Tokyo looks at underage sex

[Mulboyne]

Japan Today: Tokyo gov't considering ordinance to stop youth sex

TOKYO; The Tokyo metropolitan government has been studying the feasibility of establishing an ordinance to oblige parents and guardians to prevent schoolchildren from having sex, metropolitan officials said Tuesday.

Metropolitan government officials, however, are divided over the plan, whose sponsors say is aimed at putting a brake on the spread of sexually transmitted diseases and abortions among the young. Some oppose it on grounds of privacy issues and believe it would be counterproductive.

...Gynecologist Tsuneo Akaeda, who is a member of the envisioned committee, said, "There are a lot of young girls who don't know how to refuse when a male she likes says he would like to have sex. So how about making an ordinance to ban youths from having sex prior to graduation from junior high school?"

However, Sayoko Ishii, a lawyer familiar with juvenile problems, said, "The situation would not change if we do not get the children themselves to think about sex through parent and child discussions and school education."

Japan Times 2002: It's time to say: Let's talk about sex, babies

In all my years of studying Japanese, I never learned the word I need right now. How do you say "nocturnal emission"? I need to know because my 10-year-old son is starting sex education at school, and I haven't told him that part of "the facts of life." His Japanese is pretty good, but I think he'll understand the lesson better if I explain it to him in English first. And give him the Japanese words he'll be hearing.

In Japan, seikyoiku (sex education) generally begins in fifth grade, when kids get a very basic lesson about how their bodies will change when they enter puberty. But Japanese children are maturing earlier. This year, for the first time, the health teacher at our school decided to start seikyoiku with the fourth-graders.

[plaid_knight]

It's a shame that children around the world have lost the ability to have a time in their lives when they are innocent or happy, but I don't think that the government will have a way to regulate what these kids are doing.

And waiting till the kid is 10 to explain how sex works? Way too late.

[Samurai_Jerk]

It's a shame that children around the world have lost the ability to have a time in their lives when they are innocent or happy

People used to be married and fighting in wars by the age of 13 (still true in some places).

[Andocrates]

It's a shame that children around the world have lost the ability to have a time in their lives when they are innocent or happy

People used to be married and fighting in wars by the age of 13 (still true in some places).

Yes, and they lived to the ripe old age of 39. Japanese girls seem to be the least equipped to deal with sex, saying no, diverting a problem, setting boundaries.

Past the normal curiosities a 13 year old girl doesn't get much enjoyment from sex, the rewards are way out of line with the costs. When I was a teen my favorite past-time was deflowering Catholic girls, I used guilt as a leverage. Since all their morals were based on Sunday School and not their own personal convictions they were easy. I'm quite ashamed of that now.

At 13, 14, 15, kids are not equipped to deal with the ramifications of sex. What they need to do is empower the girls, teach them how to say no give them some skills at resolving those heated moments, put them in charge of sex. Yes, we men don't like that idea, but it seems to be the natural order of things.

[Steve Bildermann]

PARENTS in Tokyo would be legally responsible for stopping school-aged children from having sex if a top official gets his way.

From that paragon of journalistic excellence 'The Scotsman'

...in other new the Pope calls for 2005 to be the year of NO SEX.

[Cobra]

I love sex. I do think those schoogirls are HOT HOT HOT.
But it is sad that they are whoring themselves off the way they do. Very fucking sad. Some of them are so damn beautifull and to think some of them end up in a love hotel with a 50 year old man is pretty fuckin sick. This will also be with them for the rest of their lives. There is no one to protect them from such temptations. They need to change the school dress straight away. Ban schoolgirl porn. And have strict laws agains under 18 sex. And if a male over the age of 18 is caught having sex with an underage.......well he gets in BIG shit.

They really need to fix this up.

Will never happen though.

[dingosatemybaby]

[/quote]
When I was a teen my favorite past-time was deflowering Catholic girls, [/quote]

Androcrates sounds like Ray from "Scary Movie."

Or one of the tail-gunners...er, top-gunners...from the Tom Cruise movie.

"And then I f*cked these hot cheerleaders and...hey, last one in the shower's a rotten egg!"

[Andocrates]

Actually I should have used the word "try" I had fun trying but I don't think I ever got further then a hand down the pants. Also deflower was the wrong word, defile was what I meant. Plus, now that I think about it there weren't any girls invoved.

The story grew in my mind

[AssKissinger]

GRASS ON THE FIELD: PLAY BALL!!!

Andy I think that bad Aichi air maybe having a negative impact on the brain banana.

When I was a teen my favorite past-time was deflowering Catholic girls, I used guilt as a leverage. Since all their morals were based on Sunday School and not their own personal convictions they were easy. I'm quite ashamed of that now.

And now for one of the quickest retractions in FG history.

Actually I should have used the word "try" I had fun trying but I don't think I ever got further then a hand down the pants. Also deflower was the wrong word, defile was what I meant.

I guess they weren't that easy if all they let you do was skim your hand on their burgers And you're ashamed to have rubbed a little muffin as a teenager? Whacha get religion or something?

[Pantsu]

there is another thread with the same theme, just want to quote a part which is the only solution imo

"The situation would not change if we do not get the children themselves to think about sex through parent and child discussions and school education."

[Samurai_Jerk]

If they teach Japanese girls how to say "No!" at a young I age I bet the fucked gaijin population of Japan will fall by 70%.

[wildstar]

Japan Today: Tokyo gov't considering ordinance to stop youth sex

... "it would be counterproductive."

[Andocrates]

Yes, I give courses,

"advanced crawfising 101"

[prolly]

the whole "innocence period" with regards to being children is a rather recent invention, perhaps less than a hundred years old. There's nothing wrong with kids having to be self ware at a young age; it doesn't damage them emotionally or have adverse effects on their priorities. In fact, the opposite seems to bethe case. Children who are allowed to have alot of time free of responsiblities and caring tend to be the most unproductive and wasteful members of any population.

It's a shame that children around the world have lost the ability to have a time in their lives when they are innocent or happy, but I don't think that the government will have a way to regulate what these kids are doing.

And waiting till the kid is 10 to explain how sex works? Way too late.

[Samurai_Jerk]

[quote="prolly"]the whole "innocence period" with regards to being children is a rather recent invention, perhaps less than a hundred years old. There's nothing wrong with kids having to be self ware at a young age]

That was my point. It's like marriage for love. A relatively new idea that doesn't really pan out.

[Kuang_Grade]

Well, it might help if MTV Japan thought about some of their English phrases they make an effort to explain... I was flipping through channels this evening and saw they were explaining what a "high five/Give me five" was about and then they rolled into this phrase (although I thought "proper usage" used the singular form). My J skills are too weak to figure out how they were explaining it, so I might have missed the point :P

[guriguri247365]

I remember an article from an old mag in Japan called the OutSider that did a few issues dealing with enjo kousai here in Japan. Reading it was shocking - junior/high/college girls whoring themselves out for a few man, maybe lots of mans, but jesus christ, how sad. I never knew any girl back in the states in high school who would do that just to get a Louis Vitton, Gucci, Prada bag. Sad. Really sad. The high school I taught at last year was the worst school in the city and over half of them had slept with some fucking disgusting oyaji for money and many still do. At least girls in other countries fuck cuz they like fucking, not just to buy a bag...

And the whole idea of making parents responsible. Damn, how many of those fathers are probably screwing girls the same age as their daughters. How many politicians are going to pink houses. Nothing is gonna change...

[GuyJean]

Japan Today: Tokyo gov't considering ordinance to stop youth sex

Ishihara Opposed to Outlawing Child Sex
http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20040926p2a00m0dm001001c.html

I think it's going a bit far to say we should create an ordinance to outlaw sex for junior high school children," Ishihara said...

Ishihara was responding to a suggestion made by a member of the panel he set up to discuss countermeasures to problems being caused by rampant teenage sex in the capital.

Teenagers at junior high and high school in Tokyo have been responsible for rapidly escalating rates of abortion and sexually transmitted diseases in recent years.

Why did I know he would oppose this? Actually, I'm not sure this 'ordinance' would help much, considering very few laws are enforced in Japan. Plus, it's a little strange when the law starts messing with the bedroom.. Even though they're underage..

But I'm assuming Ishihara's reasons have to do with his most lucrative side business; human trafficking and enjo kosai 'arrangements' - He could actually be prosecuted if such a law existed.

GJ

[Samurai_Jerk]

I never knew any girl back in the states in high school who would do that just to get a Louis Vitton, Gucci, Prada bag.

Women in the US do that kind of shit all the time. Ever hear of the term gold digger. Enjoukosai is just a more honest form of gold digging.

[GuyJean]

Ever hear of the term gold digger. Enjoukosai is just a more honest form of gold digging.

I didn't realize it was that common for 15 and 16 year old girls in the States to 'gold dig'. I thought it was more the 25 - 35 age bracket. Guess things have changed..

So I can now call a whore service in the US that'll let me fuck 15-year olds, delivered to my door? I've been missing all the fun! Well... not really.

Relevant video: Interview with a NY photographer of Japanese teenage prostitutes fucking for Louis:
http://www.tokyodv.com/culture/SexForBrands.html
(Just an opinion. Not mine)..

GJ

[Samurai_Jerk]

Ever hear of the term gold digger. Enjoukosai is just a more honest form of gold digging.

I didn't realize it was that common for 15 and 16 year old girls in the States to 'gold dig'. I thought it was more the 25 - 35 age bracket. Guess things have changed..

So I can now call a whore service in the US that'll let me fuck 15-year olds, delivered to my door? I've been missing all the fun! Well... not really.

Relevant video: Interview with a NY photographer of Japanese teenage prostitutes fucking for Louis:
http://www.tokyodv.com/culture/SexForBrands.html
(Just an opinion. Not mine)..

GJ

It might not be quite the same, but the guy with the best car in high school gets the most pussy. It's the same basic concept.

[twilightzone]

I never knew any girl back in the states in high school who would do that just to get a Louis Vitton, Gucci, Prada bag.

bit of a difference.

[twilightzone]

I remember an article from an old mag in Japan called the OutSider that did a few issues dealing with enjo kousai here in Japan. Reading it was shocking - junior/high/college girls whoring themselves out for a few man, maybe lots of mans, but jesus christ, how sad. I never knew any girl back in the states in high school who would do that just to get a Louis Vitton, Gucci, Prada bag. Sad. Really sad. The high school I taught at last year was the worst school in the city and over half of them had slept with some fucking disgusting oyaji for money and many still do. At least girls in other countries fuck cuz they like fucking, not just to buy a bag...

And the whole idea of making parents responsible. Damn, how many of those fathers are probably screwing girls the same age as their daughters. How many politicians are going to pink houses. Nothing is gonna change...

with you on this one!

[Ketou]

[quote="prolly"]the whole "innocence period" with regards to being children is a rather recent invention, perhaps less than a hundred years old. There's nothing wrong with kids having to be self ware at a young age]

Welcome my son.....................

[Andocrates]

the whole "innocence period" with regards to being children is a rather recent invention, perhaps less than a hundred years old. There's nothing wrong with kids having to be self ware at a young age]

Welcome my son.....................

I disagree. 15 year old girls simply cannot compete on an emotional level with a 25 year old guy.

What a 15 year old girl does with a 15 year old boy is none of my concern (unless it's my daughter)

That's not to say there are not some manipulative 15 year old girls around. I was helping a 15 year old Japanese girl pack a bag and she caught me inadvertently looked down her blouse, just sort of a Pavlov' dog response. I'm pretty sure my mna-boobs are bigger then hers, I mean she was totally flat. But then she made these really clumsy and over the top poses so I could get a better look which just made me laugh. Anyway, that doesn't grant me the right to take advantage of her - I'm the adult. (plus, i would find that totally gross, I want a woman who is seasoned and skilled in sex)

[Samurai_Jerk]

double

[Samurai_Jerk]

you are full of shit and dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

HUGE difference between a "gold digger" in which MOST women are cause they want security and a 15 year old fuckin an oyaji for a few man. dont even try to compare it fuckface.

I seem to have hit a nerve there.

[twilightzone]

interesting topic I guess.

[wildstar]

If anyone even had the though once she is a teenager I would slice their throat. seriously.

not to be condescending, but what if this is your daughter doing this thinking?
sure, there's plenty of girls being forced into that sort of thing, but i think it's reasonable to say most of them are finding themselves in those positions on their own free will.
i also believe that most people who think it's futile to try to sway the mindset of younger people on this issue because the kids will just keep having sex would also feel that protecting his or her own daughter (or son) for as long as possible is extremely imporpant, which i believe brings us back to your statement.

[Samurai_Jerk]

This kind of situation isn't unique to Japan. Teenage girls all over the world prostitute themselves. I saw some show on TV here in the US awhile back about junior high and high school girls who were doing basically the same thing. This one JHS girl would literally sneak out of school to go sell her body on the street to buy herself things since her mom was kind of poor.

I think a lot of FGs go to Japan and are exposed to this kind of shit for the first time and think it's one of those only in Japan things. It's probably because your average FG (from the West) comes from an upper middle class background, is educated, and hasn't had a whole lot of life experience. Some folks get put in really low level schools where the kids are from poor fucked up families and see shit like enjoukosai, teacher's being assaulted, and kids huffing paint behind the school building. They compare it to what they saw in their nice middle class high school and think Japan is out of control. Trust me, if they taught in ghetto schools in the US or the UK they'd see this kind of shit and worse. It's not like Japan's best and brightest girls are just up and deciding the be whores (I'm sure there are exceptions).

Yeah, there are some things about Japan that don't help the situation. They have weak laws on prostitution, statutory rape, and child pornography. But compared to the English speaking world so do some countries in Western Europe. The age of consent is 16 in Holland which meant that until a few years ago girls could legally work as prostitutes from 16. They've now made it so that you have to be 18 to be a hooker but you can still make porn at 16.

I went to junior high in NYC. Because the location of the school there was a mix of middle class kids and kids from the projects. In one of my classes the students would harrass this one poor burned-out hippy teacher until he broke down in tears. They would throw chairs at him, flip desks over, etc. A lot of girls were already sexually active and dating guys that were in their 20s. Kids did drugs, vandalized the school, and assualted the teachers. And this was considered a good school. My mother, brothers, and sister lived in government subsidized housing (I lived with my dad). There was a 12 year old girl in their neighborhood who would fuck you for a pack of cigarettes and used to let boys from the neighborhood gang bang her. I guess the world is just a fucked up place.

And no, I still don't think there is a difference between a serious, hardcore gold digger (I don't mean that need for security that all women have) and a chick selling herself for an $800 hand bag. I just think that the hooker is a little more honest about the situation.