'Japanese only' -- except for the players and coach

[Taro Toporific]

Urawa Reds had this hung over their supporter entrance at their stadium on the 8th.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/fans- ... r-stadium/
(The Red's coach is Serbian and the team has alien players.)

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Details:
http://derorinkuma.com/jleague-news/52662
http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/soccer/jleag ... T00257.htm

[matsuki]

Well......at least they had the sense to write it in gaijin-go instead of Kanji?

[Yokohammer]

Sportsmanship at its finest.

Just reading through some of the comments in the media about this, and the vast majority of Japanese seem to think it's discriminatory and insulting.

The Urawa Reds are officially "looking into it" (translation: trying to come up with a plausible excuse).

[Coligny]

The Urawa Reds are officially "looking into it" (translation: trying to come up with a plausible excuse).

Let me help them:

"Our supporters are idiots"

[Mike Oxlong]

The Urawa Reds are officially "looking into it" (translation: trying to come up with a plausible excuse).

Let me help them:

"Our supporters are idiots"

Intelligent design?

[Coligny]

They sure seems to breed pretty well ...
Religious nutcase 1 - Darwin 0

[matsuki]

Sportsmanship at its finest.

Just reading through some of the comments in the media about this, and the vast majority of Japanese seem to think it's discriminatory and insulting.

The Urawa Reds are officially "looking into it" (translation: trying to come up with a plausible excuse).

Note: the shit has a fucking security cam in front of it..."we don't know who did it" is not gonna fly...

Japanese or FG, why does nobody rip shit like that down? I'd probably light it on fire if I had a lighter with me.

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[kurogane]

Sort of pathetically obvious (Japanese Persons!!!!!!! ), but that last one is hardly offensive. Stupid maybe, and the right hand one looks like it was drawn by an untalented 6 year old, but "meh" on the Debuto Scale of Laughably Paranoid Interracial Sensitivity (the DSLPIS).

That one at the entrance to the stands is just begging for it, though.

BTW, the cosmic irony of any American (ever) complaining about jingoistic cheerleading is not lost on your neighbours and friends (and yes, I know you're not a flag waver yourself)


Any Brits getting a laugh at how adorably tame Japanese Footy Hooligans are?

[Yokohammer]

The naval flag in the middle raises a question or two. It's not the war flag (the sun is in the middle in that one), but why show a military flag at a soccer game?

[kurogane]

The naval flag in the middle raises a question or two. It's not the war flag (the sun is in the middle in that one), but why show a military flag at a soccer game?

Yes. A good point.

I know you meant it rhetorically, but I will suggest the answer is as Coligny suggested above:

because Darwin lost this round.

BTW, never realised that flag shown and the old wartime standard were different. I used to raise an eyebrow driving past naval dockages in north Kyoto (Tsuruga, I thinks). Cool factoid.

Isn't Urawa a Kanto hillbilly sheethole???? Sounds about par for that sort of town.

[matsuki]

Sort of pathetically obvious (Japanese Persons!!!!!!! ), but that last one is hardly offensive. Stupid maybe, and the right hand one looks like it was drawn by an untalented 6 year old, but "meh" on the Debuto Scale of Laughably Paranoid Interracial Sensitivity (the DSLPIS).

That one at the entrance to the stands is just begging for it, though.

My thoughts exactly...though I think the poster was indicating they were put up by the same people. (which is why I posted it)

BTW, the cosmic irony of any American (ever) complaining about jingoistic cheerleading is not lost on your neighbours and friends (and yes, I know you're not a flag waver yourself)

Not a flag waver but as you pointed out in your first comments, the offensiveness is the "racial" aspect. (though I'm sure plenty of the idiots that put that stuff up believe them to be one and the same)

Also, keep in mind there are plenty of Americans, like one side of my family, who are neither immigrants, flag wavers, nor did they have any say in the country that swallered them up Don't see much irony there...

[kurogane]

Not a flag waver but as you pointed out in your first comments, the offensiveness is the "racial" aspect. (though I'm sure plenty of the idiots that put that stuff up believe them to be one and the same)

Yes, a better point, that. Looking at that crap, One could rightly think that Japan is simply awash in the unwashed, if one didn't know better. Which does raise the question: they put up a sign to keep out the 23 foreigners that go to Urawa games????

Also, keep in mind there are plenty of Americans, like one side of my family, who are neither immigrants, flag wavers, nor did they have any say in the country that swallered them up Don't see much irony there...

Well, the irony is that The States is infamous for just the same sort of flagwaving, but minus the weird Race Thing, as you rightly pointed out. I find that and the recent rise of it here in Canada appalling, as you seem to.

And do give my sympathies to those relatives in that sad chapter of Gringo Imperialism, continuing as it is in places like Arizona. And say thanks for the delicious food. The Taco might well be the perfect food. Or are they even more indigenous than that?

[matsuki]

Not a flag waver but as you pointed out in your first comments, the offensiveness is the "racial" aspect. (though I'm sure plenty of the idiots that put that stuff up believe them to be one and the same)

Yes, a better point, that. Looking at that crap, One could rightly think that Japan is simply awash in the unwashed, if one didn't know better. Which does raise the question: they put up a sign to keep out the 23 foreigners that go to Urawa games????

Indeed...that idiots posted that shit isn't too surprising, that it gets tolerated is the real disappointment. Besides the average Shuhei Tanaka fan, there are all those stadium staff there that should have pulled it down.

Also, keep in mind there are plenty of Americans, like one side of my family, who are neither immigrants, flag wavers, nor did they have any say in the country that swallered them up Don't see much irony there...

Well, the irony is that The States is infamous for just the same sort of flagwaving, but minus the weird Race Thing, as you rightly pointed out. I find that and the recent rise of it here in Canada appalling, as you seem to.

And do give my sympathies to those relatives in that sad chapter of Gringo Imperialism, continuing as it is in places like Arizona. And say thanks for the delicious food. The Taco might well be the perfect food. Or are they even more indigenous than that?

I'm of the same sentiment as you, just wanted to point out that not every American was even willingly made American. (yeah, I'm talking about indigenous peoples)

[kurogane]

Indeed...that idiots posted that shit isn't too surprising, that it gets tolerated is the real disappointment. Besides the average Shuhei Tanaka fan, there are all those stadium staff there that should have pulled it down.

As usual, agreed, but I would not be so hard on the stadium staff or even other supporters that thought it wrong. Keeping in mind the mentality and mental maturity of anybody that would hang that sort of crap, you really would have to gird your loins to stand for the ensuing torrent of emospastic abuse and impotent Honest Wanking Class trash level whining about Censorship!!! and how an honest Japanese can't get a break no more due to this massive influx of cheap wage foreigners (yes, yes......... )

Have you ever watched the B&W Van right wing emo-moebas at Ueno? Or better yet had a go at them? They almost break into tears when the police move in on them, gnashing their teeth in impotent rage at the injustice of the Global Zainichi Conspiracy and its attack on their basic democratic rights . I used to enjoy a watch and a go back in the day, but I'm far too lazy to do it anymore. I might have been tempted to rip that sign down and run for another section, mind. Being naughty for the right reasons is very invigorating.

Anyways, nice points, well made, .................

[matsuki]

LOL, would be some crazy reactions if they noticed it being pulled but don't the stadiums/games have rules regarding what they do and don't allow to be posted there? Don't they have those safety patrol in fake police uniforms everywhere?

[Dreamy_Peach]

Maybe they were insisting that people who enter that area should only speak Japanese. As in, Japanese [speaking] only.

I saw Man Utd. play at Urawa. I hope they won't repeat it if the stands are full of racist scumbags.

[kurogane]

LOL, would be some crazy reactions if they noticed it being pulled but don't the stadiums/games have rules regarding what they do and don't allow to be posted there? Don't they have those safety patrol in fake police uniforms everywhere?

Yes there would, and Yes, they probably do, and Yes, those are the guys I mean who would probably not like it but would still just say F' It given the hysterics it would cause. Those old security dudes can be really nice, thoroughly decent people, and they would just as often just shake their heads and suck some tooth. And apologise to you or me. I think you know what I mean: we're talking about trash level sewer dwellers that scream about their constitutional rights whenever they get called out for being douchey. I would probably Go Native and ignore them too. It's often the better way.

Dreamy Peach,

Maybe, but I doubt it. Anybody thick enough to even think like that probably already assumes that Japanese means a people and a language that only those people speak. We are talking about racist scumbags after all.

[matsuki]

I keep forgetting how fail this place is at enforcing simple preventative measures. (because the majority just shoganais away the eventual failures with some bows, and apology, and some sort of meaningless gesture or unnecessary, overreaction type measures)

[kurogane]

I keep forgetting how fail this place is at enforcing simple preventative measures. (because the majority just shoganais away the eventual failures with some bows, and apology, and some sort of meaningless gesture or unnecessary, overreaction type measures)

Yup. There really is an emotionally incontinent minority that seems to get away with a lot simply because the well adjusted people (as locally defined, of course) simply can't be bothered to lower themselves to that level. And they know fully well that their resigned usually silent contempt actually hits harder than the punch to the head you and I might think is deserved. It's a Face Thing. OTOH, the pedantry of the New Conformity back here in NA is getting very tiresome. Most public pedantry is just as douchey as most misbehaviour, after all, it's just more acceptable to the Meddle Class. I admit I have some rather rosy views of The Japanese Way, and while it isn't My Way, it's got a certain aesthetic to it.

Like I said, and even including your observation there, I can't be too hard on those nice little old guys that just shake their head and suck their teeth. They often make very nice stand up sake bar drinking buddies.

[Yokohammer]

The outcome ...

J. League punishes Urawa for discriminatory banner

The J. League on Thursday ordered Urawa Reds to play their next home game behind closed doors as punishment for a discriminatory banner that appeared at a match last weekend.

Urawa’s game against Shimizu S-Pulse on March 23 will be played at an empty Saitama Stadium after the league ruled that a banner bearing the words “Japanese Only,” written in English and hung over an entrance to the stands during Reds’ home game against Sagan Tosu last Saturday, could be interpreted as discriminatory regardless of its intent. The banner was not removed until after the game.

... small snip ...

“There are various interpretations of what constitutes discrimination, but the important thing is not the intention but the way it is perceived by the victim,” said J. League chairman Mitsuru Murai. “With that in mind, this case can be considered nothing other than discrimination.

“The exposure this incident has had over the past few days has reverberated around the country and overseas and has done untold damage to the J. League’s image.”

... snip-erooney ...

All members of the supporters’ group responsible for Saturday’s banner have been banned indefinitely from attending Urawa’s matches.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I keep forgetting how fail this place is at enforcing simple preventative measures. (because the majority just shoganais away the eventual failures with some bows, and apology, and some sort of meaningless gesture or unnecessary, overreaction type measures)

My guess is that the signs didn't register with most people who walked by them and that when they did register most people didn't really understand what they meant.

[Yokohammer]

And ... there was a fairly long segment on this on News Watch just a few minutes ago.

I was noting a distinct lack of coverage in the TV news, but it came out full force this evening. Strong condemnation all around. Discrimination is unacceptable, and all that.

So a message has been sent. Very good. In a way we owe the fuggwits who put the banner up some thanks for that.

[Russell]

So a message has been sent. Very good. In a way we owe the fuggwits who put the banner up some thanks for that.

And Debito..., don't forget Debito...

[Taro Toporific]

...So a message has been sent. Very good. In a way we owe the fuggwits who put the banner up some thanks for that.

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横浜国際で人種差別反対横断幕
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http://www.nikkansports.com/soccer/news ... 69615.html
　横浜国際で行われたＡＣＬでは、ハーフタイムに横浜のゴール裏に、人種差別に反対する横断幕が掲げられた。「Ｓｈｏｗ　Ｒａｃｉｓｍ　ｔｈｅ　Ｒｅｄ　Ｃａｒｄ」と書かれていた。「人種差別にレッドカードを」と訳すことができる。８日のＪリーグ浦和－鳥栖戦で一部浦和サポーターが掲出した差別的ともとれる横断幕への反応とみられる。

　［2014年3月13日13時35分　紙面から］

[Yokohammer]

...So a message has been sent. Very good. In a way we owe the fuggwits who put the banner up some thanks for that.

sc-yg140313marinos-ns-big.jpg

横浜国際で人種差別反対横断幕
記事を印刷する
http://www.nikkansports.com/soccer/news ... 69615.html
　横浜国際で行われたＡＣＬでは、ハーフタイムに横浜のゴール裏に、人種差別に反対する横断幕が掲げられた。「Ｓｈｏｗ　Ｒａｃｉｓｍ　ｔｈｅ　Ｒｅｄ　Ｃａｒｄ」と書かれていた。「人種差別にレッドカードを」と訳すことができる。８日のＪリーグ浦和－鳥栖戦で一部浦和サポーターが掲出した差別的ともとれる横断幕への反応とみられる。

　［2014年3月13日13時35分　紙面から］

Yep.

There was another one that said "Say NO to Racism!" at a game in Gifu (I think).

The message is definitely getting across.

[matsuki]

Hahahaha, for once there is a reaction with some promise.

...wonder if the names of the fuggers responsible will get leaked. They obviously know who they are if they have banned each individual.

[kurogane]

My guess is that the signs didn't register with most people who walked by them and that when they did register most people didn't really understand what they meant.

I totally agree with this. I would suggest that many to most probably didn't even notice it at all (as visual static), and so we have a perfect tempest in a teacup, which makes this very vocal response to rather trivial BS all the more heartwarming. And to stick with the Japanese social aesthetics issue, if I might, I find what seems to be a relative lack of didactic pedantry refreshingly unpresumptuous (No "Ignorance is the Problem, We Need to Educate Them" blah blaah blah ): the sign was hung by adults who should have known better, and they were very vocally and visibly upbraided for it by other adults that plainly do. Great smackdown. I'm tearing up here.

They got it right this time. Loverly.

[Dreamy_Peach]

The outcome ...

J. League punishes Urawa for discriminatory banner

The J. League on Thursday ordered Urawa Reds to play their next home game behind closed doors as punishment for a discriminatory banner that appeared at a match last weekend.
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This is a surprisingly decisive response. After many years here I would have expected some kind of fudge, or at least some kind of kick into the long grass via an interminable review.

[Mike Oxlong]

The outcome ...

J. League punishes Urawa for discriminatory banner

The J. League on Thursday ordered Urawa Reds to play their next home game behind closed doors as punishment for a discriminatory banner that appeared at a match last weekend.
.

This is a surprisingly decisive response. After many years here I would have expected some kind of fudge, or at least some kind of kick into the long grass via an interminable review.

The Olympics are coming in six short years. People be watching.

[Wage Slave]

The outcome ...

J. League punishes Urawa for discriminatory banner

The J. League on Thursday ordered Urawa Reds to play their next home game behind closed doors as punishment for a discriminatory banner that appeared at a match last weekend.
.

This is a surprisingly decisive response. After many years here I would have expected some kind of fudge, or at least some kind of kick into the long grass via an interminable review.

As welcome as it is, I can't help feeling that it was because it was at a football game. If it had been Sumo, then I doubt if there would even have been an interminable review. A simple fudge and statements like "It is natural for Japanese to feel ..." would have more than sufficed.