'EMPEROR' the film?

[Taro Toporific]

First EMPEROR Clip Starring Tommy Lee Jones and Matthew Fox
Sep 14, 2012 | ilmofilia.com
Here’s the first clip from the upcoming Emperor movie, which comes from director Peter Webber and stars always great Tommy Lee Jones, Matthew Fox and Eriko Hatsune.
The movie, or if you prefer – the historical drama will premiere this night at the Toronto International Film Festival, and we have no doubts that it will be a successful night for Webber and his team...more...

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None of the reviews are seem positive. Even the release date is unknown but there is small information available at: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2103264/

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Well, there endeth TLJ's lucrative stint for Boss....


* I wonder if TLJ has ever heard MacArthur speak? Seems like he doesn't even attempt to mimic him...

[Taro Toporific]

I wonder if TLJ has ever heard MacArthur speak? Seems like he doesn't even attempt to mimic him...

MacArthur had what is now an affected, unappealing manner of speech. Add to that Tommy Lee Jones is not known for doing accents* and the "Boss" may not get his coffee.


*Anybody remember Tommy Lee Jones doing a bad Irish accent as a renegade IRA bomber in "Blown Away"?☠, imdb.com

[Coligny]

TLJ is way to old to play Mc Arthur circa 1945...

(Speaking of TLJ... MIB3 was really not so bad...)

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TLJ is way to old to play Mc Arthur circa 1945...

(Speaking of TLJ... MIB3 was really not so bad...)

SCAP in 1945 = 65 y.o.
TLF in 2011/12 = 66/67 y.o.

He didn't wear his pants up around his neck like SCAP did, either...

I've got to admit I like MacArthur, but fuck knows why. He's the antithesis of nearly every one of my beliefs...a religious zealot, borderline fascist, far-right wing Merkin. I guess I can relate to the enormously inflated ego (meglomania???) and cowardice. Perhaps it's all just nostalgia from a childhood in age when there was far less information available and controls over that were far greater, effective and manipulated than now...

[Coligny]

Damn... TLJ look like such a wreck in MIB3 that you'd think he's way past 80... (most of the movie his character is played by another actor as a younger him... they pulled a bit of Dr Who timelordish paradox...)


As for MacArthur... i can't share the lve since i discoverd the character throught his korean madness (he's the guy who wanted to dig trench and fill them with radioactive sludge to prevent enemy troops form coming in right ?)

I still prefer Colin "I never signed up for this shit" Powell...

[cstaylor]

...a religious zealot

Wrong.

borderline fascist

Wrong.

far-right wing Merkin

Wrong, unless you're judging him by the company he keeps.

I guess I can relate to the enormously inflated ego (meglomania???)

Closer to the truth.

and cowardice.

Absolute 100% incorrect, unless you're talking about his relationship with his mother.

If you'd like supporting evidence, ask Taro to lend you the book I sent him about MacArthur when he was in the hospital.

The man was many things, but if I had to pick a single term to describe him, it'd be "K.Y.". When he proposed nuking the Yalu River, he was channelling Luce from Life magazine.

The most accurate criticism of MacArthur comes from Eisenhower. Truman's complaints were garbage.

[cstaylor]

As for MacArthur... i can't share the lve since i discoverd the character throught his korean madness (he's the guy who wanted to dig trench and fill them with radioactive sludge to prevent enemy troops form coming in right ?)

I think you should stick to posts about cats and recent Soviet history.

[Coligny]

As for MacArthur... i can't share the love since i discoverd the character throught his korean madness (he's the guy who wanted to dig trench and fill them with radioactive sludge to prevent enemy troops form coming in right ?)

I think you should stick to posts about cats and recent Soviet history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_MacArthur#Relief

He was a bit off in the end, no ?

(even though I didn't spend much time there... I was an -extremly mediocre- history student at uni...)

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If you'd like supporting evidence, ask Taro to lend you the book I sent him about MacArthur when he was in the hospital.

The man was many things, but if I had to pick a single term to describe him, it'd be "K.Y.". When he proposed nuking the Yalu River, he was channelling Luce from Life magazine.

The most accurate criticism of MacArthur comes from Eisenhower. Truman's complaints were garbage.

You want me to read a goddamned book??? But I love alternate, revisionist history (I've lived in Japan for decades, remember...), so I look forward to it.

I've got to reiterate...I like MacArthur. I don't know why precisely, but I guess his theatrics and meglomania resonate (I, too, have an insatiable ego and craving for attention with little substance in me to demand such handling!!!) Among my generation of Strayans, he's an almost Messianic figure, perhaps even more so for native Melburnians like myself because he based himself in our city after he ran away from Corregidor. (I learned that he stopped my Japanese lanuage lessons for a few decades <not true, but we were told that he saved us from invasion, though an invasion was never on the cards despite the hundreds of air raids on Oz> and I'm sure this colors my view and harms my objectivity.) Childhood conditioning is fucking cruel.
Agree with Eisenhower's complaints and that Truman's gripes were doddle.

[Yokohammer]

John Dower describes MacArthur as being a bit out of touch in "Embracing Defeat."

Embracing Defeat is a brilliant book, by the way. Essential reading for anyone who's actually trying to figure out what the phuque makes these people tick.

Did I mention that Embracing Defeat is a brilliant book? It's brilliant. Read it.

[cstaylor]

John Dower describes MacArthur as being a bit out of touch in "Embracing Defeat."

Like I said, he was definitely K.Y. Brilliant military strategist, fearless in combat, but absolutely incapable of reading those around him. Surrounded by second-rate military yes-men, he was in a bubble of his own brilliance even before fleeing Corregidor.

Distantly related to both FDR and Churchill BTW.

Personally I think too much is read into his stint as SCAP. For a better view of the man and his foibles, see his WW1 record and compare it to the deplorable actions against the Bonus Army when he was head of the Army under Hoover. His love/hate relationship with Eisenhower was fascinating; unfortunately for the paratroopers and Canadians during D-Day, Ike didn't learn much about military strategy from his old boss.

[cstaylor]

(even though I didn't spend much time there... I was an -extremly mediocre- history student at uni...)

Compared to the hard sciences, history is really a matter of taste; like philosophy, but without the rigorous logic. I don't enjoy television, so I read historical biographies.

[cstaylor]

If you'd like supporting evidence, ask Taro to lend you the book I sent him about MacArthur when he was in the hospital.

You want me to read a goddamned book??? But I love alternate, revisionist history (I've lived in Japan for decades, remember...), so I look forward to it.

Didn't realize Manchester counted as revisionist history.

[Coligny]

(even though I didn't spend much time there... I was an -extremly mediocre- history student at uni...)

Compared to the hard sciences, history is really a matter of taste; like philosophy, but without the rigorous logic. I don't enjoy television, so I read historical biographies.

The first mistake is to compare history with hard science...

I've always seen history not as something teaching you aboot the past.
But the way past event are sold as history tells usually quite a lot aboot today's bias, porpraganda, manipulashiuns and overall stupidity...

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If you'd like supporting evidence, ask Taro to lend you the book I sent him about MacArthur when he was in the hospital.

You want me to read a goddamned book??? But I love alternate, revisionist history (I've lived in Japan for decades, remember...), so I look forward to it.

Didn't realize Manchester counted as revisionist history.

An excellent read...I read it back in the late 1980s and loved it even though I barely remember anything about it now.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

John Dower describes MacArthur as being a bit out of touch in "Embracing Defeat."

Embracing Defeat is a brilliant book, by the way. Essential reading for anyone who's actually trying to figure out what the phuque makes these people tick.

Did I mention that Embracing Defeat is a brilliant book? It's brilliant. Read it.

Agreed!

[cstaylor]

I've always seen history not as something teaching you aboot the past.
But the way past event are sold as history tells usually quite a lot aboot today's bias, porpraganda, manipulashiuns and overall stupidity...

Most of the hard sciences have the same criteria. Remember all of the baloney about "junk" DNA? Oops, looks like they were wrong. Getting all of your history from a single viewpoint has the same outcome.

For example, what do you know about the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962? If your only source of information was Wikipedia, you would have probably held the same Kennedy-biased view presented in the hagiographic film, "13 Days", until a few months ago after I referred maintainers to read "One Minute to Midnight".

[Coligny]

I've always seen history not as something teaching you aboot the past.
But the way past event are sold as history tells usually quite a lot aboot today's bias, porpraganda, manipulashiuns and overall stupidity...

Most of the hard sciences have the same criteria. Remember all of the baloney about "junk" DNA? Oops, looks like they were wrong. Getting all of your history from a single viewpoint has the same outcome.

I don't put biology or medecine (and not really geology either) as hard science since they are work in progress. For which you do with whatever you know and hope for the best... (which give creationnist a boner...)

Physics, chemistry and above all math... that would be all...

The cuban missile crisis is not much history... usual military information classification policy is around 50 years... So we'd be 2 years away from even knowing if we got all the information...
For me, history stop more or less with the end of the victorian era (and I'm being generous). And most of mah historian friends don't touch anything newer than the Byzantine empires (since it's their field of research anyway...)...

[cstaylor]

Physics, chemistry and above all math... that would be all...

Math is an abstraction defined with its own language, so it's not a fair comparison.

Chemistry is physics without the difficult math, but even physics has had a rough time of it. Ever read about that silly theory of the Ether?

The cuban missile crisis is not much history... usual military information classification policy is around 50 years... So we'd be 2 years away from even knowing if we got all the information...

Considering how much information is in-flight during any of these world events, something 50 years ago really is ancient history. The same characters keep appearing in different costume: Pancho Villa, Che Guevara, Osama Bin Laden.

For me, history stop more or less with the end of the victorian era (and I'm being generous). And most of mah historian friends don't touch anything newer than the Byzantine empires (since it's their field of research anyway...)...

I don't remember reading how the world could be obliterated by mankind during the Byzantine period.

History up until the 20th century is a series of accidents amid poor sanitation. At least in these wonderfully modern times we've got the sanitation problem mostly licked.

[Coligny]

History up until the 20th century is a series of accidents amid poor sanitation. At least in these wonderfully modern times we've got the sanitation problem mostly licked.

And history of the 20th century is sugar coated bullshit... (and usually called goepolitic anyway)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSF_Explorer

Still remember having the tales of this ship in my junior highschool geology books... Never seen it switch to the cold war section of the history manuals though...