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wagyl wrote:It doesn't have to involve practices culturally distasteful to the West.
Wage Slave wrote:Why would they need to steal the virus from an American or Canadian lab? Don't they have the world's natural reservoir of corona viruses, including the SARS type, down south in those caves in Yunan? And a long history of going down there, collecting bats, bringing them home and studying the viruses?
And anyway isn't the Wuhan lab supposed to be level 4? And BTW video guy, approx 20 kilometres from the market rather than 380 metres.
\Mike Oxlong wrote:Wage Slave wrote:Why would they need to steal the virus from an American or Canadian lab? Don't they have the world's natural reservoir of corona viruses, including the SARS type, down south in those caves in Yunan? And a long history of going down there, collecting bats, bringing them home and studying the viruses?
And anyway isn't the Wuhan lab supposed to be level 4? And BTW video guy, approx 20 kilometres from the market rather than 380 metres.
There are two labs. The Wuhan Center for Disease Control is 280 metres from the wet market, and The Wuhan Institute of Virology is 12 kilometres from the market. The bats were housed at the WCDC, while the level 4 facility is at the WIV.
Wage Slave wrote:
Wage Slave wrote:\Mike Oxlong wrote:Wage Slave wrote:Why would they need to steal the virus from an American or Canadian lab? Don't they have the world's natural reservoir of corona viruses, including the SARS type, down south in those caves in Yunan? And a long history of going down there, collecting bats, bringing them home and studying the viruses?
And anyway isn't the Wuhan lab supposed to be level 4? And BTW video guy, approx 20 kilometres from the market rather than 380 metres.
There are two labs. The Wuhan Center for Disease Control is 280 metres from the wet market, and The Wuhan Institute of Virology is 12 kilometres from the market. The bats were housed at the WCDC, while the level 4 facility is at the WIV.
12 miles rather than kilometres I think I saw. Although I see some other sources say 20 miles. Anyway, why would they have to raid a facility in the USA or Canada to get their hands on this virus when south China has always been the source of corona SARS virus? And if they did raid a lab in the US or Canada for the virus, why would they then keep it in the less secure facility when they have a L4 facility a short distance away?
Russell wrote:Wage Slave wrote:
Wage Slave, you kind of assume that all scientists underwrite the version that the Chinese government is trying to sell us, isn't it?
Wage Slave wrote:Russell wrote:Wage Slave wrote:
Wage Slave, you kind of assume that all scientists underwrite the version that the Chinese government is trying to sell us, isn't it?
I don't think so. I just don't understand why they would nick a virus from the US or Canada when they have the source so much closer and have been studying it.
Mike Oxlong wrote:Wage Slave wrote:\Mike Oxlong wrote:Wage Slave wrote:Why would they need to steal the virus from an American or Canadian lab? Don't they have the world's natural reservoir of corona viruses, including the SARS type, down south in those caves in Yunan? And a long history of going down there, collecting bats, bringing them home and studying the viruses?
And anyway isn't the Wuhan lab supposed to be level 4? And BTW video guy, approx 20 kilometres from the market rather than 380 metres.
There are two labs. The Wuhan Center for Disease Control is 280 metres from the wet market, and The Wuhan Institute of Virology is 12 kilometres from the market. The bats were housed at the WCDC, while the level 4 facility is at the WIV.
12 miles rather than kilometres I think I saw. Although I see some other sources say 20 miles. Anyway, why would they have to raid a facility in the USA or Canada to get their hands on this virus when south China has always been the source of corona SARS virus? And if they did raid a lab in the US or Canada for the virus, why would they then keep it in the less secure facility when they have a L4 facility a short distance away?
There was a case last year where a couple of Chinese scientists working at Canada's National Microbiology Lab were dismissed and investigated by the RCMP for improper transfer of intellectual property. It was speculated that they had sent coronavirus samples to China. We don't know what they were stealing from the news reports. Data, material, who knows what.
Yes, media sources seem to disagree about the distance, though the most commonly reported distance is 12 km.
Why would the Chinese cut corners? OK Dude...
A research doc at a lab I used to work at buried radioactive isotopes out in a field rather than go through the complicated procedures required officially.
yanpa wrote:OTOH: https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/01/ ... bioweapon/
yanpa wrote:OTOH: https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/01/ ... bioweapon/
In a commentary piece about this study, National Institutes of Health Director Francis Collins wrote “this study leaves little room to refute a natural origin for COVID-19.” Though researchers do not yet have a clear idea of the exact origin or evolutionary history of SARS-CoV-2, the authors of the Nature Medicine paper provide two potential scenarios, described here by Collins:
In the first scenario, as the new coronavirus evolved in its natural hosts, possibly bats or pangolins, its spike proteins mutated to bind to molecules similar in structure to the human ACE2 protein, thereby enabling it to infect human cells. This scenario seems to fit other recent outbreaks of coronavirus-caused disease in humans, such as SARS, which arose from cat-like civets; and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), which arose from camels.
The second scenario is that the new coronavirus crossed from animals into humans before it became capable of causing human disease. Then, as a result of gradual evolutionary changes over years or perhaps decades, the virus eventually gained the ability to spread from human-to-human and cause serious, often life-threatening disease.
Researchers do not yet know enough about the new coronavirus to determine which of those two scenarios is more likely, but scientists do know enough to conclude it to be extremely unlikely to have been engineered in a lab for any purpose, including bioweaponry.
Russell wrote:yanpa wrote:OTOH: https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/01/ ... bioweapon/
Hmm, Snopes is not the most reliable source, but I agree that the SARS-CoV-2 is unlikely to be engineered.
The assertion that the theory that the virus escaped from the lab is solely based on the proximity of the lab to the food market is shaky, in my opinion. There is the question from what cave this virus originated, and if it was far away, how it was able to travel all the way to Wuhan. As I said before, it is unlikely that they transport a bat over 1000 km to a food market when there are bats available from caves more nearby. Apart from that, do they really eat bats in China? There is that video of that girl eating bat soup, but a Chinese colleague told me never to have heard of bats being eaten in China, so it is possible that this video is a hoax.
Russell wrote:Apart from that, do they really eat bats in China? There is that video of that girl eating bat soup, but a Chinese colleague told me never to have heard of bats being eaten in China, so it is possible that this video is a hoax.
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