OS X 10.4 Tiger Announced

[Charles]

It's not a shirt, it's a flashlight!

Oops, my bad.

Sorry you are having trouble. I really like Spotlight, though I don't have 500GB of files to sort. I had no idea it takes so long to index files.

I just don't know what the hell happened that it could take so long to index. And every time I thought it was done, I ran a search, then it hung up and said I would have to finish indexing one of my drives (not the boot drive, a storage drive) before the search could be executed. Then Spotlight would clear and apparently the drive was indexed, but if I tried another search, it said it had to finish indexing the SAME drive. That happened four or five times, until the 2nd day when it finally settled down and started to work.. slowly.. very very slowly. But at least it works (after a fashion). Well that's just a pisser, I saw the stevenote where Spotlight was first demonstrated, and even that ancient beta worked a hell of a lot better than this. I guess it works great if you install it on an empty machine with almost nothing to index.
Well, I guess this will get sorted out eventually, since others have complained of similar problems.

BTW, you're not running that on the G3, or are you? I'd like to know, 'cause I have 148 GBs attached to my G3 and was wondering what the performance is like....

No, this is on my dual-1Ghz G4. I have two 150Gb drives in a striped RAID, and two more 120Gb drives as single drives. That all adds up to about 500Gb with the usual flaky hex vs. decimal Gb math. I don't think I'll put Tiger on my G3 yet, since it's my public server and I'm reluctant to reconfigure a working server.
You should try the G3 and let me know how fast it is, I'd be interested in a comparison. You might actually outperform my G4 system. This has got to be a misconfiguration or something really stupid. It can't be a file system problem, I had a glitch in the RAID but before upgrading, I rebuilt the directory from scratch with Tech Tool Pro, jeez, that locked up my machine for 36 hours!

[Caustic Saint]

Tiger's up and running on my new machine - a gorgeous 15" Powerbook!

It came with Panther installed so all I did was set up my user account before going straight into installing Tiger. Went off without a hitch and I've already gotten all my apps reloaded and files copied over.

Life is good!

[mr. sparkle]

I just installed Tiger on my 15" 800 mHz Ti-Book. Only glitch was having to reinstall my wacom driver. Other than that, I'm very happy. The indexing did not take long at all. The longest time was indexing my 15,000 email messages. Being able to search for things in email is now far easier and spotlight is phenomenal at finding any file lying buried on my hard drive.

Congrats on your new rig Caustic. I'm sure you'll dig it....

Now I will need a CD version to install on the G3.

[tonikoro]

-yep, they are not shipping yet with tiger pre-installed.

BTW, the cool people have mac keitai straps
the keychain is neat kitche, I can't believe people would sell it on ebay, I gave out more of those things the other day than one might think. But fo'show, I do indeed now want an isight even more.

[Caustic Saint]

Congrats on your new rig Caustic. I'm sure you'll dig it....

Now I will need a CD version to install on the G3.

Thanks! I'm digging it very much.

The thing I'm most impressed with is the keyboard. I'd always thought the backlit keyboard, while a cool idea, was kind of gimmicky. But since the Apple stores are so well-lit I'd never seen the effect for myself until last night.

Wow!






Can't you install it over the network with the DVD to get your G3 up and running? Or is that too slow to be practical?

[kotatsuneko]

bit off topic, but, was wondering if its possible to mod an apple tower into a windows deck? cos the design is nice, the cooling system is apparently good too.. and occasionally i get offered apple towers so thought it might make a nice side project, anyone ever try it or know if its possible?

[cstaylor]

bit off topic, but, was wondering if its possible to mod an apple tower into a windows deck? cos the design is nice, the cooling system is apparently good too.. and occasionally i get offered apple towers so thought it might make a nice side project, anyone ever try it or know if its possible?

You'd have to do some internal case modification. Search Slashdot, some kid ruined his G5 tower by replacing its guts with an AMD motherboard.

[Caustic Saint]

bit off topic, but, was wondering if its possible to mod an apple tower into a windows deck? cos the design is nice, the cooling system is apparently good too.. and occasionally i get offered apple towers so thought it might make a nice side project, anyone ever try it or know if its possible?

You'd have to do some internal case modification. Search Slashdot, some kid ruined his G5 tower by replacing its guts with an AMD motherboard.

I thought that one turned out to be a hoax, where somebody had managed to get ahold of a bare G5 case and just put a PC in it?

Kots, if you're talking about a G3 or G4 tower with the flip-down side, check this page.

[Charles]

Search Slashdot, some kid ruined his G5 tower by replacing its guts with an AMD motherboard.

That was eventually revealed as a hoax.

[cstaylor]

Search Slashdot, some kid ruined his G5 tower by replacing its guts with an AMD motherboard.

That was eventually revealed as a hoax.

That's good to know, because what a waste of a fine machine if it was true.

[kotatsuneko]

thanks for the [relavant and useful as always] linkage there, Charles

after that read, think i`ll just wait and see what the new Wavemaster is like, and whether the coolermaster breakaway company [something stone..] trumps it .. never figured it would be that much hassle!

[Captain Japan]

I just installed Tiger on my 15" 800 mHz Ti-Book. Only glitch was having to reinstall my wacom driver. Other than that, I'm very happy. The indexing did not take long at all. The longest time was indexing my 15,000 email messages. Being able to search for things in email is now far easier and spotlight is phenomenal at finding any file lying buried on my hard drive.

Congrats on your new rig Caustic. I'm sure you'll dig it....

Now I will need a CD version to install on the G3.

So when you guys did your transfers did you use Target Disk Mode and a firewire cable?

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58583

Did you have to reinstall all the apps? Or can you somehow transfer those as well?

I'll be doing this soon (from G3 iBook to G4 IBook) so any tips on the best method would be appreciated.

[Charles]

So when you guys did your transfers did you use Target Disk Mode and a firewire cable?

I haven't upgraded the old G3 server because I haven't got my main CPU stabilized yet. Apparently there are a few oddball problems that my weirdo configuration is causing. It appears I should have done a reformat and install, but that is a little difficult when you've got 500Gb of data and no place to put it while you reformat the main 300Gb RAID.

It looks like there some people (like me) are having Spotlight problems, their CPUs go to 100% utilization at random times, and just stays there until you reboot. It's some process named "mds" and nobody knows what that's all about. People have suggested rebuilding the Spotlight indexes. I've heard suggestions to turn off journaling, delete the journal files, then reenable journaling. I've heard various other shots in the dark, but it looks like none of these tricks are solving the problems except a format and install, and I just can't do that.

Also it looks like there's a really weird thing about Services. Apparently Tiger scans ALL disks for Services, and there are a bunch of old services that won't work in Tiger. I have an old 10.3.8 install on another disk, apparently my Tiger install grabbed all those Services and it's freaking out my system somewhat. So a little deep surgery is required, I think I have to delete some services.plist or something weird like that.

And then there's the oddest thing, my Mac won't shut down. It just hangs at the end of shutdown instead of powering off. I have to hold down the power button for a forced shutdown.

Now all this is very atypical, almost nobody is reporting these problems. I upgraded my sister's powerbook to Tiger and everything went perfectly. But then, my CPU is a test bed for every crazy idea I can get my hands on, so of course it's going to have problems. In fact, I LOVE to have problems. That's how you learn Unix, by screwing things up deep in the system and then figuring out how to fix it. I wouldn't be happy if I didn't have at least one serious problem to conquer. Just call me Mr. Bleeding Edge.

[Caustic Saint]

I did the "upgrade install" on my new PB since it came with Panther installed and a Tiger DVD in the box. Once it was installed I put my iBook G4 into target disk mode and copied data over from it that way. After that I did full installs of all my applications.

I know some stuff (like MS Office) can be copied over with no major issues, but I decided to play it safe and just run the original installers for everything.

[mr. sparkle]

I did an archive and install on the TiBook 800 with my "Special Edition" Tiger DVD and that went over well.

My G3 was done with 3 CDs and it did not install smoothly the first go around or two. Finally, I got it to install on my 9GB SCSI boot drive. I then attached a new Maxtor 120 GB drive to the ATA bus and used Disk Utility to copy the System using the Restore Function. That was pretty fast and easy! I then ripped out all the SCSI stuff (it's rather noisy) and the G3 is running on Tiger pretty well. Had a kernel panic when iChat and iTunes were playing after about 30 minutes. Other minor weirdness here and there, but I'm ironing it all out. The TiBook is doing really well though.

The RSS feed screen saver is cool. You can change the feed in options. I got FCP news streaming. The iTunes cover art screen saver is also neat. Try those.

[Captain Japan]

The IBook I'm getting will have Tiger already installed. So I'll just be transferring my files. I'm going to give this a shot tonight.