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japslapper wrote:Here in Japan - could the same happen
japslapper wrote:The Germans are really trying hard to be forgiven and promote reconciliation.
Here in Japan - could the same happen
japslapper wrote:I have just written this letter to http://www.awf.or.jp/ - highlighting the possablity that Japan should put its skill at copying to good use and copy the Germans.
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...I will inform this site of any reply
Is there any special reason why you choose the Asian Womens Forum (http://www.awf.or.jp)?
Little known fact to most gaijin is that for EVERY letter-to-the-editor that the Yomiuri, Asahi, etc. prints, the writer gets beer coupons or telephone cards. Western FG's letters-to-the-editor written in Japanese get printed very often.
One boring Golden Week, my judo sensei ghost-wrote for me a bunch of letters and sent them to all the major papers. We drank CASES of free beer the rest of the summer.
Also, is there any reason why you didn't get your letter proofread by a native Japanese person? I agree with your sentiments, but your letter will need some serious editing before it can get published.
How many more Holocaust memorials does this world need? I wonder is the US should also build a Japanese memorial to commemorate the murder of over 200,000 innocent civilians with two bombs. Oh, I forget, Japanese are not Jewish so their lives might not count as much.
"japslapper wrote: those "innocent" civilians in Hiroshima - do have a plenty of recognition - especially outside Japan - however inside Japan alot of fuss is made of Hiroshima etc but nobody explains openly why the H-bombs were dropped.
Source please? How would MacArthur have known, since he wasn't on the select list of American Generals and politicians who even knew about the project? Furthermore, Secretary of War Stimson _specifically_ took Kyoto permanently off the list because of its historical significance.Jack wrote:According to a biography of Mcarthur, Kyoto was going to be the third city to be bombed had Japan not surrendered.
cstaylor wrote:Source please? How would MacArthur have known, since he wasn't on the select list of American Generals and politicians who even knew about the project? Furthermore, Secretary of War Stimson _specifically_ took Kyoto permanently off the list because of its historical significance.Jack wrote:According to a biography of Mcarthur, Kyoto was going to be the third city to be bombed had Japan not surrendered.
Plus, there was no third bomb _yet_... they were working on them, but wouldn't have had them ready in time for use before the Soviets invaded Hokkaido.
Jack, don't use the names of famous Generals has a cheap appeal to authority, especially when you don't know what you're talking about.
Ouch!cstaylor wrote:I think you should stick to kogals and leave history to the educated.
cstaylor wrote:Jack, I have read that book many times, and not once did Manchester conclude that Kyoto was a serious target
I think you should stick to kogals and leave history to the educated.
Probably a bit more "educated" than you are. At the very least, I don't misquote authorities or conceal vital facts (such as Kyoto was never a serious target for the atom bomb) to an argument.Jack wrote:cstaylor wrote:Jack, I have read that book many times, and not once did Manchester conclude that Kyoto was a serious target
I think you should stick to kogals and leave history to the educated.
I would take kogals any day over history. Though I like the latter as well. I assume that you consider yourself one of the "educated" to whom history education should be entrusted?
Jack wrote:How many more Holocaust memorials does this world need? I wonder is the US should also build a Japanese memorial to commemorate the murder of over 200,000 innocent civilians with two bombs. Oh, I forget, Japanese are not Jewish so their lives might not count as much.
kamome wrote:Holocaust memorials are a separate issue from whether the US should honor the Japanese killed by atomic bombs. By trying to make a link, you seem to have a serious chip on your shoulder, man.
cstaylor wrote:In this case, it is simple: America was at war with Japan, Germany massacred her own citizens and citizens from occupied countries... should sound familiar to students of Japan's trip across the Asian continent.
ramchop wrote:It's a slow day on FG, so I'll ignore any little voices screaming "Don't go there":kamome wrote:Holocaust memorials are a separate issue from whether the US should honor the Japanese killed by atomic bombs. By trying to make a link, you seem to have a serious chip on your shoulder, man.
A link was made in the first post (not by Jack) and supported in some subsequent ones. Along the lines of: Germans are rembering the civilians they slaughtered, why don't the Japanese do they same?
Why can't this "link" be extended to other countries? Though I do agree much of Jack's logic/conclusions are screwed up.
ramchop wrote:Is there a My Lai memorial? Or was America "at war" with South Vietnam?
Or was America "at war" with South Vietnam?
Steve Bildermann wrote:Oh and it wouldn't have been a war with South Vietnam - it would have been with North Vietnam.
Steve Bildermann wrote:The Korean war was a 'police action', the Vietnam war was an 'advisory conflict' and the Gulf war was a 'collaborative intervention' We are still waiting for the Iraq 'thing' to get it's name.
GomiGirl wrote:Back on thread... in some of the countries I have visited, I have seen large buildings built with large donations from the Japanese government to atone for past actions. One that I can think of is in Papua New Guinea where I saw a number of buildings in Port Moresby that everybody knew were donations from the Japanese government.
ramchop wrote:Steve Bildermann wrote:Oh and it wouldn't have been a war with South Vietnam - it would have been with North Vietnam.
Odd that the village and inhabitants of My Lai were in South VN then :P
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