reasonably-priced furniture but the over-the-top stuff has dominated for decades. This kind of business model, ie., extreme pampering of the customer, and guiding them through their purchases, and the snob appeal of registration, appealed to those of my in-laws' generation.

I like the fact that they have designers on staff, but more good quality, mid-priced furniture and less baby-sitting by staff would be great, and I think that the daughter is trying to take it in that direction. She has been redoing the store layouts, getting rid of the imposing check-in desks, and making the floor plans more open. Prices have come down too. I think she's doing the right thing.

And (where did I see this name before?)...

Cyka Enkabaani UchuuJin wrote:As a manufacturer of Danish design furniture, we found their style under Kumiko unacceptable and fired them last year as dealer. There's no doubt that they have a place in the everyman furniture market, but they use brands like the one I work for to showcase, and then lead people to the cheaper stuff, which is where they make their money. They also discount 10% off RRP set by manufacturers, which prompts people to go browse and try in other dealers and then go to IDC for the best price. A practise which has made them hated among other dealers in the country. The reason many get the feeling that it's not a place to browse is because they assume you've already seen what you want elsewhere and come to them for the sale.

It will be interesting to see her next move. IDC have severely dropped in quality the last few years, even on the higher end items. Perhaps the PR generated from this public dispute though may help them a little.
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Postby Takechanpoo » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:07 pm

the younger generation here, the more hate and avoid stalking style of staff serving. actually also around me almost all of guys do hate it. and younger generation here doesnt afford expensive kagus, as you do know. on the other hand wealthy dankai (babyboomer) generation of jiji and baba, who are misers loving to save, also dont buy expensive furnitures too because they are going to die soon. :lol: small profits and quick returns direction just makes them throw themselves into excessive competition. either way, dead end.
personally im satisfied with Muji

btw russian manufacturing danish(or scandinavian?) style furniture?
it sounds like chinese or korean managing japanese restaurant
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Postby Coligny » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:44 pm

Went there once, we had quite a laugh at the prices... Especially as cat people...

Back then were doing all furniture shopping in komaki discount or second hand furniture shops...

Since then... Old cardboard box do just fine... (I could build our own if she called a company to remove the old broken junk... But not a priority it seems...)
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Postby Russell » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:49 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:the younger generation here, the more hate and avoid stalking style of staff serving. actually also around me almost all of guys do hate it. and younger generation here doesnt afford expensive kagus, as you do know. on the other hand wealthy dankai (babyboomer) generation of jiji and baba, who are misers loving to save, also dont buy expensive furnitures too because they are going to die soon. :lol: small profits and quick returns direction just makes them throw themselves into excessive competition. either way, dead end.
personally im satisfied with Muji

And off I was to the local Muji (just back), be it to buy some stationary goods.

Haven't been there before, and couldn't find what I wanted, but I took a look at the limited selection of furniture they had.

To be honest, I was a bit disappointed. It looked not better than Ikea stuff, but prices seemed to be higher. Design of the shop was good, though, and they were at a prime location (which may be the reason why their prices were a bit high).

Back to Otsuka Kagu, I've shopped there only once, for a mattress. They have a wide variety of those, and prices seemed to be OK. The guy who was assigned to accompany me in the shop soon lost track when I cruised around to take a look at their furniture collection without me wanting to listen to all his "special advices". Anyway, he sold me a mattress...
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Postby Cyka UchuuJin » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:16 pm

IDC has their place in the market, I'm sure they'll be fine. Her style is not one that the higher end manufacturers, especially the European ones, wants to do business with though. And they are very unoriginal, they go to Actus and then copy whatever they're doing.

There is one up side to this though, the guy I want to steal from them may now be available, since he was in Otsuka Sr's camp.
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Postby Coligny » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:09 pm

Russell wrote:
Back to Otsuka Kagu, I've shopped there only once, for a mattress. They have a wide variety of those, and prices seemed to be OK. The guy who was assigned to accompany me in the shop soon lost track when I cruised around to take a look at their furniture collection without me wanting to listen to all his "special advices". Anyway, he sold me a mattress...


They sell KeiJidoosha benchseats ? Hope they have scotchguard options...
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Postby Russell » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:31 pm

Coligny wrote:
Russell wrote:
Back to Otsuka Kagu, I've shopped there only once, for a mattress. They have a wide variety of those, and prices seemed to be OK. The guy who was assigned to accompany me in the shop soon lost track when I cruised around to take a look at their furniture collection without me wanting to listen to all his "special advices". Anyway, he sold me a mattress...


They sell KeiJidoosha benchseats ? Hope they have scotchguard options...

KeiJidoosha come with seats.

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Postby Coligny » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:32 am

Cyka UchuuJin wrote:IDC has their place in the market, I'm sure they'll be fine. Her style is not one that the higher end manufacturers, especially the European ones, wants to do business with though. And they are very unoriginal, they go to Actus and then copy whatever they're doing.

There is one up side to this though, the guy I want to steal from them may now be available, since he was in Otsuka Sr's camp.


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Postby Cyka UchuuJin » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:14 pm

Coligny wrote:
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:IDC has their place in the market, I'm sure they'll be fine. Her style is not one that the higher end manufacturers, especially the European ones, wants to do business with though. And they are very unoriginal, they go to Actus and then copy whatever they're doing.

There is one up side to this though, the guy I want to steal from them may now be available, since he was in Otsuka Sr's camp.


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Postby Coligny » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:39 pm

Damn girl, you are worse than my sister...
Better drop few bottles of viagra too i suppose...
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Postby inflames » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:55 pm

A few weeks ago one of my students (a part timer) said she went to Otsuka Kagu and bought two chairs for 90,000 yen. I thought she said 19,000 and she corrected herself to say she bought the chairs for 180,000 yen, or 90,000 each.

In 2008 I furnished (no appliances) a 1K for less than 90,000 yen with stuff from Ikea (that is still around).
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Postby Coligny » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:00 pm

Ten years ago, 1 table 4 chairs all hardwood, 2.5 man in second hand shop. Added bonus The lacker and rounded feets make them impervious to cat claws...

Now if you want the worst quality for the worstest price search no farther (or further ? HALP) than furniture dome...
And their flat pack stuff makes Ikea look like luxury stuff...
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Postby Russell » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:08 pm

I was wondering in all this whether someone has ever bought furniture made in the prison. Seems to be low price.

Any experiences?
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Postby Coligny » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:31 pm

You think Choko have insider deals ?

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Postby Yokohammer » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:50 pm

If you can find a place that sells "seconds" you can get some superb stuff really cheap.

There's a company called Matsumoto Kagu in Soma, just across the border into Fukushima, that has what they call an "ABC Outlet" store where they sell slightly damaged stuff. I mean slightly damaged (and no, not radioactive). Usually it's something like a tiny scratch that has to be pointed out or you won't even see it.

We've bought a few nice things there. One cabinet that retails for close to 90,000 was less than 30,000 because it had one of those almost invisible scratches on it. We'd do more damage to the thing in the first day and a half of ownership.

But Ikea ... does nothing for me. Spent a while browsing and didn't find a single item I'd want. Nittori has more useful and attractive items at good prices.
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Postby Cyka UchuuJin » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:25 pm

Yokohammer wrote:If you can find a place that sells "seconds" you can get some superb stuff really cheap.

There's a company called Matsumoto Kagu in Soma, just across the border into Fukushima, that has what they call an "ABC Outlet" store where they sell slightly damaged stuff. I mean slightly damaged (and no, not radioactive). Usually it's something like a tiny scratch that has to be pointed out or you won't even see it.

We've bought a few nice things there. One cabinet that retails for close to 90,000 was less than 30,000 because it had one of those almost invisible scratches on it. We'd do more damage to the thing in the first day and a half of ownership.

But Ikea ... does nothing for me. Spent a while browsing and didn't find a single item I'd want. Nittori has more useful and attractive items at good prices.


Hammer, remember our little venture to Otsuka Kagu? :) They've actually gone deeper into the 'look at this beautiful stuff, now we'll show you the cheap crap from China' game.
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Postby Yokohammer » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:36 pm

Cyka UchuuJin wrote:Hammer, remember our little venture to Otsuka Kagu? :) They've actually gone deeper into the 'look at this beautiful stuff, now we'll show you the cheap crap from China' game.

Of course I remember our little kagu scouting trip. That was kinda fun, but I really didn't like the attended sales thing, even then. They had some decent stuff though. I received a phone call from the guy who steered us around that day a month or two later, to see if I had made a decision yet. I think I told him I had decided to buy a bunch of stuff elsewhere. Who needs a bubbly store in a post-bubble economy?

Anyway, I have a feeling their little family fracas might be the beginning of the end. Not that I think they'll go out of business, but they will probably face an uphill battle to gain traction in the market again.
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Postby Cyka UchuuJin » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:46 pm

Yokohammer wrote:
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:Hammer, remember our little venture to Otsuka Kagu? :) They've actually gone deeper into the 'look at this beautiful stuff, now we'll show you the cheap crap from China' game.

Of course I remember our little kagu scouting trip. That was kinda fun, but I really didn't like the attended sales thing, even then. They had some decent stuff though. I received a phone call from the guy who steered us around that day a month or two later, to see if I had made a decision yet. I think I told him I had decided to buy a bunch of stuff elsewhere. Who needs a bubbly store in a post-bubble economy?

Anyway, I have a feeling their little family fracas might be the beginning of the end. Not that I think they'll go out of business, but they will probably face an uphill battle to gain traction in the market again.


Wow, they are that invasive to call people? Ugh!

I think it can go either way. it may help business some, since her MO is to have cheap furniture. The whole place has a cheap air to it though, it's gotten worse in the year since we fired them last year as well. They struggle to keep a high profile image, all the interviews she does has our furniture in the background, although they have no more stock of it. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
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Postby Russell » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:21 pm

Yokohammer wrote:If you can find a place that sells "seconds" you can get some superb stuff really cheap.

There's a company called Matsumoto Kagu in Soma, just across the border into Fukushima, that has what they call an "ABC Outlet" store where they sell slightly damaged stuff. I mean slightly damaged (and no, not radioactive). Usually it's something like a tiny scratch that has to be pointed out or you won't even see it.

We've bought a few nice things there. One cabinet that retails for close to 90,000 was less than 30,000 because it had one of those almost invisible scratches on it. We'd do more damage to the thing in the first day and a half of ownership.

But Ikea ... does nothing for me. Spent a while browsing and didn't find a single item I'd want. Nittori has more useful and attractive items at good prices.

Hammer, I wonder whether there is a web page of those ABC Outlets. They only one I get sells outlet shoes. Is this the same store?
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Postby Yokohammer » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:28 pm

Russell wrote:Hammer, I wonder whether there is a web page of those ABC Outlets. They only one I get sells outlet shoes. Is this the same store?

All I can find is the Mapion link for the Soma store, and similar. There seem to be other related ABC Outlet furniture stores in Miyagi though.

There's some info about some of their other stores here: http://www.matsumoto-kagu.jp/company.html
Scroll down for a couple of their ABC Outlets.

EDIT: Whoops, the first ABC store you come across when you scroll down the linked page is the Soma one.
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Postby Russell » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:58 pm

Yokohammer wrote:
Russell wrote:Hammer, I wonder whether there is a web page of those ABC Outlets. They only one I get sells outlet shoes. Is this the same store?

All I can find is the Mapion link for the Soma store, and similar. There seem to be other related ABC Outlet furniture stores in Miyagi though.

There's some info about some of their other stores here: http://www.matsumoto-kagu.jp/company.html
Scroll down for a couple of their ABC Outlets.

EDIT: Whoops, the first ABC store you come across when you scroll down the linked page is the Soma one.

Thanks.

Looks like they have only stores in Tohoku, unfortunately.
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Postby Yokohammer » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:44 am

Russell wrote:Thanks.

Looks like they have only stores in Tohoku, unfortunately.

Yes. Matsumoto is a Tohoku chain, but my point was that surely there would be stores like that just about everywhere. You just have to find your local.

Or you could simply move up here! Problem solved!


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Postby Coligny » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:13 am

Yokohammer wrote:
Russell wrote:Thanks.

Looks like they have only stores in Tohoku, unfortunately.

Yes. Matsumoto is a Tohoku chain, but my point was that surely there would be stores like that just about everywhere. You just have to find your local.

Or you could simply move up here! Problem solved!


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Coligny wrote:
Yokohammer wrote:
Russell wrote:Thanks.

Looks like they have only stores in Tohoku, unfortunately.

Yes. Matsumoto is a Tohoku chain, but my point was that surely there would be stores like that just about everywhere. You just have to find your local.

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They know japanese import drivers love to bolt the square jplates over the euro rectangular ones...

Sort of like this:

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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:56 am

inflames wrote:A few weeks ago one of my students (a part timer) said she went to Otsuka Kagu and bought two chairs for 90,000 yen. I thought she said 19,000 and she corrected herself to say she bought the chairs for 180,000 yen, or 90,000 each.

In 2008 I furnished (no appliances) a 1K for less than 90,000 yen with stuff from Ikea (that is still around).


You can't just compare price. If you're paying for really high quality furniture it's going to cost more. However, the stuff I saw at Otsuka was way too expensive for what it was. Admittedly that was just the showroom stuff but 180,000 yen for one of these in pastel colors seemed a bit over the top.

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Postby Cyka UchuuJin » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:02 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
inflames wrote:A few weeks ago one of my students (a part timer) said she went to Otsuka Kagu and bought two chairs for 90,000 yen. I thought she said 19,000 and she corrected herself to say she bought the chairs for 180,000 yen, or 90,000 each.

In 2008 I furnished (no appliances) a 1K for less than 90,000 yen with stuff from Ikea (that is still around).


You can't just compare price. If you're paying for really high quality furniture it's going to cost more. However, the stuff I saw at Otsuka was way too expensive for what it was. Admittedly that was just the showroom stuff but 180,000 yen for one of these in pastel colors seemed a bit over the top.

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But it is still 10% off other retailers! (which is why everyone in the biz hates them)
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Postby matsuki » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:25 pm

I thought Japan was pretty rampant with price fixing. At least in the stuff I distribute, you won't be able to get new dealers if they know they have to compete with your current dealers offer (gasp, teeth suck) DISCOUNTS! :o
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Re: Otsuka Kagu

Postby Coligny » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:40 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
inflames wrote:A few weeks ago one of my students (a part timer) said she went to Otsuka Kagu and bought two chairs for 90,000 yen. I thought she said 19,000 and she corrected herself to say she bought the chairs for 180,000 yen, or 90,000 each.

In 2008 I furnished (no appliances) a 1K for less than 90,000 yen with stuff from Ikea (that is still around).


You can't just compare price. If you're paying for really high quality furniture it's going to cost more. However, the stuff I saw at Otsuka was way too expensive for what it was. Admittedly that was just the showroom stuff but 180,000 yen for one of these in pastel colors seemed a bit over the top.

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Maybe it was a WWE combat chair ?
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