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Postby Mulboyne » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:17 pm

[floatl]Image[/floatl]John Cho, who will play Sulu in the next Star Trek film, speaks in an interview about the role and the current environment for Asian actors:

You are playing (Hikaru) Sulu in the new Star Trek film. How do you feel about playing a Japanese character, being a Korean American?

J.C: I'm insulted! [sarcastic] No. I don't feel like it has any particular bearing on this role because he is Japanese American. I wouldn't take a part that is Japanese from Japan, or a recent Japanese immigrant, because I don't think there is a way that I could do that accent really effectively and convincingly. As far as the surname goes and cultural background, I think it's irrelevant. I think it's more, "Can you be convincing as an actor?" Sometimes you're better off casting someone who is really from that culture because the role calls for an accent that's going to be convincing. But I talked to George (Takei, the actor who first played Sulu) about it, and he said that (Gene) Roddenberry's original intent was that everybody on the bridge of the Enterprise was supposed to represent the entire world. He said that Sulu was supposed to represent the continent of Asia. They didn't have a specific cultural origin for him before the show was cast. Then George was cast and they needed to come up with a name. Gene was looking at a map and saw the name Sulu Sea and it bordered multiple Asian countries, and he thought that this was kind of a Pan-Asian name. When they came up with a first name, George is Japanese American, so they give him the name Hikaru. But the intent was not really to create a Japanese-specific character, the intent was to create a Pan-Asian character...more...
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Postby GuyJean » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:37 pm

Is he 'that Asian guy from American Pie'?..

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Postby American Oyaji » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:43 pm

GuyJean wrote:Is he 'that Asian guy from American Pie'?..

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Postby Gilligan » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:22 pm

I wouldn't take a part that is Japanese from Japan, or a recent Japanese immigrant, because I don't think there is a way that I could do that accent really effectively and convincingly.


I LOVE THAT. I don't pretend to understand the issues of portraying one cultural group in a movie when you're actually from a different cultural group, but this guy's boiled it down to being ALL about the accent.

I would think that if, say some Australian guy were to portray an American in a Japanese movie, the Americans who would get all po'ed about it would be complaining about more than just the fact that the Aussie guy didn't SOUND like an American.
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Postby kusai Jijii » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:27 pm

Gilligan wrote:I LOVE THAT. I don't pretend to understand the issues of portraying one cultural group in a movie when you're actually from a different cultural group, but this guy's boiled it down to being ALL about the accent.

I would think that if, say some Australian guy were to portray an American in a Japanese movie, the Americans who would get all po'ed about it would be complaining about more than just the fact that the Aussie guy didn't SOUND like an American.


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Postby Midwinter » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:30 pm

Gilligan wrote:I would think that if, say some Australian guy were to portray an American in a Japanese movie, the Americans who would get all po'ed about it would be complaining about more than just the fact that the Aussie guy didn't SOUND like an American.


Quite possibly, some of my Yankee friends are quite sensitive as to how the great, American comic book legends are being mostly played by Australian actors. Wolverine (Hugh Jackman), Bruce Banner (Eric Banna), the Joker (Heath "walking pharmacy" Ledger), and the soon to be GI Joe movie is said to have an Aussie in the lead role of Duke.

Whatever happened to the American Hollywood badasses of a few years back, anyway?
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Postby ttjereth » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:45 pm

Gilligan wrote:I LOVE THAT. I don't pretend to understand the issues of portraying one cultural group in a movie when you're actually from a different cultural group, but this guy's boiled it down to being ALL about the accent.

I would think that if, say some Australian guy were to portray an American in a Japanese movie, the Americans who would get all po'ed about it would be complaining about more than just the fact that the Aussie guy didn't SOUND like an American.


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Postby ttjereth » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:47 pm

Midwinter wrote:Quite possibly, some of my Yankee friends are quite sensitive as to how the great, American comic book legends are being mostly played by Australian actors. Wolverine (Hugh Jackman), Bruce Banner (Eric Banna), the Joker (Heath "walking pharmacy" Ledger), and the soon to be GI Joe movie is said to have an Aussie in the lead role of Duke.

Whatever happened to the American Hollywood badasses of a few years back, anyway?


I've never given a second thought to any of those roles, the accents and everything all seemed fine to me.

Besides, Wolverine is Canadian :p

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Postby kusai Jijii » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:55 pm

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Postby American Oyaji » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:57 pm

ttjereth wrote:I've never given a second thought to any of those roles, the accents and everything all seemed fine to me.

Besides, Wolverine is Canadian :p


Truth. And if I don't miss my guess, he uses a Canadian accent, not an American one in the movies. (Hugh Jackman that is)
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Postby kamome » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:16 am

You've also got Batman being played by Christian Bale, a Brit. But it doesn't matter where he's from - he's a great actor.
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Postby Gilligan » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:17 am

Not to quibble with all of you, but...

Gilligan wrote:I would think that if, say some Australian guy were to portray an American in a Japanese movie, the Americans who would get all po'ed about it would be complaining about more than just the fact that the Aussie guy didn't SOUND like an American.


And keep in mind, I'm not saying that I would give a rat's ass, but I suspect there's someone who would get all upset about it.
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Postby Uhhuh35 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:58 am

Here's a good one from MadTV. John "coaches" Bobby Lee on getting a TV role and using the proper accent.

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Postby Mulboyne » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:49 am

When Cho talks about not taking on a Japanese character rather than a Japanese-American because he couldn't be sure to get the accent right, he undoubtedly means that he'd probably prefer not to take on the potential shitstorm. The accent is a pretty low barrier for an actor these days and that wouldn't be a genuine hurdle for him. While he probably wouldn't want to be cast as a Japanese WWII soldier, I can't see that he would have had too big a problem with a role like Masahashi Ando which is played by Korean-American James Kyson Lee.
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Postby Greji » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:33 am

Gilligan wrote:Not to quibble with all of you, but...



And keep in mind, I'm not saying that I would give a rat's ass, but I suspect there's someone who would get all upset about it.


I have never been able to figure out people suddenly turn so nationalistic when we're talking about a movie part. I mean isn't the job of an actor, or actress to project their impression of a role and impersonate the character that has been written into the script?

Charleton Heston played Ben Hur and he damn sure ain't Italian. Brando has played all types, Greeks, Italians, Irish and an occasional American.

Dr. House is as American as Apple Pie, right? Other great American doctors would also include Hannibal Lecter, right. Grease was all American right?

Why can't people just stick to a critique of how the role is played, instead of worrying, or bitching about who's playing it. It should be a testament to good acting for someone to play a nationality, or ethnic role to which they don't belong, and portray it in an excellent form. Look at Take! He does a wonderful Japanese!
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Postby ttjereth » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:40 pm

Gilligan wrote:Not to quibble with all of you, but...



And keep in mind, I'm not saying that I would give a rat's ass, but I suspect there's someone who would get all upset about it.


That's not a bet I'd take. There's someone who will get upset at just about anything somewhere in the world :D

Just for the record, I'm not actually a fan of the whole use any actor who might be some sort of asian/at least brown skinned thing. But what generally does it in for me is hearing them speak the supposed native language of the character they are portraying. I don't know why but it irritates me enough to ruin the enjoyment of a movie/TV show to hear some supposedly native Japanese/Spanish/whatever absolutely mangle the language.

Good examples of this would be the movie Rising Sun, already infamous for a variety of other reasons, and even the two "Japanese" guys on the TV show heroes.

Australians, Canadians, Brits and Americans playing each other don't tend to bother me because generally they pull it off a lot better than the Chinese actors playing Japanese, French actors playing Scots or Antonio Banderas playing an Arab, etc. I don't think it bothers most Americans (in fact I know plenty of people who probably don't realize that say Christian Bale is British or Heath Ledger is (was?) Australian, there are tons of people that don't realize Hugh Laurie, currently on the TV show House, is British).

I'm not certain it works both ways though, putting aside Kevin Costner's complete lack of trying to even do an English accent, I know several Brit and Aussie friends who have not been favorbly inclined towards movies/tv shows where the opposite occurs (American playing a Brit etc.), but maybe some of the others on here could speak more to their opinions.

How about an American born Australian actor playing a Scot? :p

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Postby ttjereth » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:44 pm

Oh, and just for the record, the Sulu thing doesn't bother me, the character is supposed to be of vaguely asian origin anyway and the original speaks in a more standard American English accent than I do.

I think I'd find it more disconcerting that Harold is in Star Trek...


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Postby Adhesive » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:06 pm

ttjereth wrote:
I think I'd find it more disconcerting that Harold is in Star Trek...


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Postby ttjereth » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:42 pm

Adhesive wrote::hehe:


Images of Mr. Sulu hitting a bong or the captain finding his stash keep flashing through my head.

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Postby hundefar » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:55 pm

ttjereth wrote:That's not a bet I'd take. There's someone who will get upset at just about anything somewhere in the world :D


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Postby joshuaism » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:38 pm

ttjereth wrote:Just for the record, I'm not actually a fan of the whole use any actor who might be some sort of asian/at least brown skinned thing. But what generally does it in for me is hearing them speak the supposed native language of the character they are portraying. I don't know why but it irritates me enough to ruin the enjoyment of a movie/TV show to hear some supposedly native Japanese/Spanish/whatever absolutely mangle the language.

Good examples of this would be the movie Rising Sun, already infamous for a variety of other reasons, and even the two "Japanese" guys on the TV show heroes.

Australians, Canadians, Brits and Americans playing each other don't tend to bother me because generally they pull it off a lot better than the Chinese actors playing Japanese, French actors playing Scots or Antonio Banderas playing an Arab, etc.


You would think Cho would be more cautious about representing a person of a different heritage than his own. I mean, didn't he just make a movie about the dangers brown people face due to American people's ignorance and confusion regarding the fact that there are actually many different kinds of brown people and that they don't all look alike?

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Postby ttjereth » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:47 pm

Am currently watching the recent Colour of Magic Tv movie which brings up another good example, Sean Astin playing the character Twoflower who is supposed to be Asian, in a British production no less :D

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Postby xenomorph42 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:52 am

Midwinter wrote:Quite possibly, some of my Yankee friends are quite sensitive as to how the great, American comic book legends are being mostly played by Australian actors. Wolverine (Hugh Jackman), Bruce Banner (Eric Banna), the Joker (Heath "walking pharmacy" Ledger), and the soon to be GI Joe movie is said to have an Aussie in the lead role of Duke.

Whatever happened to the American Hollywood badasses of a few years back, anyway?


I think it`s all a big ruse, to most Americans that I know, where the actor/actress comes from is totally irrelevant, the quality and the skill of the performer is what they`re judged on-remember; the US is a country made up of immigrants and to have a pro-American attitude that only an American can play "American" roles or Korean playing Japanese roles, whatever the case, is totally bogus. Case in point; Heath, Mel, Kidman, they are all treated like rock stars in the US, not to mention, Mel owns a large portion of Malibu county, CA.
At this point if Sulu is played by a dude from Bangladesh, wouldn`t bother me in the least as long as he can take the Enterprise beyond "warp 4" more power to him!
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Postby Adhesive » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:32 pm

The modern American male has been pussified by p.c. bullshit to such an extent that we now have to import our badasses from Australia. Hell, even the Brits are starting to portray more masculinity than the average American thespian. :(
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Postby Gilligan » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:50 pm

Adhesive wrote:The modern American male has been pussified by p.c. bullshit to such an extent that we now have to import our badasses from Australia. Hell, even the Brits are starting to portray more masculinity than the average American thespian. :(


I see what you mean ;)
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Postby Greji » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:45 pm

ttjereth wrote:Hey! What's wrong with thespians?


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Postby American Oyaji » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:14 pm

Got a question for our friends across the water.
How was Renee Zellweger in "Bridget Jones Diary"?
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Postby Mulboyne » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:06 pm

American Oyaji wrote:Got a question for our friends across the water.
How was Renee Zellweger in "Bridget Jones Diary"?

Fine. As was Gwyneth Paltrow and Reese Witherspoon in their recent British character roles.

Most people who watch films probably don't even know when the actors are playing outside their own nationality unless they happen to be a big name. When they do notice, it's usually when the accent is bad like Don Cheadle's cockney in Ocean's 11 but that is supposed to be a light-hearted film anyway so it's almost part of the joke. Audrey Hepburn's cockney in "My Fair Lady" was even further off and she was half-English.

As Greji says, if the performance stands up then, even in today's media-savvy world, audiences don't necessarily get too nationalistic. Sean Connery has been distinctively Scottish no matter what the nationality of his character - his "Irish" cop in the "Untouchables" is a good example.
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Postby Gilligan » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:04 pm

Mulboyne wrote:Fine. As was Gwyneth Paltrow and Reese Witherspoon in their recent British character roles.

Most people who watch films probably don't even know when the actors are playing outside their own nationality unless they happen to be a big name. When they do notice, it's usually when the accent is bad like Don Cheadle's cockney in Ocean's 11 but that is supposed to be a light-hearted film anyway so it's almost part of the joke. Audrey Hepburn's cockney in "My Fair Lady" was even further off and she was half-English.

As Greji says, if the performance stands up then, even in today's media-savvy world, audiences don't necessarily get too nationalistic. Sean Connery has been distinctively Scottish no matter what the nationality of his character - his "Irish" cop in the "Untouchables" is a good example.


Just to prove that you don't need to be from a foreign country to butcher an accent, get a load of Robin Williams horrendously inconsistent effort at pulling off a Boston accent in Good Will Hunting. Of course if you're not from a particular region you may never know if the accent works or not. Was Sean Penn's effort at a Louisiana accent in All the King's Men good? Sounded good to me but I've never been anywhere near there. And Jude Law and Anthony Hopkins sounded good (and acted well) in the same movie.
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