Becky's first affair - with a married man; tabloids go crazy

[wagyl]

Does that mean I get to point back and laugh at you for thinking I don't when you seem to think you do when you obviously don't given that your nice little summary of his position on immigration would be a textbook case of it, even though I was talking about his ecological stuff and not in the narrow sense you seem to understand it? Befittingly narrow though it is......

They kinda look alike, btw.

Night pooky.

I have no idea what his views on immigration are. I don't think he has ever expressed them, or had any reason to. I did, however, give an example of what nativism is. Thank you for recognising it as textbook.

I somehow doubt that a person who is from another country and is quite manifestly of a different culture to the dominant group here who entered the country before him, has a nativist stance.

The resemblance: it's uncanny!

[kurogane]

Hee Hee. That is an example of what it can be, but not all of what it is. Good to see I am not the only one that doesn't read all of what's in front of me. Nighty night

[wagyl]

From the sounds of it, me and a lot of people that don't subscribe to whatever Wikipedia or Time Magazine tells us is true and don't insist that the vernacular understanding is the only option.

Ooh! Ooh! Am I allowed to add to this list?
Merriam-Webster
The Economist
Oxford Dictionaries
It would be churlish to go on, and I think picking the respectable links out of the first ten pages of google hits is enough, suffice it to say that the "I prefer native flora and fauna" concept has not yet appeared (Not that that is his belief either: he is more "active forest management/stewardship, even if usually non-native, but please don't do monoculture, OK kids?").

If the vernacular understanding is not the default option, how are we expected to communicate?

I believe Monsieur proves that every single day.


As an aside, is it a requirement that you list the date you naturalised on whisky commercials? Does that information increase or decrease sales?

[Russell]

As an aside, is it a requirement that you list the date you naturalised on whisky commercials? Does that information increase or decrease sales?

Well, it is under his day of birth, so now he can claim to be a Reborn Japanese (c).

I actually was under the impression that this is his passport photo...

[kurogane]

If the vernacular understanding is not the default option, how are we expected to communicate?

That was what really got my attention. With SJ I can dig that what I thought was a restricted historical American usage was the normal or vernacular to him, but as far as we know, which is not very far, you're not American at all. I was referring to a tendency to lionise or at least prioritise so-called native culture and tradition, including modes of industry and subsistence, and a tendency to decry the foreign or introduced as disruptive and adulterating. It's obviously a term in common usage in some branches of social science and not much elsewhere.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... h/nativism
3. A return to or emphasis on indigenous customs, in opposition to outside influences.

Anyways, apology accepted.

BTW, I don't disagree with anything he says, I just find it rather like a Reader's Digest version, which certainly speaks to his urban sophisticate target market, as you mentioned above. And he has an OBE!!! Good for him. I met him you know...........somewhere in the wilds out your way 20 or so years ago. He seemed very nice. His daughter also, so he gets a Good Parent Award too.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I was referring to a tendency to lionise or at least prioritise so-called native culture and tradition, including modes of industry and subsistence, and a tendency to decry the foreign or introduced as disruptive and adulterating.

Shouldn't a nativist be a member of the group they're trying to protect? Otherwise you're part of the foreign influence. That's what I was talking about.

[wagyl]

but as far as we know, which is not very far,

Success!

you're not American at all.

Correct. I just envy them for their freedom and liberty.

I had no idea what nativism was, so after reading your post I did a search through the usual lexicographical suspects and found nothing that made any sense, so, in that fun-loving way we have on this board, I gave you the opportunity to explain what you might mean. It certainly took a while before you eventually explained what you mean, and even then, it seems to be different to the definitions you find when you search for nativism in an ecological context. A cruel person would say that you are so far up your social sciences arse that you don't know when you are not communicating.

Interestingly enough, the area he is in does not in fact have a long tradition of forestry or settlement, but we are now going far off tangent.

It is worth remembering that Kim Philby and Lester Piggott had OBE's, Rolf Harris a higher ranking CBE, and they are just the well known revocations.

[kurogane]

Shouldn't a nativist be a member of the group they're trying to protect? Otherwise you're part of the foreign influence. That's what I was talking about.

You would hope so, but inasmuch as he does play to that the word works analytically. To me his persona plays on the outsider-insider tension he represents just by living in Japan for so bloody long but stubbornly remaining so very white, like Alex Kerr but without the superb Japanese, peevish anger and, of course, the pederasty.

[kurogane]

It certainly took a while before you eventually explained what you mean, and even then, it seems to be different to the definitions you find when you search for nativism in an ecological context. A cruel person would say that you are so far up your social sciences arse that you don't know when you are not communicating.

I wasn't using it in an ecological context but a socio-cultural one, albeit in the context of his ecological work. Irregardlessly, and futhermoreover , the failure to communicate was what really got me there. I was having horrid flashbacks of Talking to Regular Canadians, and so moved by your gracious apology I decided to accept it in the same spirit. Far from feeling cruelly done, it reminded me that sometimes it's better not to assume that because you know something to be true you can satisfy others that it is. Like how much Becky's father sort of resembles CDubya of about 20 years ago.

[wagyl]

I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean by apology.





Just in case this inadvertently continues the discussion,

(In truth I was waiting for an apology from you. You are the Canadian, after all...)

[kurogane]

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[legion]

As an aside, is it a requirement that you list the date you naturalised on whisky commercials? Does that information increase or decrease sales?

Well, it is under his day of birth, so now he can claim to be a Reborn Japanese (c).

I actually was under the impression that this is his passport photo...

I think the idea of the dates is "vintage" adding to the conflation of Nic & Nikka

I guess whisky advertising gets a bit random after sampling a few glasses for research purposes.

[Russell]

A cruel person would say that you are so far up your social sciences arse that you don't know when you are not communicating.

[dimwit]

Back to the subject at hand, is Becky good at becky? That's the question I'd like to ask Emon whatshisname.

[kurogane]

16.54 obscurity points for that one!!!

Is that actually a common term amongst you young whippersnappers?

[Samurai_Jerk]

16.54 obscurity points for that one!!!

Is that actually a common term amongst you young whippersnappers?

It's not obscure. You're just old.

[kurogane]

Hehehe. I still call the Kulchur Kard. One of the definitions involved the phrase "That Shit so Cash!" (urbandictionary.com??) That's not English, that's Fat Albert speak. And not one of the more eloquent members

[Conker]

Oooh. I have a sneaky feeling Mom used to be quietly hot. Dad looks like that weird Welsh dude that used to talk to the trees in Nagano. The nativist gork.

Rab C. Nesbitt was the first thing that sprang to my mind. o.O

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Enjoy seeing Becky while you can because she's gonna become a whole lot rarer from now on.
She was caught lying this week, including telling her boyfriend how she would "pull the wool over the eyes" of the media by pretending they were just friends. I suspect many of the numerous entertainment world figures who spoke out on her behalf will feel quite betrayed.

[BigInJapan]

Enjoy seeing Becky while you can because she's gonna become a whole lot rarer from now on.
She was caught lying this week, including telling her boyfriend how she would "pull the wool over the eyes" of the media by pretending they were just friends. I suspect many of the numerous entertainment world figures who spoke out on her behalf will feel quite betrayed.

Yep, I saw mention of that on one of the tech sites I read (ASCII maybe). Someone (possibly a music-related individual) is really burning them by leaking more screenshots of their LINE chats (I guess the gossip rags pay big yen). And now LINE is doing some serious ass-covering by posting warnings about how to ensure this doesn't happen to you. They are stressing that it can only happen if someone gets a hold of your LINE password (and/or has direct access to your device), so folks have no worries about being "hacked" etc.
This second leak (allegedly proving that Becky knew the guy was married), along with no questions allowed at the "apology press conference" (the media crapped themselves over that ), and I don't think we'll be seeing her for much longer. It looks like most, if not all of her sponsors have distanced themselves too. Sayonara.

[Takechanpoo]

why the fuck does this issue get connected with sexism?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/f ... try-sexism
fucking damn double-tongued brtish pig medias japan reports are always spiteful, twisted and by all means try getting connected with their stereotyped old-fashioned j-desires.

[wagyl]

Well, they don't even know her surname so that shows their level of research.

[Coligny]

why the fuck does this issue get connected with sexism?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/f ... try-sexism
fucking damn double-tongued brtish pig medias japan reports are always spiteful, twisted and by all means try getting connected with their stereotyped old-fashioned j-desires.

Pigs versus monkeys...

Just add a sharknado and you got a blockbuster in the making...

[dimwit]

Well, they don't even know her surname so that shows their level of research.

Huh? I'm I being obtuse? Who doesn't know her surname? The Guardian? That is her name, according to her.

https://www.facebook.com/Becky-Rebecca- ... 399153061/

[canman]

Yeah, the article by Phillip Brassor also used that surname. I didn't know that was her full name until reading it there.

[Takechanpoo]

or igirisu dudes still persistently have a grudge against japan enslaving some of them and destroying their british empire in WW2?

[wagyl]

No. That is not her surname. She does not have an uncle Stevie.

Show me where she says that is her surname. A facebook fansite is not the celebrity talent I give up herself.

Someone must have put a Japanese transliteration of her surname back through Google Translate.

I think she and her family will be happy that it has been mangled that way.

[Coligny]

or igirisu dudes still persistently have a grudge against japan enslaving some of them and destroying their british empire in WW2?

Well if it's the case, compared to the crybaby-ing on Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuking, the Britts are barely talking aboot it...

[dimwit]

First of all, she was a sister that goes by the name of Jessica Ray Vaughan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5RDqmj37n4#t=38

Secondly here is her IMDb mention.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2114691/

Your argument, as far as I can see is that Ray-Vaughan is an unique name only befitting of hillbillys who dump the contents of their septic tanks on roadways.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Ray was Stevie's middle name. IMDB isn't the best source. Especially not for actors who are little known in the Anglosphere. Some places list their family name as Rabone. Jessica seems to use both.

http://www.fashion-j.com/blog/fashion/2 ... ughan.html

http://ameblo.jp/jessicarabone/