Todai prof busted for creating P2P 'Winny'

[devicenull]

2 types of people:
Those who download music/files and those who fib by saying they don't

I wouldn't disagree with this....but there is a 3rd kind. Those who download and make excuses as to why they are righteous for stealing.

hmm, what about my kind?

the kind that normally wouldnt buy anything anyways, but as long as it is available for free he will continue to download whatever he wants?

You are the same as my kind he he. I have only bought one CD in my life and that was an eminem single. After that nothing. But i do go ot the cinema all the time. I think if you go to the cinema you should get a free copy of the film you watched. on DVD after all you paid the rights to what you watched. Also DVD's should contain the sonundtrack to the movie for free, yes that right for free.

LOL, which album? the only legit cd i actually own, i got as a freebie from a music deal, and then i said i never ordered it and got it for free... it was the slim shady album. hell, if they offered dvds for half off at the theatres or a voucher for the movie.. i would consider going more often. although, in my particular situation, i get to see all the screenings i want before it comes out (yay college life).

[AssKissinger]

Ever since I was in college I've believed that all copyright laws should be abolished. I guess it's the same kind of libertarian thinking that makes me opposed to censorship of any kind. I am also in favor of legalizing all drugs from weed to smack. I think copyright laws are a flat out violation of the spirit of the First Amendment. Probably the most important example is concerning sampling. Two really great hip-hop records, Paul's Boutique by the Beastie Boys and De La Soul's Three Feet High and Rising, could never be released with today's copyright laws. Everyone who gets sampled wants a cut. It's ridiculous. Just because you were the first to make a sound doesn't mean you should own it forever. Sampling is a tradition that is rooted in classical composers writing interpretations of other's music. Like transcribing Vivaldi's Four Seasons for classical guitar or whatever. Early country and blues musicians were constantly playing each other's songs and reinterpretations. Several of basically the same songs are credited to both A.P. Carter and Woody Guthrie. Christ what the Doors and Zeppelin stole from Leadbelly is just amazing. And then there's jazz. The whole concept of 'standards' is that of certain tunes which have melodies that have become so famous and played by so many different musicians that any jazz buff ought to be able to determine which song it is just by hearing fragments of the melody. What if Coltrane was told he couldn't play 'My Favorite Things' because of a copyright dispute? It would have been a tragic loss to the world of sound that's for sure. Sampling is just the next step of an ancient and important musical tradition. Reinterpreting other's music. This is being hindered by copyright laws. The fact the before mentioned hip-hop records, which were both filled with samples (and De La Soul was sued), could not be released today suggests that it is very likely that there are records today that should exist but don't, thanks to copyright laws. Now, it's even reached the point where record execs go to bars in the UK watch cover bands play Oasis or whatever and then give the band a bill for borrowing the rights. And as for the music not being in the public domain, well that's insane. Music, like Hendrix is a world treasure. For them to hoard the recordings is obscene. Life is only so long. Hendrix died when I was two. They have the responsibility to make his music available to the public, all of it. Fuck the law, I'm talking right and wrong. The fact that I was denied access to those live recordings when I was in highschool is infuriating. Just so those rich fucks can time the releases, over a period of decades. That's total bullshit. BTW, what do Steve Vai, Frank Zappa and King Crimson all have in common? They're all pretentious shit. Not that I can't see any good points to this music but, please.

[GomiGirl]

Ever since I was in college I've believed that all copyright laws should be abolished. I guess it's the same kind of libertarian thinking that makes me opposed to censorship of any kind. I am also in favor of legalizing all drugs from weed to smack. I think copyright laws are a flat out violation of the spirit of the First Amendment.

OK your arguments are a little fuzzy around the edges.. but copyright is there to protect against the theft of somebody else's work/intellectual property.. IP (Intellectual Property) is an asset just as if it was capital equipment, cash or whatever. It was made by somebody and so belongs to somebody. To whom this is shared and how this IP is used is up to the owner.

You seem to think that all assets are common property? If this is the case, then I will be over to eat all the food out of your fridge, take your CD's to my place and watch your TV with all of my friends anytime I feel like it without asking permission.. out of line? Of course - this is your property.

Just because you show somebody your new guitar, it doesn't give them the right to use it anytime they like without asking first.

The reality of our society is:

What's mine is mine, what's yours is yours and public areas are maintained by our tax money to be used by everybody.

Unless we have a society that doesn't use money then assets belong to an individual and not the collective.

Now legalising of drugs is another matter.... I agree with you but perhaps for different reasons.

[oyajikun]

I can't find the link to the original artical (was posted in another forum that I frequent) but I find it very interesting.

"Jupiter Media Metrix survey found the fact that most of us already knew -- use P2P
tools and you're more likely to buy more music.

34% of P2P networks' users said that they're increased the amount they spend on
music CDs because of the P2P usage. 15% said that they spend less money now when
they use P2P networks and 51% said that they spend the same amount as before P2P.

This is compared to people who didn't use P2P networks -- only 19% said that they've
increased the amount they spend on music CDs annually. Other technologies, such as
CD writers or MP3 players, didn't impact on music spending at all."

[AssKissinger]

I will be over to eat all the food out of your fridge, take your CD's to my place and watch your TV with all of my friends anytime I feel like it without asking permission

Uhhh, OK!

[Robato]

"Jupiter Media Metrix survey found the fact that most of us already knew -- use P2P
tools and you're more likely to buy more music.

34% of P2P networks' users said that they're increased the amount they spend on
music CDs because of the P2P usage. 15% said that they spend less money now when
they use P2P networks and 51% said that they spend the same amount as before P2P.

This is compared to people who didn't use P2P networks -- only 19% said that they've
increased the amount they spend on music CDs annually. Other technologies, such as
CD writers or MP3 players, didn't impact on music spending at all."

Somebody better tell that to the record companies....they are suing people left and right for something that MAKES THEM MONEY!!!

[Caustic Saint]

Somebody better tell that to the record companies....they are suing people left and right for something that MAKES THEM MONEY!!!

Gee, and here I was thinking they were suing people to protect an outdated buisiness model that rewards them handsomely for doing damned little.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

LOL, which album? the only legit cd I actually own, I got as a freebie from a music deal, and then i said i never ordered it and got it for free... it was the slim shady album. hell, if they offered dvds for half off at the theatres or a voucher for the movie.. I would consider going more often. although, in my particular situation, I get to see all the screenings i want before it comes out (yay college life).

Well the single was "my name is" I dont know I just had to buy it. But unfortunatly I lost it. The only other legit Music CD I have is an AQUA one. Not because I am into girl pop, But it was the first "rainbow" CD around. "Rainbow" CD out about 5 years ago were to revolutionise the music business as they contained digital media mpg's and all. Its funny how they are making a come back now.

I too worked in a cinema while I was in university. It was one of the easiest jobs ever. If there was any freebies given out youd be sure i would of taken half of them home.

[devicenull]

LOL, which album? the only legit cd I actually own, I got as a freebie from a music deal, and then i said i never ordered it and got it for free... it was the slim shady album. hell, if they offered dvds for half off at the theatres or a voucher for the movie.. I would consider going more often. although, in my particular situation, I get to see all the screenings i want before it comes out (yay college life).

Well the single was "my name is" I dont know I just had to buy it. But unfortunatly I lost it. The only other legit Music CD I have is an AQUA one. Not because I am into girl pop, But it was the first "rainbow" CD around. "Rainbow" CD out about 5 years ago were to revolutionise the music business as they contained digital media mpg's and all. Its funny how they are making a come back now.

I too worked in a cinema while I was in university. It was one of the easiest jobs ever. If there was any freebies given out youd be sure i would of taken half of them home.

lol, work? no, as students we get first dibs on all the previews of companies that like/dont hate us still/yet.

[Taro Toporific]

Police arrest two for allegedly swapping copyrighted movies, games Associated Press / December 5, 2003
TOKYO - Two Japanese men suspected of disseminating movies and games illegally online have been arrested in what's being called the second such known cyber-piracy case in Japan....The arrests -- only the second such case in Japan -- could signal an entertainment industry-encouraged shift here toward harsh penalties for anyone caught trading copyright material online.

[Taro Toporific]

Japanese police make first file-sharing arrests
Mainichi Shimbun, Nov 28
KYOTO -- Two people who used the file-sharing software "Winny" to offer movies and video game software to an unspecified number of people over the Internet have been arrested....

Todai prof busted for creating the world's worst P2P software, "winny".

Prof held 'for developing P2P software'
The Age, Australia - 10 MayA Japanese university professor was arrested today on charges of violating copyright laws by developing and offering software that allows users to swap movies ...

[cstaylor]

Okay, sharing files and you get caught... but suing the developer? No wonder the Japanese software development market sucks so bad.

[Big Booger]

I guess if I get in my car, and run over a couple pedestrians, they gonna go after Nissan cause they developed the car I'm driving....

Winny can be used for more than sharing of illegal content. Open source software, images, your own music and videos, independent artists content, movie trailers, Linux (I downloaded Mandrake 10 Community over bittorrent), and so on...

I think to hit the developer is going a bit above and beyond...

Kaneko is also accused of helping two Japanese men arrested in November on charges of disseminating movies and games on the internet with Winny, police said.

WTF??? Why would a professor do something that stupid?

Police said Kaneko, a vocal advocate of file-sharing, told them he knew he was breaking current copyright laws.

Is this Kaneko a bonehead or what? Stick that foot a little deeper into your mouth there paisan...

[cstaylor]

Reread what you just quoted:

"Kaneko is also accused of helping two Japanese men arrested in November on charges of disseminating movies and games on the internet with Winny, police said"

Police said that Kaneko is accused, and IANAL, but I'm gathering from this article that making Winny available over the Internet constitutes "helping" under Japanese law. I highly doubt he ran his own pirate server.

"Police said Kaneko, a vocal advocate of file-sharing, told them he knew he was breaking current copyright laws." If my above statement is correct, then he probably knew making those tools available would get him into some legal trouble. Again, it's police said, which in Japan doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Maybe Kamome can step in and clear some of this up.

[kamome]

Maybe Kamome can step in and clear some of this up.

Man, I'm not even going to get involved. In fact, this thread is getting close to being blackholed for discussion of file sharing.

[Big Booger]

The Winny Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winny

LOL

I heard on the news the Japanese government have come out of the closet as anti-winny.

[Taro Toporific]

[SIZE="7"][color="red"]WTF?!
Winny Wins?![/color][/SIZE]

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Japan court acquits file-share software creator
AFP - October 8, 2009
A Japanese high court on Thursday acquitted the creator of a popular file-sharing software program of copyright violations, overturning an earlier conviction. "It was a very fair judgment," Isamu Kaneko, the 39-year-old developer of the Winny "peer-to-peer" program. Winny, which Kaneko had made available on his website, enables users to exchange files such as computer games and movies over the Internet for free, making Kaneko a cyberspace icon in Japan...more...