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kamome wrote:... reality-based manga...
Gilligan wrote:Another possible way to find someone to set up a language exchange is to find a native Japanese speaker who is at your college studying English (assuming that your school has some sort of English language program affiliated with it).
kidrock12xp wrote:I am taking Japanese at my college and I was curious what other students or learners of the language did to keep all the knowledge in their head in between semesters (for me that is about 4 months). My friend who is taking Swahili suggested the Rosetta Stone program or getting a pen pal type thing going. The Rosetta Stone program costs too much in my opinion and the pen pal sites I been to all wanted money for you to actually contact anybody.
Is there other methods that are cheaper and or possibly better? Thanks for your time and helping me in this too.
- Scott
Charles wrote::rofl:
I've had this argument with otaku many times. They gush about how they've gained so much insight into Japanese culture by reading Manga XYZ. I say, no, you've gained insight into the mind of ONE AUTHOR, who may or (more likely) may NOT be a good representative of Japanese culture and society.
I personally recommend against manga as study aids, as it is spoken language presented in written form. That gives you weird ideas about both written and spoken forms. IMHO it's better to study spoken words as audio content (videos, tapes etc) and not scribbles in speech bubbles in manga.
kamome wrote:I knew you would jump on this. We've argued about it before at some point. I believe it is a great way to perceive how spoken Japanese works in a particular setting and to learn kanji on the fly. Also, the pictures and story serve as a motivation to learn the characters and the grammar so that you know what is happening. So what you are doing is learning spoken Japanese while reading it and learning the kanji simultaneously.
Manga certainly shouldn't be the only study aid you use, but the original poster said that he needed something to keep Japanese in his head during the summer. Reading manga is one entertaining and helpful way to do that and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand like you're doing.
kamome wrote:I knew you would jump on this. We've argued about it before at some point. I believe it is a great way to perceive how spoken Japanese works in a particular setting and to learn kanji on the fly. Also, the pictures and story serve as a motivation to learn the characters and the grammar so that you know what is happening. So what you are doing is learning spoken Japanese while reading it and learning the kanji simultaneously.
Manga certainly shouldn't be the only study aid you use, but the original poster said that he needed something to keep Japanese in his head during the summer. Reading manga is one entertaining and helpful way to do that and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand like you're doing.
Charles wrote:Well if you have enough experience in the spoken language to get beyond the speech-as-written problems, I suppose it would be OK.
Charles wrote:I've had this argument with otaku many times. They gush about how they've gained so much insight into Japanese culture by reading Manga XYZ. I say, no, you've gained insight into the mind of ONE AUTHOR, who may or (more likely) may NOT be a good representative of Japanese culture and society.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:I'm no advocate of manga for study, but your argument is pretty weak because the same could be said of a novel, a history book, or a news paper article.
pixie.styx16 wrote:Also, if you're wanting to study from anime, I recommend azumanga daioh.
kamome wrote:Don't study from anime.
Charles wrote:True, but we generally read our native language materials that we already know the background. Not so for foreign language materials, we can't readily judge whether it's accurate, maybe it's exaggerated for effect, we may not even know the cultural references.
A silly example today. My Scottish buddy phoned me today to ask what was funny about this bad joke (excuse me if I retell it badly)
"A guy goes to a fancy dress party. The host asks him about his costume. 'It represents my love life.' The host asks why he's dressed like Abraham Lincoln. The guy says 'Yeah, that's the last time I saw my love life, Four Score and Seven Years Ago.'"
OK, so every school kid in the US knows the cultural reference, but this Scot didn't get it or the joke. He asked me "What's this 87 years thing?"
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