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It's official: Hookers don't count

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:19 am

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Judge rules that sleeping with a prostitute isn’t adultery

In Japan, it isn’t cheating as long as you pay for it.

A judge in Tokyo ruled Monday that having an affair with someone who’s married cannot be considered adultery if it involves the exchange of money.

“Even if the wife is disgusted by the act, it does not constitute a legal offense,” Judge Masamitsu Shiseki said after ruling that a bar hostess who had a seven-year affair with a rich businessman could not be blamed for breaking up his marriage.

“The defendant had sexual relations with her patron only for business . . . and such conduct does not damage peaceful marital life,” Shiseki wrote in his ruling.

“Many club hostesses, as is well known, engage in ‘pillow business,’ and these ‘pillow business’ sales, which are similar to prostitution, involve no more than engaging in sex for the purpose of satisfying their customers’ sexual urges.”

The issue was initially sparked due to another bizarre Japanese law, which gives a spouse the right to claim financial compensation for adultery from the person their husband or wife has been cheating with. Officials claim the measure is supposed to protect the institution of marriage.
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Re: It's official: Hookers don't count

Postby Grumpy Gramps » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:51 am

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Re: It's official: Hookers don't count

Postby Salty » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:02 am

So if you are into your secretary, coworker, boss, subordinate, neighbor, or just about anyone else – make sure that you leave a few notes behind so that you can claim it was justly paid for. Might even want to take a selfie of that transaction – just don`t let your spouse see it until the trial.
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Re: It's official: Hookers don't count

Postby matsuki » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:50 am

....and so the "it's not like that honey! She's a whore!" defense is born.
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Re: It's official: Hookers don't count

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:54 am

While I don't necessarily agree with the idea of being able to sue your spouse's lover, I wouldn't call it bizarre.

What's the deal with that anyway? Don't you have to prove the other man/woman knew about the marriage?
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Postby matsuki » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:09 am

Samurai_Jerk wrote:While I don't necessarily agree with the idea of being able to sue your spouse's lover, I wouldn't call it bizarre.

What's the deal with that anyway? Don't you have to prove the other man/woman knew about the marriage?


The only cases I know about personally, the cheater was harassed into paying off the girl he cheated on. Probably would never have held up in court but when you have the chick and her family showing up at your workplace and talking shit to you, your boss, etc. (I dunno if there was any violence or objects thrown) many tend to pay off the jilted ex to get her out of their hair.
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Postby Russell » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:11 am

So, if two married persons (but not married to each other) have an affair, will they be off the hook when they pay each other for sex?
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Re: It's official: Hookers don't count

Postby Yokohammer » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:13 am

I'm going to guess there are some vested interests going on here.
Like, the judge has some ""experience."
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Re: It's official: Hookers don't count

Postby matsuki » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:22 am

Yokohammer wrote:I'm going to guess there are some vested interests going on here.
Like, the judge has some ""experience."


Of course, nothing wrong with doing a lil side "business."
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Postby Grumpy Gramps » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:46 pm

So if I'd start an affair with a rich lady but not pay her, then wifey could sue her and clean out her bank account so we could share the proceedings of my "hard" work? Sounds like a business plan. Do it three of four times and then retire. :)
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Re: It's official: Hookers don't count

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:54 pm

Grumpy Gramps wrote:So if I'd start an affair with a rich lady but not pay her, then wifey could sue her and clean out her bank account so we could share the proceedings of my "hard" work? Sounds like a business plan. Do it three of four times and then retire. :)


An ex-girlfriend and I hatched a similar plan (only half jokingly) back in the day. She was a hostess in Ginza and a very rich (I'm talking fuck you rich) regular wanted to marry her. I told her go ahead and then get divorced in a few years so we can get married and live off his money. She pointed out that she'd have to fuck him while they were married and wondered if I'd be OK with that. The answer was of course yes as long I could could fuck whoever I wanted during that time. Our relationship didn't last for some reason.
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Re: It's official: Hookers don't count

Postby matsuki » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:08 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
Grumpy Gramps wrote:So if I'd start an affair with a rich lady but not pay her, then wifey could sue her and clean out her bank account so we could share the proceedings of my "hard" work? Sounds like a business plan. Do it three of four times and then retire. :)


An ex-girlfriend and I hatched a similar plan (only half jokingly) back in the day. She was a hostess in Ginza and a very rich (I'm talking fuck you rich) regular wanted to marry her. I told her go ahead and then get divorced in a few years so we can get married and live off his money. She pointed out that she'd have to fuck him while they were married and wondered if I'd be OK with that. The answer was of course yes as long I could could fuck whoever I wanted during that time. Our relationship didn't last for some reason.


Since you've probably been through as much, if not more hostesses than me...have you noticed many of them are hooked on 睡眠薬?(also a good sign they're crazy)
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Postby wagyl » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:27 pm

Matsuki, you mean just the fact that they are in that industry isn't a bit of a sign?
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Postby matsuki » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:32 pm

wagyl wrote:Matsuki, you mean just the fact that they are in that industry isn't a bit of a sign?


Not to discount that thought, but I do know a few that are in that industry/doing similar jobs to pay for their single mama , disowned by shitty parents, rebuilding themselves lifestyle...they're not mental and definitely would prefer not to be working there.
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Re: It's official: Hookers don't count

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:46 pm

matsuki wrote:
Samurai_Jerk wrote:
Grumpy Gramps wrote:So if I'd start an affair with a rich lady but not pay her, then wifey could sue her and clean out her bank account so we could share the proceedings of my "hard" work? Sounds like a business plan. Do it three of four times and then retire. :)


An ex-girlfriend and I hatched a similar plan (only half jokingly) back in the day. She was a hostess in Ginza and a very rich (I'm talking fuck you rich) regular wanted to marry her. I told her go ahead and then get divorced in a few years so we can get married and live off his money. She pointed out that she'd have to fuck him while they were married and wondered if I'd be OK with that. The answer was of course yes as long I could could fuck whoever I wanted during that time. Our relationship didn't last for some reason.


Since you've probably been through as much, if not more hostesses than me...have you noticed many of them are hooked on 睡眠薬?(also a good sign they're crazy)


The only one I had a relationship with wasn't on drugs or (too) crazy. The others have just been one night stand/fuck buddy type situations so I don't actually know anything about them. One of them was definitely crazy though.
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Postby matsuki » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:56 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
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Samurai_Jerk wrote:
Grumpy Gramps wrote:So if I'd start an affair with a rich lady but not pay her, then wifey could sue her and clean out her bank account so we could share the proceedings of my "hard" work? Sounds like a business plan. Do it three of four times and then retire. :)


An ex-girlfriend and I hatched a similar plan (only half jokingly) back in the day. She was a hostess in Ginza and a very rich (I'm talking fuck you rich) regular wanted to marry her. I told her go ahead and then get divorced in a few years so we can get married and live off his money. She pointed out that she'd have to fuck him while they were married and wondered if I'd be OK with that. The answer was of course yes as long I could could fuck whoever I wanted during that time. Our relationship didn't last for some reason.


Since you've probably been through as much, if not more hostesses than me...have you noticed many of them are hooked on 睡眠薬?(also a good sign they're crazy)


The only one I had a relationship with wasn't on drugs or (too) crazy. The others have just been one night stand/fuck buddy type situations so I don't actually know anything about them. One of them was definitely crazy though.


Well, if you crash with them and they're taking pills before bed, it's pretty obvious. Did "cancer scare" ever come after you again?
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Postby Coligny » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:07 pm

If they OD during the night can you keep the corpse ?

... Just asking...
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Postby matsuki » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:12 pm

Coligny wrote:If they OD during the night can you keep the corpse ?

... Just asking...


Why keep it when there is such a market for that kind of thing here....and seeing how it's already at the love hotel :twisted:
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Postby yanpa » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:04 pm

Coligny wrote:If they OD during the night can you keep the corpse ?


Only if you have a bathtub full of sand on your balcony.
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Postby Coligny » Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:27 pm

yanpa wrote:
Coligny wrote:If they OD during the night can you keep the corpse ?


Only if you have a bathtub full of sand on your balcony.


Would cat litter box do ?
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Postby chibaka » Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:33 am

So if it isn't cheating, is it tax deductible?
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Postby inflames » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:03 am

chibaka wrote:So if it isn't cheating, is it tax deductible?

Only if you put it on your CC and it comes across as a somewhat legitimate looking place (seriously, use a CC at a love hotel and it comes across as some random name).
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Postby kurogane » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:19 am

Yeah, I think my old usual place came out as Nakagawa Shougyou or somethng like that. And just in case he's not joking only do that if you're self-employed or occupationally bulletproof. Or occupationally suicidal.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:11 pm

Some recent ball-busting from some female friends reminded me that the hookers-don't-count philosophy extends beyond marriage. Some chicks I know were calling me a yari-chin because of a few one night stands I've had over the years that they know about. These aren't cases where I've pumped and dumped their good friends or anything like that so it wasn't personal. Anyway, what I found funny about that is they've never said anything to my friends who talk openly about going to Yoshiwara or getting hookers in Worst Korea or SE Asia.

I guess it's like the difference between murder and killing enemy soldiers during war. I'm not sure where collateral damage fits in though.
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Postby Coligny » Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:08 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Some recent ball-busting from some female friends reminded me that the hookers-don't-count philosophy extends beyond marriage. Some chicks I know were calling me a yari-chin because of a few one night stands I've had over the years that they know about. These aren't cases where I've pumped and dumped their good friends or anything like that so it wasn't personal. Anyway, what I found funny about that is they've never said anything to my friends who talk openly about going to Yoshiwara or getting hookers in Worst Korea or SE Asia.

I guess it's like the difference between murder and killing enemy soldiers during war. I'm not sure where collateral damage fits in though.


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Postby matsuki » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:45 pm

Judging by all the married J-dudes I've run into here, banging their way through Bangkok, the "different country, don't count rule" is in full effect.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:53 pm

matsuki wrote:Judging by all the married J-dudes I've run into here, banging their way through Bangkok, the "different country, don't count rule" is in full effect.


I think that's true for married dudes anywhere.
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Postby matsuki » Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:21 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
matsuki wrote:Judging by all the married J-dudes I've run into here, banging their way through Bangkok, the "different country, don't count rule" is in full effect.


I think that's true for married dudes anywhere.


True...but going to bang hookers with your co-workers as a bonding exercise seems to be almost a requirement for J-companies. I've even heard from some older J-womens that they've gone out with the guys. :shock:
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Postby wagyl » Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:04 pm

matsuki wrote:True...but going to bang hookers with your co-workers as a bonding exercise seems to be almost a requirement for J-companies.

I have heard similar stories, admittedly from back in the bubble years, but the stories I have heard also seem to relate to the same industry you are in. That may be just a coincidence, or maybe that industry sector has an easier time getting away with that. I do not, however, get the impression it is universal.
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