2020 Japan Olympics

[matsuki]

I like the idea behind that one but seems like waaaaay too complicated for something of that size and I foresee all kinds of unique maintenance issues with shit like Tree roots growing into the roof supporting them. (not to mention public access to something like that is bound to become a popular suicide spot)

That being said, some of the proposed heating and such ideas could definitely be used on any designs to make them more green...but not so sure it'll happen.

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http://tokyo2020olympics.wix.com/japan

[matsuki]

[IparryU]

need to print screen this before it goes!

[matsuki]

Still wondering how they plan to handle the lack of trash cans during the Olympics...judging by Shibuya after Halloween, Mt. Fuji may become Japan's second highest mountain after the Olympics.

[IparryU]

http://www.japantoday.com/category/spor ... ts-in-2020

Fukushima wants to host Olympic events in 2020
Fukushima is keen to show it has fully recovered from the 2011 nuclear disaster by hosting some events for the 2020 summer Olympics in Tokyo.

The governor of the northeastern prefecture held talks with his Tokyo counterpart on Tuesday to discuss the matter.

“We need to set a goal so that we can show how much Fukushima has recovered,” Masao Uchibori was quoted as saying by Kyodo News on Tuesday.

Great idea... but first move the TEPCO HQ, Tokyo government offices and the Emperor's Palace to Fuckedshima first.

If they do that... then there might be a chance that people/teams will show up to compete.

[matsuki]

fully recovered

[Russell]

I know an ideal location somewhere along their coast line...

[kurogane]

Wow. This is getting surreal. Events in Fukushima!!???? Does anybody else get the feeling that far too many people think of the newkyaler accident as a sort of really big sewage spill???? People back home were at wit's end trying not to laugh when they saw the cleanup workers walking around an atomic dead zone in paper bags, duct tape and children's swimming goggles.

[Yokohammer]

We've gone over this before, ad nauseum, with proofs, but just to jog the collective memory: most of Fukushima is perfectly safe. No more dangerous than being in Tokyo.


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[IparryU]

most of Fukushima is perfectly safe. No more dangerous than being in Tokyo.

prove that to the rest of the world.

[Yokohammer]

most of Fukushima is perfectly safe. No more dangerous than being in Tokyo.

prove that to the rest of the world.

Too fucking exhausted just trying to convince people here on FG.


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[kurogane]

What IPU said. That was my point. A fair point there, Yoko. My bad for not clarifying that my point was about broader perceptions. Besides, they've done an absolutely shit job of it so far. They deserve it.

Still, an absolutely ludicrous idea only that ilk could dream up. Fukushima as a destination is mostly dead for at least a generation. I gave up on my cleanup volunteer plans simply because they were so pissy when I asked for reliable data on the situation at the cleanup sites. This idea that everybody needs to knuckle down and swallow what they're told in a spirit of glorious abnegation is going to bite them in the buttocks.

[Yokohammer]

What IPU said. That was my point. A fair point there, Yoko. My bad for not clarifying that my point was about broader perceptions. Besides, they've done an absolutely shit job of it so far. They deserve it.

Still, an absolutely ludicrous idea only that ilk could dream up. Fukushima as a destination is mostly dead for at least a generation. I gave up on my cleanup volunteer plans simply because they were so pissy when I asked for reliable data on the situation at the cleanup sites. This idea that everybody needs to knuckle down and swallow what they're told in a spirit of glorious abnegation is going to bite them in the buttocks.

If they can work it so that an event or two is held in Fukushima, that would go a long way toward changing those broader perceptions. I think that's the point, and I think it's a great idea for that reason. That broader perception is unnecessarily causing a great deal of hardship and suffering, so the sooner it is corrected the better.


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[Samurai_Jerk]

What IPU said. That was my point. A fair point there, Yoko. My bad for not clarifying that my point was about broader perceptions. Besides, they've done an absolutely shit job of it so far. They deserve it.

Still, an absolutely ludicrous idea only that ilk could dream up. Fukushima as a destination is mostly dead for at least a generation. I gave up on my cleanup volunteer plans simply because they were so pissy when I asked for reliable data on the situation at the cleanup sites. This idea that everybody needs to knuckle down and swallow what they're told in a spirit of glorious abnegation is going to bite them in the buttocks.

If they can work it so that an event or two is held in Fukushima, that would go a long way toward changing those broader perceptions. I think that's the point, and I think it's a great idea for that reason. That broader perception is unnecessarily causing a great deal of hardship and suffering, so the sooner it is corrected the better.


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The problem is that if they try and some teams refuse to go, it'll be a PR disaster and actually make things worse. It's going to take at least a generation for nuclear hypochondriacs to get over it.

[IparryU]

most of Fukushima is perfectly safe. No more dangerous than being in Tokyo.

prove that to the rest of the world.

Too fucking exhausted just trying to convince people here on FG.


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I aint said nothing about people here on FG... quite simply i said, "prove that to the rest of the world.".

Which is a fucking fair point considering the clusterfuck of news that was around the world making fuckedshima out to be something of an apocalypse.

Even if Japan did have proper stats and what not about the region, this would mean fuck all unless they let a 3rd party run all their tests and compare against Japan's numbers.

Not trying to knock on you or what you said, just making it clear that the rest of the world knows fuck all about the situation and will go off their own perceptions on what happened and how things are.

The problem is that if they try and some teams refuse to go, it'll be a PR disaster and actually make things worse. It's going to take at least a generation for nuclear hypochondriacs to get over it.

More so, how many sponsors will pull their ads so they aren't affiliated with the whole PR mess?

[kurogane]

If they can work it so that an event or two is held in Fukushima, that would go a long way toward changing those broader perceptions. I think that's the point, and I think it's a great idea for that reason. That broader perception is unnecessarily causing a great deal of hardship and suffering, so the sooner it is corrected the better.

A nice sentiment, but you make it sound like an act of charity. This is the Olympics. It's about sports, not charity. Nobody should be forced by circumstances to go to a place where they reasonably believe a health threat exists. All levels of officaldumb have screwed the pooch so badly that the whole region will have to bear the costs for sometime. I was appalled at the amatuerish presumption of the weepy charity class types running the volunteer cleanup operations, never mind the official incompetence that fanned the flames of fear and paranoia. Sadly, the people of the region have to bear most of the cost of their comprehensive failure, but that is not a problem that deserves compulsory participation.

Keep in mind that most paranoid types exaggerate the dangers of radioactivity in an almost exact reversal of the Japanese nonchalance about it. The place is a Chernobyl for most.

[wagyl]

This is the Olympics. It's about sports

Is this sarcasm again, or Koolaid?

Olympics is not about sports. it is about entertainment, and two and a half weeks of television programming already decided for the broadcaster who ponies up the fees. Sometimes there is even room for some politics to be crammed in. If there is a gap left over for sport, that is just dumb luck.

I mean, you can't tell me a stunt Queen jumped out of a helicopter or the Spice Girls lipsynced for sport.

[IparryU]

This is the Olympics. It's about sports

Olympics is not about sports. it is about money...

FTFY

[matsuki]

We've gone over this before, ad nauseum, with proofs, but just to jog the collective memory: most of Fukushima is perfectly safe. No more dangerous than being in Tokyo.

Yoko, not trying to say all of Fukushima-ken is a wasteland, I'm on board with you....but would you call Fukushima "fully recovered" in any sense?

BTW, has anyone made the case to change the prefecture name or rename the Power plant to "Futaba Nuclear Power Station" or something like that?
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[kurogane]

This is the Olympics. It's about sports

Is this sarcasm again, or Koolaid? Olympics is not about sports. .

Yeah, I thought I might be pushing it there. My point was to counter this poisonous charitable mindset that seems to pervade almost any discussion of people facing hardship. We need to wage a war on the new opiate of the masses, not succumb to its anaesthesic charms. The Fukushima region is dead to much of the world and its rehabilitation should not be the result of naked domestic political concerns foisted on an international event. Remembering how much hoopla there was at the Delhi Belly Games a few years back, Samurai Jerk's point about a boycott is very sharp. Moreover, even allowing the Olympics are a disgrace in every way except for the actual endeavours of the participants, no participant should be forced by such nakedly slavish political pandering to attend a venue they reasonably perceive as dangerous. Just because the Japanese take too much crap for stuff they don't really deserve that much of (i.e. The War) doesn't mean they should be allowed to get away with the sort of crap they don't take enough crap for, like their organisational incompetence and the sort of offical skullduggery that would award venues and events to the 21st century Chernobyl.

I mean, you can't tell me a stunt Queen jumped out of a helicopter or the Spice Girls lipsynced for sport.

I can't tell you either of them did either of that but it might make for a fun Youtube break. I assume that was at the London thingy, yes!?

PS You have watched an Olympic Opening Ceremonies!!?????????????????

[Yokohammer]

The problem is that if they try and some teams refuse to go, it'll be a PR disaster and actually make things worse. It's going to take at least a generation for nuclear hypochondriacs to get over it.

This is a very fair point, but I don't think it's a deal breaker either. If a couple of events were slated for Fukushima I'm pretty sure there would be serious efforts to clear the air (of course I don't mean physically), with experts from around the globe taking part. That alone would almost be worthwhile. They sold Tokyo, with a little more effort they could probably sell Fukushima as well.

A nice sentiment, but you make it sound like an act of charity.

It has absolutely nothing to do with charity. It's much more a matter of governmental duty. It is the central government's duty to support and promote normalisation of the Tohoku area as much as and as rapidly as possible. They are exhibiting a decided lack of interest and control thus far. We've seen rebuilding budget diverted to build a contact lens factory down south, roads in Okinawa, to provide security for a whaling mission, and innumerable other forms of embezzlement. All the festivities surrounding the 2020 olympics are generally not being received very well up here. You also might have noticed that the "T" in "TEPCO" stands for "Tokyo" and not "Tohoku."

I aint said nothing about people here on FG... quite simply i said, "prove that to the rest of the world."

And I wasn't specifically saying "you," but when comments like that come up I feel obligated to raise my hand and, once again, point out how silly all the hysteria still is.

Yoko, not trying to say all of Fukushima-ken is a wasteland, I'm on board with you....but would you call Fukushima "fully recovered" in any sense?

Again, most of Fukushima was never damaged, physically. There is a limited area around the nuke plant that is a no-go zone, but the main reason for the slow recovery of people's lives and livelihoods is psychological. Not the psychology of the people of Fukushima, but the psychology of people who believe they are safe right up to the point that they step across the border into Fukushima where suddenly they face a thousandfold risk of growing self-aware tumors out of every orifice, or something, conveniently forgetting that radiation from the Fukushima meltdown has been detected in US soil and, in fact, all around the globe.

[matsuki]

Yoko, not trying to say all of Fukushima-ken is a wasteland, I'm on board with you....but would you call Fukushima "fully recovered" in any sense?

Again, most of Fukushima was never damaged, physically. There is a limited area around the nuke plant that is a no-go zone, but the main reason for the slow recovery of people's lives and livelihoods is psychological. Not the psychology of the people of Fukushima, but the psychology of people who believe they are safe right up to the point that they step across the border into Fukushima where suddenly they face a thousandfold risk of growing self-aware tumors out of every orifice, or something, conveniently forgetting that radiation from the Fukushima meltdown has been detected in US soil and, in fact, all around the globe.

Yeah, hence calling it "fully recovered" is insane. The nuclear shit is limited and the mental fallout is still glowing and will probably not stop for generations...

If it were up to me, I'd change the borders/rename the unaffected areas. You think we'd still be calling it "Tokyo Disneyland" if there was some sort or nuclear accident in Maihama?

[Russell]

Hammer, it is a pipe dream to believe that the Olympics in 2020 will support Tohoku as a whole and Fukushima in particular. It just takes resources away from those areas, unfortunately. That is the reason why I oppose this event.

[Coligny]

Reverse crying wolf effect. Saying all was fine when it was not, now that it's mostly fine, don't be too surprised if the rest of the planet goes "well, thanks for the info, but fuck you"

[Yokohammer]

Hammer, it is a pipe dream to believe that the Olympics in 2020 will support Tohoku as a whole and Fukushima in particular. It just takes resources away from those areas, unfortunately. That is the reason why I oppose this event.

Russel, I'm not that deluded. But the fact that something is unlikely is no reason to keep my mouth shut and not express support for ideas I agree with. For the sake of the nation, holding an olympic event or two in Fukushima would be a really good idea. But who in power with an ostensible duty to serve the interests of the nation would actually consider the needs of a crippled region over their own vested interests? Now there's a question I do not have an answer for.

[Russell]

Hammer, it is a pipe dream to believe that the Olympics in 2020 will support Tohoku as a whole and Fukushima in particular. It just takes resources away from those areas, unfortunately. That is the reason why I oppose this event.

Russel, I'm not that deluded. But the fact that something is unlikely is no reason to keep my mouth shut and not express support for ideas I agree with. For the sake of the nation, holding an olympic event or two in Fukushima would be a really good idea. But who in power with an ostensible duty to serve the interests of the nation would actually consider the needs of a crippled region over their own vested interests? Now there's a question I do not have an answer for.

Yes, that is a good question.

A decade ago or so, I read a quote from a Japanese politician (I seem to remember LDP) who said that his job is 99% for himself and 1% for the nation. I cannot remember the details, but maybe Wagyl can dig that one up?

[kurogane]

Just to second Russell's sentiments, yes to the NO! to the 2020s. Whadda shameless waste of resources and effort. BUT, holding any events in a region that removed from Tokyo would make a mockery of the chosen location and the bid itself. There seems to be a soccer game or games in Miyagi, wherever that is, but other than that the very idea is outside the purview of the bid itself. Not to mention that nobody should be forced by such nakedly political maneuvering to attend an event they (wrongly) believe is not safe. Sadly, it's a bait and switch shell game. A desire to hold the Olympic Games is unworthy of anybody from a developed nation, even allowing for the Asian Thing where they simply love that BS. Leave that sort of froof for the flag waving middle rankers. Like London..........

Russell,

I'll go look for the 99%er politician. One almost wants to give him credit for his honesty.

ＥＤＩＴ＊　ｎｏｔｈｉｎｇ　ｓｏ　ｆａｒ. Here's what I ran: 政治家　私の仕事は９９％　１％

[Salty]

... I'll go look for the 99%er politician. One almost wants to give him credit for his honesty.

But he was obviously lying... he was 99.999% for himself, and only 0.001% for the public.

[kurogane]

Well spotted. Sometimes I can be sooooooooooooooooo naive