Dave Spector Voted Most Popular TV Commentator

[Midwinter]

So you mean in order to get cheap laughs, it's Ok to make fun of someone's ethnicity, religion or physical handicaps...

I amuse myself with yours on a near daily basis.

[Samurai_Jerk]

So you mean in order to get cheap laughs, it's Ok to make fun of someone's ethnicity, religion or physical handicaps.

No, I said it depends on the context. Was the book just a collection of shit he finds funny or was it a book about American humor? If it was the latter then it makes sense to include analysis of racist and race jokes in the book since they are a big part of American humor. Just telling me there's a book Spector wrote that incluces those jokes tells me nothing about his intent.

Oh, and, yeah, I do find jokes about niggers, spics, cripples, retards, kikes, bible thumpers, honkeys, gooks, japs, chinks, wops, camle jockeys, frogs, polocks, micks, faggots and bitches hilarious.

German Cars

[Iraira]

Oh, and, yeah, I do find jokes about niggers, spics, cripples, retards, kikes, bible thumpers, honkeys, gooks, japs, chinks, wops, camle jockeys, frogs, polocks, micks, faggots and bitches hilarious.

Not complaining, but your list is far from complete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_epithet

Let's all refer to Cyka as a "katsap"

[Samurai_Jerk]

Not complaining, but your list is far from complete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_epithet

Let's all refer to Cyka as a "katsap"

No, I draw the line at Russian jokes and frankly I'm offended by your post.

[xenomorph42]

[quote="Midwinter"]I amuse myself with yours on a near daily basis. ]

Oh, BTW, I think you are on the wrong site. This site is for the blogging and chatting, NOT a pick up joint! Pedophiles as far as I'm aware of aren't allowed to post, personal, obnoxious, atrocious, vile rude, repugnant comments on this site.
So please if you are so kind and either go to your nearest "Toys R Us" or better yet, since you probably might be a tad bit more experienced in this field of profession, go to "Babies R Us" for a real thrill, affectionado! Accept no substitutions!:cool:

[xenomorph42]

No, I said it depends on the context. Was the book just a collection of shit he finds funny or was it a book about American humor? If it was the latter then it makes sense to include analysis of racist and race jokes in the book since they are a big part of American humor. Just telling me there's a book Spector wrote that incluces those jokes tells me nothing about his intent.

Oh, and, yeah, I do find jokes about niggers, spics, cripples, retards, kikes, bible thumpers, honkeys, gooks, japs, chinks, wops, camle jockeys, frogs, polocks, micks, faggots and bitches hilarious.

German Cars

I guess, most Racists, Fascists "would" find humor in that.

[Midwinter]

Oh, BTW, I think you are on the wrong site. This site is for the blogging and chatting, NOT a pick up joint! Pedophiles as far as I'm aware of aren't allowed to post, personal, obnoxious, atrocious, vile rude, repugnant comments on this site.
So please if you are so kind and either go to your nearest "Toys R Us" or better yet, since you probably might be a tad bit more experienced in this field of profession, go to "Babies R Us" for a real thrill, affectionado! Accept no substitutions!:cool:

White guys aren't just pedophiles, we're serial killers too. Anyway, don't you have a car stereo to jack?

[xenomorph42]

[quote="Midwinter"]White guys aren't just pedophiles, we're serial killers too. Anyway, don't you have a car stereo to jack? ]

Sorry, I don't have a car. I go on foot, but I'll try to jack someone's shoes to compensate the lack of having 4 wheels. What can I say, the economy is shitty and people are walking more anyway these days. Like mom always told me, "go where the money is" But thanks for the advice Mr. Dahmer.

[Coligny]

Jokes are... well jokes... You can make fun of everything... just not with everybody... (Like the oh so tasty Clarkson jokes on the Benz GPS knowing only the way to go to Varsaw...)
So as long as he don't 'forget' to brake at the red light in front of black people... maybe we can give him a break... especially when you know how little work 'celebrities' usually put in the writing of their books. Friend of mine is a shadow writer for some astronomer... every year she round some of us to come up wish bullshit to put in our astronomical themes. Since she's an excellent cook it's a win win for everybody (her real job is writing culinary books, she loves it, but it's costing more than paying...)

[Samurai_Jerk]

I guess, most Racists, Fascists "would" find humor in that.

Which part?

Anyway, good to see you avoided the main issue.

[Dragonette]

No, I said it depends on the context. Was the book just a collection of shit he finds funny or was it a book about American humor? If it was the latter then it makes sense to include analysis of racist and race jokes in the book since they are a big part of American humor. Just telling me there's a book Spector wrote that incluces those jokes tells me nothing about his intent..

DS's examples are not typical USA humor, and not even close to funny. They sound like something a fucked-up Jr. High School kid might have made up, first cousins to the dead baby and frog in a blender jokes.
It really bothers me that some gullible Japanese might take him at his word that gaijin find this crap funny.

Ethnic jokes are a mainstay of American humor, often written by whoever they're aimed at - black comedians tell black jokes, Jewish comedians tell Jewish jokes, etc. Or they are aimed at the audience, ala Russell Peters.

Why couldn't he have written about that kind of humor instead, or would the nihongo involved be too hard for him? What an asshole!

[TennoChinko]

Spector wrote that book 25 years ago when his insecurities were even greater than they were now. He tries too hard to portray himself as the "ideal white Anglo American" to his Japanese target audience. Blue contact lenses to cover up his brown eyes, ample amounts of hair dye to bleach out his brown hair to blond. And, lifts in his shoes and pads in his undershirts to counter his "height-challengedness". Using "black jokes" as an example of "typical American humor" was probably a good way for him to feel better about himself (ethnically-challenged Joo from Chicago) and help "round out" that desperately sought after "All-American" image.

[xenomorph42]

Which part? If you can or able to, look back at what you wrote.

Anyway, good to see you avoided the main issue.

No, not avoiding the issue, but don't want to degrade myself and stoop to a sub-human level, which to me seems like you're doing a real good job.

[xenomorph42]

DS's examples are not typical USA humor, and not even close to funny. They sound like something a fucked-up Jr. High School kid might have made up, first cousins to the dead baby and frog in a blender jokes.
It really bothers me that some gullible Japanese might take him at his word that gaijin find this crap funny.

Ethnic jokes are a mainstay of American humor, often written by whoever they're aimed at - black comedians tell black jokes, Jewish comedians tell Jewish jokes, etc. Or they are aimed at the audience, ala Russell Peters.

Why couldn't he have written about that kind of humor instead, or would the nihongo involved be too hard for him? What an asshole!

Exactly, my point!:clap:

[Samurai_Jerk]

No, not avoiding the issue, but don't want to degrade myself and stoop to a sub-human level, which to me seems like you're doing a real good job.

No, it's because you know you were totally off base and now you're just grasping at straws by name-calling.

Dragonnette,

I agree that the jokes are neither funny nor good examples of American humor nor even race humor. However, they are exactly the kinds of jokes that were printed in the "Truly Tasteless Jokes" series that was a big hit from the early 80's to the early 90's. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where Spector got these from given the time that his book was published. Because of the popularity of the series at the time, it actually would have been very relevant as a representation of "Monosugoi" American jokes as told by regular Miller Beer drinking peckerwoods.

Again, I'm not defending Spector since I never read the book and know nothing about the context or content. However, I'm not going to call him a racist scumbag either just because I know he wrote a book about American jokes 25 years ago that TennoChinko claims included two stupid racist jokes and I think he "seems like the type" based on his TV persona. I guess it takes a certain ammount of critical thinking not to have a knee-jerk reaction that a mental midget like xenomorph42 just doesn't have.

[xenomorph42]

No, it's because you know you were totally off base and now you're just grasping at straws by name-calling.

Dragonnette,

I agree that the jokes are neither funny nor good examples of American humor nor even race humor. However, they are exactly the kinds of jokes that were printed in the "Truly Tasteless Jokes" series that was a big hit from the early 80's to the early 90's. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where Spector got these from given the time that his book was published. Because of the popularity of the series at the time, it actually would have been very relevant as a representation of "Monosugoi" American jokes as told by regular Miller Beer drinking peckerwoods.

Again, I'm not defending Spector since I never read the book and know nothing about the context or content. However, I'm not going to call him a racist scumbag either just because I know he wrote a book about American jokes 25 years ago that TennoChinko claims included two stupid racist jokes and I think he "seems like the type" based on his TV persona. I guess it takes a certain ammount of critical thinking not to have a knee-jerk reaction that a mental midget like xenomorph42 just doesn't have.

Buddy, I wasn't off-base as you say, but you are to blind to see the point, maybe you are not defending Spector, but the fact that you can see funny to laugh at ANY individual regardless of race, color, ethnicity, religion or gender makes you an insensitive moron, truth be told! The man being a minority himself takes pleasure in making jokes of other minorities to make himself look good???? That in itself is racist thinking! I don't know Spector, but if he can sit around and be that insensitive, then I truly believe the man is a bigot, pure and simple! Critical thinking or not. Has nothing to do with having a knee-jerk reaction, Samurai Jerk...and I really mean, jerk!

[Samurai_Jerk]

Buddy, I wasn't off-base as you say, but you are to blind to see the point, maybe you are not defending Spector, but the fact that you can see funny to laugh at ANY individual regardless of race, color, ethnicity, religion or gender makes you an insensitive moron, truth be told! The man being a minority himself takes pleasure in making jokes of other minorities to make himself look good???? That in itself is racist thinking! I don't know Spector, but if he can sit around and be that insensitive, then I truly believe the man is a bigot, pure and simple! Critical thinking or not. Has nothing to do with having a knee-jerk reaction, Samurai Jerk...and I really mean, jerk!

You really are a fucking idiot. I said IF the book is an analysis of American humor it's not necessarily racist. There have been several books analyzing the word "nigger". Are those books racist for acknowleding that the word exists?

[wuchan]

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[xenomorph42]

You really are a fucking idiot. I said IF the book is an analysis of American humor it's not necessarily racist. There have been several books analyzing the word "nigger". Are those books racist for acknowleding that the word exists?

That's not the point, asshole! Anyway, why the fuck am I trying to debate a moron? If you don't get, I guess there is no help or mental recourse for your imbecilic cerebral cortex!

[Catoneinutica]

Spector wrote that book 25 years ago when his insecurities were even greater than they were now. He tries too hard to portray himself as the "ideal white Anglo American" to his Japanese target audience. Blue contact lenses to cover up his brown eyes, ample amounts of hair dye to bleach out his brown hair to blond. And, lifts in his shoes and pads in his undershirts to counter his "height-challengedness". Using "black jokes" as an example of "typical American humor" was probably a good way for him to feel better about himself (ethnically-challenged Joo from Chicago) and help "round out" that desperately sought after "All-American" image.

Dang, I learned more about that weirdo from TC's post then the entire time I've lived in Japan!

-catone
-"flay his skin"? The fuck? Sounds like Dave's book was written in 1584, not 1984.

[Taro Toporific]

[Samurai_Jerk]

[Samurai_Jerk]

That's not the point, asshole! Anyway, why the fuck am I trying to debate a moron? If you don't get, I guess there is no help or mental recourse for your imbecilic cerebral cortex!

Not only are you humorless PC fag, but you're thick as fuck. Your original response to me mischaracterized what I said and totally missed the point:

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Originally Posted by Samurai_Jerk
Writing a book with racist jokes in it is not necessarily make him a racist. It really depends on the context. If he was trying to explain American humor then covering racist jokes definitely makes sense.


So you mean in order to get cheap laughs, it's Ok to make fun of someone's ethnicity, religion or physical handicaps. Tell you what, if I were to sit in front of Spector and tell Nazi jokes, I wonder if he would find amusement in my humor or if he would try to put his hands around my throat and try to choke the life out of me? He's Jewish, he has enough material for a 24/7 line of Jewish jokes he can make fun of. He can explain to his petty flock about German humor!

[Samurai_Jerk]

Here's that foul racist Eddie Murphy insulting Italian Americans.

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[Mulboyne]

So is it all race jokes or does it cover other funny topics like incest and disability?

Also, is it just a collection of random jokes that he thinks are funny or is it trying to provied some kind of analysis?

I know what you've been asking. I haven't seen the book but tend to think it's unlikely that Spector included those as examples of jokes he personally found funny, or even regarded as "jokes". Rather that he was using them as examples of how "shocking" some jokes could be in the US. Mind you, I wonder just how much nuance he was able to convey in a book published for a Japanese audience back then. If the context wasn't made abundantly clear then he was playing with fire as far as a US audience is concerned.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Scumbag George Carlin insults the world's religious:

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[Samurai_Jerk]

he was using them as examples of how "shocking" some jokes could be in the US.

That's what the sub-title of the book would imply. I think it's interesting that people are so quick to assume he's a racist and a scumbag without actually having read the book. I guess it's the same as people assuming he's a self-hating Jew for bleaching his hair and wearing blue contacts. First of all, trying to look like a Japanese person's idea of a typical American to make it in the business is no quite the same thing as denying your heritage. Secondly, there are plenty of Jews with blue eyes and light hair. Or do people still believe that all Jews look like this:



If he were a dark haired WASP who bleached his hair would people be calling him a sell out for doing so? Somehow I doubt it. I'll admit that when I see Spector on TV something does rub me the wrong way. However, I can't understand why people who really know nothing about him seem to hate him so much and make a lot of assumptions about who he is and how he thinks from his on-screen persona. It's probably a combination of jealousy and latent anti-Semitism.

Self-hating Indian Russel Peters insults Chinese people

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[sublight]

If he were a dark haired WASP who bleached his hair would people be calling him a sell out for doing so? Somehow I doubt it.

Until reading this thread I never knew he was Jewish, and I've always thought he was an obnoxious little dancing monkey sell-out.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Until reading this thread I never knew he was Jewish, and I've always thought he was an obnoxious little dancing monkey sell-out.

That's a different issue. I'm talking about people who say he's sell out specifically for being a Jew who bleaches his hair and wears blue contacts. Maybe we should force him and the other Jews to wear some kind of identifying mark so no one will get confused.

[Kanchou]

I agree. Perhaps a colored star of a yellowish nature and Jewish theme would work. You could just pin it on their clothes and that way everyone would know they're dealing with a Jew.