Marvin demands panty substitutes

[Taro Toporific]

See what happens when they ban used panty vending machines...
Police in Japan nab swimwear enthusiastWashington Times, DC - May 3030 (UPI) -- Police in Kochi, Japan, arrested a man who they said threatened to attack an elementary school if he did not get girls' gym and swim wear. ... letter found at the public school's garbage collection site on May 11 demanded 15 sets of girls' gymnastic and swimming wear "for me," police said.

[Captain Japan]

See what happens when they ban used panty vending machines...

Taro, these are tough times for perverts...

Tokyo Panty Trade Faces Regulation

But Tokyo's infamous trade in previously worn female undergarments, which has satisfied the Lolita-like longings of many middle-aged men for years, will soon be subject to a new wrinkle: regulation. The Tokyo Municipal Government is cracking down on the sales, revising a previous measure that will outlaw the purchases of briefs from minors.

Show a little compassion...

[Captain Japan]

TV Asahi unit lures underwear thief into trap as part of documentary
Kyodo via Japan Today

TOKYO — A TV Asahi Corp production company submitted a videotape showing an instance of underwear theft to police on Wednesday.

The production company shot the theft with the cooperation of a Tokyo woman who had suffered similar thefts between August and September. It was to be part of a documentary on underwear thefts.

The company bought the underwear before the shoot to serve as the woman's, as she said she could no longer stand having her own underwear stolen, according to TV Asahi.

TV Asahi staff overpowered the suspect on the balcony of her house and handed him over to police.

However, the advance preparation of the underwear "was imprudent and may invite misunderstanding," the broadcaster said in a statement.

"The submission of the videotape to the police is against a general rule of reporting, that it should be used only for broadcasting purposes," TV Asahi said, adding it punished four of its employees.

TV Asahi has decided to cancel the program in which the video footage was to be aired in November, it said.

[Greji]

[b]TV Asahi unit lures underwear thief into trap as part of documentary
-snip-
"The submission of the videotape to the police is against a general rule of reporting, that it should be used only for broadcasting purposes," TV Asahi said, adding it punished four of its employees.

TV Asahi has decided to cancel the program in which the video footage was to be aired in November, it said.

[/quote]

This points to an item that I find hard to understand. Where in the laws of any country or even so-called "general rules", does the media have the right to withhold criminal evidence from the police? There has been a mis-belief that somethings, such as videos of crimes in progress or criminal information from a source, is protected by the same process afforted to freedom of speech and can be withheld from the police and courts.

Isn't that pushing media control of society a taste over board?

[homesweethome]

This points to an item that I find hard to understand. Where in the laws of any country or even so-called "general rules", does the media have the right to withhold criminal evidence from the police? There has been a mis-belief that somethings, such as videos of crimes in progress or criminal information from a source, is protected by the same process afforted to freedom of speech and can be withheld from the police and courts.

Isn't that pushing media control of society a taste over board?

I am not sure what you mean by 'media control of society' but by that if you mean the responsibility of commercial broadcast production facilities to make their products available for use in criminal and civil court proceedings, this I have to disagree with. In the case of a bank or a convenience store that happens to catch a robbery or mugging on it's premices with its own securty cam set up, it is of course in the best interest of the facilities owners and managers to cooperate with the police authorities in apprehending and prosecuting the criminal(s) responsible. However in the case of a broadcast company setting up and getting footage of a crime taking place, this is viewed as the 'product and property' of the production company. They have the rights and privileges to do with their property as they see fit. On the other hand they also have a public responsibility to assist authorities in apprehending wrong doers. Through the court, the prosecutors and defendants can subpeona the holders of potential evidence that the judge may or may not allow admitted as evidence in a criminal or civil trial.

The Asahi reporters and production staff far overstepped their bounds by setting up a 'sting' operation and apprehending the suspect. This belongs in the realm of the state's police force. They were right to be punished for their actions.

[Neo-Rio]

You can still find panty vending machines in adult shops. They're just not out in public now.

[Greji]

I am not sure what you mean by 'media control of society' but by that if you mean the responsibility of commercial broadcast production facilities to make their products available for use in criminal and civil court proceedings, this I have to disagree with.

That's exactly what I mean HSH! Obviously, as you point out, Asahi was out of bounds with their sting! But, in so doing, they came into possession of material evidence which, by any law that I know of, does not allow them to withhold this evidence from the police.

It is mispreason of a felony in most jurisdictions to withhold knowledge of, or material evidence of a felony and the position as a member of the media should not protect them from this fact. The US law is quite articulate on this point. If the the police or the court demands the evidence and/or testimony, you must produce it. Look recently at the NY reporter who would not give testimony to the grand jury that could lead to identifying her source. She went directly to jail, did not pass go and did not collect 200 dollars.

I think that to allow the media to withhold what they please, is to put them above the law and to allow them to dictate what we may see or not see. This is a control of the media to which I don't think they are entitled. Censorship in reverse if you might, but if it becomes a crime it should be immediately taken out of their hands at that point! I don't think a scoop is any reason to circumvent the law.

Just MHO!

[Taro Toporific]

You can still find panty vending machines in adult shops. They're just not out in public now.

WHERE, WHERE, WHERE?

I need a take a sleath video of a panty vending machines to win a outstanding bar bet.

I have JPEGs that other people took that look too fake. See wiki or GoogleImage.

[Neo-Rio]

There are adult shops in Shinjuku near kabuki-cho. That alleyway towards kabukicho from JR Shinjuku that is usually full of scouts has an adult shop there with panty machines (they don't look like the ones in your post though)

[Greji]

(they don't look like the ones in your post though)

Ah, do they look more used?

[Captain Japan]

I need a take a sleath video of a panty vending machines to win a outstanding bar bet.

Anyone want to guess why they disappeared at all? It would seem the market is still there.

[Captain Japan]

This story is a little better...
TV Asahi scraps program after tape showing underwear theft handed to police
Mainichi

A production company working on behalf of TV Asahi submitted footage to police showing women's underwear being stolen, prompting the broadcaster to pull the plug on a documentary scheduled to be aired in November, it has been learned.

TV Asahi officials announced on Wednesday that the company had handed the tape to police without first consulting the broadcaster.

The footage was taken in August and September as part of a program on theft. It featured a woman whose underwear had been stolen by a thief, and captured someone stealing underwear from the veranda of her home.

As soon as the theft occurred, a worker at the production company apprehended the thief, who was taken into police custody. At the request of police, the company handed over a copy of a tape containing the footage to police, but at the end of September a problem arose between TV Asahi and the company over the tape, and company officials asked police to return it.

"The production firm did not ask us first before supplying the tape (to police)," a TV Asahi official said. "We view this as a serious problem that violated company rules of not using the footage for purposes other than broadcasts."...more...

[homesweethome]

After reading this account it appears the production company is a free-lance operation working under contract (or probably not) for Asahi Broadcasting. I can see how a problem would develop. The free-lance production set up an illegal sting operation, this is false entrapment, and held a person against their will, abduction, misrepresentation, physical confinement, etc., I can think of about six other things these guys could be charged with. I don't know if the 'suspect' is still being held by the police, but if I were him I would get a lawyer right away and file charges against the production company and Asahi Broadcasting and include false imprisonment by the police. If they are foolish enough to bring charges against him, sue to the hilt, or even if they don't.

Also this might not be true in Japan, but in a normal society it is the police who have the authority to arrest and detain suspects. I know they don't do their job, but this is not an excuse for vigilante justice for the purpose of a tv documentary.

[Greji]

Also this might not be true in Japan, but in a normal society it is the police who have the authority to arrest and detain suspects. I know they don't do their job, but this is not an excuse for vigilante justice for the purpose of a tv documentary.

The news media attempt do this frequently in Japan, they troll various scenes, set up the equivalent of stake-outs and then act surprised if they run across a crime!

Actually, as in most countries, Japan has a law recognizing "Citizen's Arrest". Technically, the citizen detains the "hannin", informing him why he is being obtained and that he's under citizen's arrest and notifies the police. He and/or assisting "citizens" may hold him until arrival of the fuzz, no matter how long it takes them to get to the scene.

Having said that, it usually goes down with a bunch of big dudes catching a smaller one and sitting on him until the cops come.

This is the same type of law that most countries, including Japan, (obstensively) use for guards and security people to detain shoplifters and tresspassers until the police arrive.

[Captain Japan]

To catch a (panty) thief
Japan Times

"Police 24 Hours" is a hard-hitting crime documentary series and the jewel in the crown of Asahi TV's news programming.
* Tokyo Confidential surveys popular vernacular magazines -- often "salacious, libelous and utterly unreliable" -- to discover what the Japanese are "really thinking." See also below:

With an in-your-face style of news gathering, its intrepid reporters work on stories that expose crime and detail the efforts of the law enforcers fighting it.

One story that didn't make it to air, however, was conceived last summer by producer Kazuya Kitajima. His plan: investigating the common, and annoying crime, of underwear theft.

Kitajima (a pseudonym) and his team planned on pointing a hidden camera at a piece of women's underwear hanging on the balcony of the apartment of someone frequently victimized by such thefts. The bait, they figured, would be sure to attract the attention of at least one pervert.

"Mr. Kitajima apparently spent July doing the planning and began the actual reporting in August for a segment to air in September," a person Shukan Shincho describes as "connected to TV Asahi" tells the magazine.

An underwear-theft victim was located. As for the bait, the producer reckoned that a racy type of lingerie -- rather than the conventional undergarments this particular woman usually hung out to dry -- would have the best chances of attracting a pervert.

A camera was installed and the bait put on display. The TV crew lay in wait over several evenings. Then one night, a man emerged from the darkness. Like a trout darting for an angler's worm, he grabbed the lingerie -- and the snatch was nicely captured on video....more...

[Greji]

To catch a (panty) thief
Japan Times
-snip-
A camera was installed and the bait put on display. The TV crew lay in wait over several evenings. Then one night, a man emerged from the darkness. Like a trout darting for an angler's worm, he grabbed the lingerie -- and the snatch was nicely captured on video....

Two things are immediately apparent. First, this is not definately not the first of these type of TV ops ever attempted. They do it frequently. It just becomes a violation of their rules(?) when something goes wrong for them.

Don't they relize if they film a crime in progress, it maybe news, but it is primarily evidence and should be turned over to the police. Why do some people feel that the members of the media should be above the law and exempted from what the rest of us are subject to in a similar situation, just because they are supposedly gathering news?

Secondly, the Japanese interpretation of the laws on entrapment never fail to amaze me. The law states like most in other countries, you can not induce a person to commit a crime, they would not ordnarily do. However, the J-prosecutors (it is the prosecutors, not the police, the police want all the arrests they can get) have wierd and no standard interpretation of this law.

This case is classic example!
How are you tempting a person to commit a crime by hanging a pair of girl's slightly used skivies on the clothesline she normally uses? That is assuming that she normally washes her shorts and hangs them up!

So Joe Schmoo makes off with the hash marked bloomers and everyone is suddenly incensed! Hell, if he wouldn't have taken these, he'd been over at the neighbors gnawing on her silks. Normal people (I'm not including my associates with this) don't do this type of thing and so how are you possibly be tempting them to commit a crime?
Just my sansenyen worth.

[kurohinge1]

What I don't understand is why this isn't a game show in Japan yet.

They could have contestants racing through obstacle-laden alleys and yards, across rickety rooftops, climbing over fences, evading yapping dogs and then slithering unnoticed passed windows, all in the shortest time possible to get the prize knickers.



Or is it already on SkyPerfect?

[Buraku]

Sony vending machines mooted

http://www.ferrago.com/story/7858

[Mulboyne]

Sony vending machines mooted
http://www.ferrago.com/story/7858

Sony kiosk: Gum, candy or digicam?