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[ttjereth]

You mean you don't know the "Big Mother Fucker What's in Charge of Goats"? I thought everybody knew that!

Ah of course. How could I have not known that.

[ttjereth]

The people who find the concept of homosexuality revolting, whether it is their true personal belief, or they got some KY jelly fears hidden in their own closet, are the ones that have their job impacted upon and effected. Consequently, because of these beliefs, they aren't going to want to share a fox hole (or any other hole. for that matter) with someone who is openly gay.

That's a bad precedent to set though. Next they might find people of other races revolting, or religions, even people who like goats.

[james]

yeah it's a shame there are so many people out there who (1) feel it's okay to drop [size=-1]21000lb bombs in far off lands, [/size](2) but just don't want queers doing it on their behalf...

seeing that juxtaposed like that definitely makes one pause to reflect. rather goes hand in hand with what little i've seen of the u.s. psyche wrt to sex and violence. a nipple flash is cause for national concern and front-page coverage but a blind eye is turned to the excessive violence regularly portrayed on tv at times when children are likely viewing.

[Greji]

[quote="ttjereth"]That's a bad precedent to set though. Next they might find people of other races revolting, or religions, even people who like goats. ]

No chance. They've already fought through the religion and race issues about integrating and the Association of Amalgamated Goat Herders, Local 707, will call an immediate shutdown on them if they try anything funny there!

[james]

I think that it's along way off, if ever, until we will see them openly allow gays in the military.

by "the" military, i'm assuming you mean the u.s. military. (some may argue that's the only military that counts, but perhaps we should save that debate for another thread).

i was curious about the policies of other countries and found this article: "Gays In The British Military, A Different Approach"

Currently, 24 countries around the world allow gays to serve openly in the military. The United States and Turkey are the only two NATO countries that ban gays.

Turkey's ban will likely fall if it gains entry to the European Union.
That will leave just the United States.

[emperor]

Iran would be cool with it...

but it just so happens they don't have any gays in their country

[emperor]

Jenna Bush phones her parents from the Ellen show....?

two observations:
1. the daughter sounds borderline retarded at times (just like daddy)
2. why is this lesbian activist & postergirl so nice to his holiness Supreme Overlord GW

[American Oyaji]

[quote="ttjereth"]That's a bad precedent to set though. Next they might find people of other races revolting, or religions, even people who like goats. ]

Homosexuality is a personal CHOICE.

One can't choose one's race unless you're Michael Jackson and many are born into a religion which sometimes ties into ethnicity or where one is from as part of the culture or community heritage.

And to forestal argument, even if I accept that people are, "born gay", they aren't born with someone's dick in their ass. That's a personal choice.

[Adhesive]

Homosexuality is a personal CHOICE.

One can't choose one's race unless you're Michael Jackson and many are born into a religion which sometimes ties into ethnicity or where one is from as part of the culture or community heritage.

And to forestal argument, even if I accept that people are, "born gay", they aren't born with someone's dick in their ass. That's a personal choice.

Practicing homosexual behavior is certainly a choice, but I'm always curious about the true sexual preference of people who claim they can choose to be physically attracted to one sex or the other. It seems to me like the ones saying that gayness is a personal choice are the ones that are gay themselves and out of religious guilt live a life of chastity or conservative activism...with the occasional little-boy touching. Haggard, Foley, Craig, a third of the Holy church, etc.

I know that I couldn't choose to be attracted to a set of hairy balls slapping me upside the head no matter how hard I tried.

[Samurai_Jerk]

many are born into a religion which sometimes ties into ethnicity or where one is from as part of the culture or community heritage.

Interesting point you make. Especially since you think eveyone should choose your religion.

[American Oyaji]

Interesting point you make. Especially since you think eveyone should choose your religion.

What you call religion, I call a way of life.

Funny that you keep bringing it up.

Anyway, a religious belief can be discarded, but in the cases where religion and ethnicity is part of one's daily culture, to discard that mental mindset means to separate oneself from one's culture and people and to become outcast or even hunted in fear of one's life.

Religion can be shed, unlike one's racial traits which are etched permanently into our DNA the same as gender.

[Samurai_Jerk]

What you call religion, I call a way of life.

Funny that you keep bringing it up.

Anyway, a religious belief can be discarded, but in the cases where religion and ethnicity is part of one's daily culture, to discard that mental mindset means to separate oneself from one's culture and people and to become outcast or even hunted in fear of one's life.

Religion can be shed, unlike one's racial traits which are etched permanently into our DNA the same as gender.

Yeah, and I'm sure it's easy to just quit being gay.

[American Oyaji]

Yeah, and I'm sure it's easy to just quit being gay.

Hey, you did it, right?

[Samurai_Jerk]

Hey, you did it, right?

I do have occassional relapses.

[kamome]

And to forestal argument, even if I accept that people are, "born gay", they aren't born with someone's dick in their ass. That's a personal choice.

Turning this around, would you tell heterosexuals to give up having straight sex so as not to offend another's religious beliefs? Personally, would you be able to give up pussy because someone else's religion says that's the right thing to do? Or better yet, would you be willing to give up straight sex and become a pole smoker because someone's religion says that is the right path? Of course not. So why do you get the privilege of telling gay people the same thing? It's a double standard.

Whatever your beliefs, just keep them private and live life like you feel you should live it. No one wants to have someone else's morality dictated to them.

[james]

Homosexuality is a personal CHOICE.

sexual orientation is no more a personal choice than is race, and - unfortunately for many - intelligence, one's native language, place of birth, and any other number of variables one does not personally control at the time of birth.

so tell us, how exactly did you or i make the choice to be straight? how did you make the choice to be black and i the choice to be white? the simple undeniable fact is that neither of us made any of those so-called choices.

i really can't comprehend the mentality of people that think this is a choice that can be conciously and voluntarily made.

think of it this way - when you see a member of the opposite sex that pushes whatever buttons that makes AO say "i'd hit that" is it something you think about? i'm guessing that like any guy, within a matter of 1/4 of a second, if that, your baser instincts have already made that decision for you. it's the same for people who are gay, only with members of the same sex. it's just a different wiring.

[ttjereth]

Homosexuality is a personal CHOICE.

One can't choose one's race unless you're Michael Jackson and many are born into a religion which sometimes ties into ethnicity or where one is from as part of the culture or community heritage.

And to forestal argument, even if I accept that people are, "born gay", they aren't born with someone's dick in their ass. That's a personal choice.

My my, for someone who yells at people on here about racism every once in awhile we certainly are intolerant aren't we.

Religion is just as much a choice, no matter how much it "ties into ethnicity or where one is from as part of the culture or community heritage".

You can "choose" to be gay and get thrown out of your family/community and you can choose to change religions and be thrown out of your family/community.

[hundefar]

Religion can be shed, unlike one's racial traits which are etched permanently into our DNA the same as gender.

Now, we do not know if people are born homosexual. But we do know that homosexuality can't be shed either, just like race. Sure, you can choose not to act out your gay impulses and rob yourself of love, sex, and so on. But why the hell would anyone want to do that? That's why you have married guys trying to get laid in public parks and restrooms. Those are the people who try to be someone they are not, and end up going weird places to act out their sexuality.

Sexuality is a mighty powerful force and it doesn't tame that easily.

[American Oyaji]

I stand by what I said.
One CHOOSES a homosexual lifestyle. Whether it be fear of women or of being hurt by women or being abused, one chooses it.
Until a scientific study is done that PROVES otherwise, I can't buy it.
Current studies study gay people AFTER they've lived a gay lifestyle, but there is no baseline on mental processes of someone who's not yet crossed that line, so the science is suspect.

I said gender is etched into DNA. Not sexuality.

One can cut an pinch and inject all they want, but in the DNA reading, it will still tell the equipment one was born with.

And Kamome, cool it. OK? Everyone has an opinion. Don't lean on me because mine is unpopular and I don't choose to share your "enlightened" view of homosexuality.

[Mulboyne]

I stand by what I said. One CHOOSES a homosexual lifestyle.

AO, drop the lifestyle word, your religious and personal objections are to gay sex. Perhaps your personal objections even predate your religious ones. You said earlier that you agree that people are born gay so why the talk of "fear of women" or "abuse"? Some people - prisoners, British public school boarders, sailors - might choose it when other options for sex are limited but surely the primary reason why people choose to have gay sex is because they are gay.

[American Oyaji]

I did not agree. I said, let's say I agree. I was using it in a devil's advocate manner.

Mulb, I DO object to the flamboyant in your face lifestyle that many homosexuals lead.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I did not agree. I said, let's say I agree. I was using it in a devil's advocate manner.

Mulb, I DO object to the flamboyant in your face lifestyle that many homosexuals lead.

So the quiet average Joe guys that happen to be gay are OK with you? Don't answer because I know they're not. Most gay guys I've met are not like the flamers that were on Queer Eye. That was basically a gay minstrel show.

My friend in college was a great example of a normal guy that happened to be gay. He was a former Marine, ex-Florida State Trooper, and came across like a regular shit-kicking good ole boy from down South. The only reason I or anyone else knew he was gay is because he told a girl that was supposedly a close friend of his and she went and told everyone. The great part is that in this small hick town in Georgia that I lived in at the time, even the biggest peckerwood rednecks had the same reaction as everyone else: So what?

What about "flamboyant" heterosexuals like you, me, and most the guys on this board who've posted about their sexual conquests in Japan at some point or another? I know you're Mr. straing-and-narrow celibate now, but you still occasionally like to post about what a stud you were way back when and about how big your cock is. I'm not critisizing you for that; I'm critisizing you for the hypocricy. As straight guys it's OK for us to talk all the shit we want because we're normal. But the minute a gay guy even says he's gay, he's a flamboyant flaming Queen who should just shut the fuck up, get back in the closet, and keep it to himself.

I knew a guy in high school that turned out to be gay. He wasn't a friend of mine, so when I heard he'd come out in college it didn't really impact me at all. However, I had been friends with a guy that was his best friend. That best friend never spoke to him again. Think about that AO. Losing your best friend just because of who you're attracted to. Must have been a tough choice to be gay, huh?

[james]

I stand by what I said.

then you likely stand alone, or close to it around here.

One CHOOSES a homosexual lifestyle. Whether it be fear of women or of being hurt by women or being abused, one chooses it.
Until a scientific study is done that PROVES otherwise, I can't buy it.

bollocks.

current studies study gay people AFTER they've lived a gay lifestyle, but there is no baseline on mental processes of someone who's not yet crossed that line, so the science is suspect.

wrong! there are numerous studies where the sexual orientation of children, identical twins no less, is apparent long before they're anywhere near being pubescent, let alone "choosing to lead a gay lifestyle" or being hurt by women as you so fallaciously put it.

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I said gender is etched into DNA. Not sexuality.

studies, such as the above identical twins studies, would suggest that DNA isn't the whole picture, but there is definitely a genetic predisposition. no doubt there are other factors, and like all scientific studies, views will be revised as more information is found. it's a common theme in physics too. some will argue it's A, others will argue it's B and more often than not, neither party holds a monopoly on truth.

[hundefar]

Mulb, I DO object to the flamboyant in your face lifestyle that many homosexuals lead.

Well, you don't have to like everyone in the world, you just have to accept that they are there and that they are entitled to live the way they wish, just as you are. It just seems to me that your opinion on homosexuality isn't very well informed at all.

First of all, as Mulboyne also noted, I don't think that gay people are scared of women and so on, as you said. Some of the gay people I know have never had relationships with the opposite sex, because they have just never been attracted to them. Since childhood they have had crushes on members of the same sex. Usually they also have many close friendships with members of the opposite sex, and that goes for most of the female/male gays I know.

Second of all, there are many things I don't like. For instance I don't like fundamentalist christians or moslems. I don't like women covered up from top to toe because of a religion that I regard as being medieval, at least in many of its forms. I don't like commies or socialists, and so on. I am a pretty conservative person in many ways.

But I really don't object to fundamentalist christian or islamic groups handing me reading material against the theory of evolution or what not in the street. I don't object to commies or socialists marching in the streets to claim more state welfare or whatever it is they want this time.Because I have a deep belief in the right to be different, whether it is an opinion or something that you did not choose yourself as sexuality or race. I like for other people to accept me, so I have to accept them. Simple as that.

Really, you should muster some of that brotherly love and maybe accept that being homosexual is something that you are, REGARDLESS of whether you choose to act it out. And also that not acting it out and being who you are will cause a lot of problems as I mentioned earlier.

I don't know if you have ever had many gay friends, but it doesn't sounds like it. So a little more humility towards other people's lives (which you actually don't seem to know so much about..this particular aspect I mean) and a little more tolerance would be nice

[emperor]

pls del

[emperor]

can you imagine if ALL gays dressed and acted like HG & remember we're talking an estimated 10%+ of the worlds population...



lol - 'postwar leftovers'



was that a nampa dude bothering the chick half way through?

[Iraira]

I said gender is etched into DNA. Not sexuality..

AO, don't take this personally.....

There is a shitload of peer-reviewed articles on how genetic variation for various life history characteristics can affect a wide range of other characteristics. One of my favorites is that altering the hydrocarbon chain (epicuticular hydrocarbon) ratios on the thorax of fruit flies (which serve as gender and species identification markers) makes males court other males. Or putting female ratio chain ratios in the food makes males try to inseminate the food. True these are flies, but don't think for a moment that humans are much different. A good citation regarding the genetic control of this variation and how the affect the phenotypes is in PNAS (http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/98/7/3920).
A good review of mating behavior (to understand just how deeply genetics function to control mating behavior) can be found in Markow and Grady 2005
http://eebweb.arizona.edu/faculty/markow/articles/Ann%20Rev%20Genetics%20Markow%20OGrady%202005.pdf

Therese Markow was a hottie in the early 1990s, which made the annual Evolution conferences more tolerable.

And the above cases are just from looking at one of the many aspects of mating (recognition). I am not even going to bring up the MRI/CT differences in brain structure between lesbian and heterosexual women.
When you have a good handle on how DNA does affect behaviors, traits, morphology, etc., your opinion may change.

[Samurai_Jerk]

When you have a good handle on how DNA does affect behaviors, traits, morphology, etc., your opinion may change.

Faith can always trump science and reason.

[Iraira]

Faith can always trump science and reason.

That's when I rely on common ground with which me can all relate

http://video.ask.jp/watch.do?v=2a603aaf-f0ee-4527-965a-794ac7a9b52b

[Samurai_Jerk]

That's when I rely on common ground with which me can all relate

http://video.ask.jp/watch.do?v=2a603aaf-f0ee-4527-965a-794ac7a9b52b

I'm not sure what exactly we're all relating to.